Thats actual really interesting, do you know of any articles/websites/things that have more information? Ive always felt that something was off with parts of relativity and quantum physics, especially the speed limit. I just don't know enough about physics to know if im just misunderstanding or if there is an actual probem. My main concern has always been that it doesn't seem very... logical. There is some assumption, or some missuse of logic that i think is wrong. and like Zeno's (greek philosopher who provided a proof of how movement is impossible) theory in philosophy, it will take a long time before we figure out what is wrong with current advanced physics.Barda236 said:
How might intergalactic travel be accomplished?
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Carbonite storage.... cryo storage and shift changes every few months... first we'd have to perfect energy sources that can last years, sensors beyond visual so as not to run into micro-meteor showers and get pwned in vacuum, many other tech's are needed prior to deep space travel
beyond the propulsion/spatial movement area. Air scrubbers/recyclers, food storage or mini-farms (BIG SHIPS?)...
beyond the propulsion/spatial movement area. Air scrubbers/recyclers, food storage or mini-farms (BIG SHIPS?)...
Ever seen Dune? I say "seen" because the books don't really go into it. But yeah, you just fold space and use mental stimulants to help you navigate.
My fingers are crossed that somehow the LHC will find a way to access FTL travel. It's possible, I mean, they're discovering new stuff with that thing already, and not only that they also managed to create particles that exist at FTL speeds.
One can only hope.
One can only hope.
Well, if theoretical wormhole travel and warp-drives (theoretically possible. and I assume you mean something like warp drives when you say "hyperspace") are out, then the only other option left is conventional methods of travel.
Seeing that even our most theoretical method of sub-light travel would still fall short of light-speed, it would literally take billions upon billions of years to traverse the distances needed to get to other galaxies. And that's just within our local group.
Truth is, unless we can find a way to travel significantly faster than the speed of light, intergalactic travel will not only be unfeasible but virtually impossible. It's more likely that by the time you could reach another galaxy, it would have moved out far beyond your reach. (universal expansion, and all that)
In fact, without faster-than-light travel, it's not likely we'll ever go beyond our own solar system.
Space is just too damn big.
Seeing that even our most theoretical method of sub-light travel would still fall short of light-speed, it would literally take billions upon billions of years to traverse the distances needed to get to other galaxies. And that's just within our local group.
Truth is, unless we can find a way to travel significantly faster than the speed of light, intergalactic travel will not only be unfeasible but virtually impossible. It's more likely that by the time you could reach another galaxy, it would have moved out far beyond your reach. (universal expansion, and all that)
In fact, without faster-than-light travel, it's not likely we'll ever go beyond our own solar system.
Space is just too damn big.
Actually, they didn't. From what I've heard, it was a fluke. An error in timing and/or measurement.TakeyB0y2 said:
It's a shame really. But at the same time, it means that Einstein is still right.
Would this be in regards to Super-string / M-theory? Specifically, concepts like Calabi Yau manifolds? The idea that beyond the usual four dimensions (height, width, depth, and time) there exists tiny, folded up pockets of extra-dimensional space.Barda236 said:
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabi%E2%80%93Yau_manifold[/link]
It's not a matter of nothing being able to go faster than light-speed, it's a matter of nothing other than light being able to accelerate to or beyond that speed. The amount of energy required to accelerate a mass to those speeds eventually spirals out to infinity. It's just not mathematically possible.Ledan said:
Which is where the concepts of wormholes and warp-drives come into play. They allow an object to go faster than light, without actually having to accelerate to that speed. (by shortening the actual distance they travel between two points in space-time)
If we already knew ways to effectively travel space, we'd be doing it. All we can do at this time is speculate, and frankly where we go in the black holes and hyperspace discussion will probably be WAY more fantastical and complicated than whatever we come up with in 10, 15, 20 or however many years it takes us to make the break through.
It will probably be mind-bogglingly mundane.
It will probably be mind-bogglingly mundane.
It won't. We've done almost as much as we can do, so long as we're still a planet full of countries. We need to be a planet of one race, with all resources counted collectively to do anything more.
We're making progress in areas like cellular-scale computing and robotics, but no single country has the money or resources to do what is necessary to accomplish interstellar travel. The governments of these (all of our) countries won't consider unifying because they're too busy with everything that terrestrial political and cultural pissantry entails.
