How much grind is WoW?
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Not so much in real time strategies, but that's getting off topic. The way grind is used is in a way so as to imply repetition outside of the story/missions that is neccissary to progress through the game (like farming). I don't think it actually has a technical definition, but I'm fairly certain that's the most commonly excepted one.Gxas said:
More grind than anyone should ever subject themselves too. WoW will slowly devour your humanity with it's grind.
Like most other people have already said, there is grind, but it isn't grind-tastic. Quests will basically get you from 1-80, and if you actually read WHY you are killing 10 cultists it becomes much more fun than simply thinking, "Oh great another kill x, return to y."
I have often heard people say they think WoW is just, "Get gear to get better gear to get better gear", and during endgame content this is often the case. However what some people fail to realize is going through that quest for more gear is really freaking fun. When I'm running ToC or ICC I'm certainly thinking about getting new gear, but I'm more focused on just having fun coming together with some friends and accomplishing something; Trying to finally down the giant 4 headed magical axe wielding monstrosity made of the bones of people who have failed before.
So in a nutshell, yes, get WoW. At least try a free trial and see what you think. As a final note, for the love of Jesus DO NOT play Horde on the Khaz'Modan realm....it is completely alliance dominated.
I have often heard people say they think WoW is just, "Get gear to get better gear to get better gear", and during endgame content this is often the case. However what some people fail to realize is going through that quest for more gear is really freaking fun. When I'm running ToC or ICC I'm certainly thinking about getting new gear, but I'm more focused on just having fun coming together with some friends and accomplishing something; Trying to finally down the giant 4 headed magical axe wielding monstrosity made of the bones of people who have failed before.
So in a nutshell, yes, get WoW. At least try a free trial and see what you think. As a final note, for the love of Jesus DO NOT play Horde on the Khaz'Modan realm....it is completely alliance dominated.
Sorry its the part of the game most whined about, I'm too used to haters it's a line I guard myself with, I see nothing wrong with the endgame, I'm too used to being screwed over in reality that those complaining about somthing as fun and escapist-ridden as WoW ought to have a good smack in my books. Then again not everyone that plays has been through half the crazy things I have been.Pandobra said:
The day I complain about WoW is the day I smack myself, quit and go do somthing else to distract myself with. Complaining about somthing that well done and considered is just sad, I love the PvE content, and when I get a little drunk PvP just amuses the hell out of me. Especially when me and my 2 equally drunk friends win.
...our team is aptly named 'Crunchy nut cornflakes'. We hope to kill the enemy with sheer absurdety.
I played the game for quite a while (reached max level, started raiding and pvping and whatnot) ,but after a while I realized that to truly progress in the game and to feel any accomplishment at all you have to spend way to much time on it. So i quit.
Sure the raiding and pvp was fun, but all the filling in between was just god-awfully repetetive and time consuming.
Sure the raiding and pvp was fun, but all the filling in between was just god-awfully repetetive and time consuming.
Teller of untruths, your pants have combusted!Rohammad said:
Of the seven MMOs i have played, there is not one that is not grind-tastic. WoW was the second worst of the lot. and thats only because it has fancy varied enemy models.
however, grind is the only substance of ANY MMO because the nature of MMOs makes FUN gameplay (or at least, gameplay more challenging than would be accessible to a caffeine-riddled ape) impossible.
I'm +1'ing this.Charli said:
I wanted to try it for a very long time and recently picked up a copy. It's light, warm hearted and friendly to everyones skill range.
It's easy enough for my friend who has multiple scholorosis, she doesn't get out much due to her disability so I play World of Warcraft with her.
She got to lvl 5 today and she loves it already.
I'm looking foward to many more level with her.
Get the free trial, give it a go.
I wonder how many people who are hating on the grind have played it recently? Blizzard made some radical changes in the past month that, among other things make it a lot easier to level, particularly at the lower levels.
The main innovation is the cross-realm Random Dungeon feature. Rather like the battlegrounds, you put yourself in the queue and when a slot opens up, da-DAAA! A window pops up, you enter the dungeon to find yourself with four other people of varying levels of skills, both game and social. If you complete the dungeon, you are guaranteed money, XP, and something to help you gear up to advance. You are also guaranteed satisfying rants about incompetent shithead assholes, the pleasure of clicking with a group and executing a near-perfect run, and the challenge of adapting on the fly to that most chaotic of game elements, other players.
The starting area difficulty appears to have dropped quite a bit, so clearing the early levels is a breeze. A few months back, they lowered the level requirements and cost for mounts by a huge degree, which makes travel less onerous, and yes, there is a lot of lore and story to be had out of the game if you actually bother to read the quests and NPC interactions, which most people who gripe about grind and absence of story have probably never bothered to do. I know I didn't, because the font makes my eyes bleed.
And then of course, if PvP is your thing, there are the battlegrounds, where you can garner XP and gear as well.
So the key is to break it up. Sick of questing? Hop in a dungeon queue. Filled with rage at the complete fuckwit in the dungeon group who was more deadly to the group then any monster in the joint? Take in out on someone in the battlegrounds. Feel like something low stress? Go level your professions for a bit. You have alternatives. To grind or not to grind is up to you.
Nevertheless, there WILL be parts of the game that will just leave you clawing at your face, and where those parts of the game hit will depend in large part on what class you play. My shadow priest was agony up to level 20, got very fun at level 40, had me face-clawing again between 50 and 60, and is now a tremendous amount of very challenging pleasure to play well. I don't know where the doldrums hit on warlocks, but you will get them, and that's were you will feel The Grind. Break through that, though, and there is usually a delightfully powerful new ability waiting for you on the other side.
All this is aimed at making the game easier for "casual" players, something that has the self-described hardcores quite butthurt and resentful. QQ. It's a good thing, IMO.
Oh, and remember the multi-player aspect of this. If you are playing it as though it is a single-player game with other people wandering around the background, of course you will be bored, because you are not playing the game as designed. Play with friends, make some friends, realize that you've been standing in the bank for 30 minutes doing nothing but joking with guild members.
Ultrajoe started a WoW group, Azeroth Escapists, if you have questions, and there are a lot of other web communities related to WoW to help you get the game figured out. If you want to play well, there is so much to learn.
The main innovation is the cross-realm Random Dungeon feature. Rather like the battlegrounds, you put yourself in the queue and when a slot opens up, da-DAAA! A window pops up, you enter the dungeon to find yourself with four other people of varying levels of skills, both game and social. If you complete the dungeon, you are guaranteed money, XP, and something to help you gear up to advance. You are also guaranteed satisfying rants about incompetent shithead assholes, the pleasure of clicking with a group and executing a near-perfect run, and the challenge of adapting on the fly to that most chaotic of game elements, other players.
The starting area difficulty appears to have dropped quite a bit, so clearing the early levels is a breeze. A few months back, they lowered the level requirements and cost for mounts by a huge degree, which makes travel less onerous, and yes, there is a lot of lore and story to be had out of the game if you actually bother to read the quests and NPC interactions, which most people who gripe about grind and absence of story have probably never bothered to do. I know