We're making progress in areas like cellular-scale computing and robotics, but no single country has the money or resources to do what is necessary to accomplish interstellar travel. The governments of these (all of our) countries won't consider unifying because they're too busy with everything that terrestrial political and cultural pissantry entails.
an actual, factual Scientist submitted a proposition outlining a "Warp Drive" like system. one half Mass Effect: Create a "Low Pressure" area in front of your death trap and the "High Pressure" behind accelerates your Death Trap.
"Why," you may ask, "are you using the term 'Death Trap'? a good question which i am about to answer.
the biggest problem with this technique is the estimated Several Million Degree Temperature with in this warped area of reality...
"Why," you may ask, "are you using the term 'Death Trap'? a good question which i am about to answer.
the biggest problem with this technique is the estimated Several Million Degree Temperature with in this warped area of reality...
Well, no, its not truly "limitless energy". The idea is more or less, "large amounts of energy for little cost".Ledan said:Not sure if joking but.... you do know there is no such thing as free energy? Or limitless energy? And if we had that, there wouldn't be any other problems in the world. Matter is "stored" energy. With limitless energy comes... magic. You could make atoms, make food, makes suns, make planets, make universes.....kouriichi said:Ok, its very simple. See, we first have to discover free energy. Clean burning, low cost infinite energy. Thats our biggest hurdle at the moment.
After that, space travel becomes far easier. See, because the object in space is completely weightless, so once you get your initial momentum going, space travel becomes far cheaper. So you dont have to fund then entire trip with energy, but reaching the proper speed is the most expensive part.
Then, you plot the course ahead of time, getting 100+ years of information ahead of time. Steering at that speed is impossible, and your biggest risk isnt aging to death, but hitting something, or getting hit by something. So you have to computer do all the controlling. More plotting can be done along the way, with the ample amount of time you'll have. Once you have all the information and space charts ready, your nearly there!
Now the ship itself will have to be rather large. Because of the infinite energy though, creating, producing, and maintaining things will be much simpler. Growing crops will be far easier, because of the ample space you can have ((no pun intended)) and the unlimited amounts of proper lighting and clean water. Food wont truly be a problem, because you can plant the crops in a rotating cycle, meaning every month you'll harvest one of the crops, for sustainable food.
While you cant get all the vitamins and nutrients you need to survive long trips from just plants, the rest you can tightly pack into bullion cubes, to be melted and mixed into water. Fiber and such are easy to keep in space, because of vacuum packing. Literally putting it into an area open to space, keeping it frozen in time.
While traveling lightyears will still take a generation or two, possibly more depending on speed constraints, you can live a happy life in space because of your lack of worries ((kinda))Though, you'll probably go crazy from boredom and have to get tied to the wall with duct tape, it could go alot worse!
Like, with how gas is these days. Say your paying $3.50 a gallon. Thats not cheap. Some people will even say expensive. But what if gas prices were to drop to $1 a gal? Its over 3x cheaper.
The idea is to come up with an energy source that costs almost nothing, and takes up little space, so you can have more of it. The idea of "limitless energy" isnt so much, "infinite", as it is "nearly free".
think of it like a.... nuclear biodiesel. <- thats what we would need for intergalactic travel.
There is the idea of finding a way to fold physical space back onto itself thus eliminating physical distance by compressing the space between two points in reality. Not sure how to really go about that.
On the other hand there is the infinite probability engine which would place a selected person or object in ALL points of space in the galaxy and then work backwards from there until you are exactly where you prefer to be.
On the other hand there is the infinite probability engine which would place a selected person or object in ALL points of space in the galaxy and then work backwards from there until you are exactly where you prefer to be.
An international space agency in which all nations contribute and is funded through the fucking wazoo.
The US and Russia can't do it alone.
The US and Russia can't do it alone.
Interestingly enough even with Star Trek style warp technology we still would not be able to effectively traverse between galaxies. Warp speeds in ST hover in single digits, getting as high as ten (if I recall right. it has been a while.). Our low end estimates of the size of the Milky Way galaxy hover around 100,000 light years from on end to the other, while the Closest galaxy is the Canis Major Dwarf galaxy that sits around 25,000 light years from our own. Rough estimates put earth around 25,000 light years from the 'edge' of our galaxy. So take that as about 50,000 light years to the nearest galaxy and travel at the "mythical" warp ten and you have a trip that takes 5,000 years. Remember, that is at ten times the speed of light.
I vote for not viable in a single generation's lifetime on account of basic math. Barring, of course, worm holes or other modes of instantaneous travel over massive distances.
I vote for not viable in a single generation's lifetime on account of basic math. Barring, of course, worm holes or other modes of instantaneous travel over massive distances.
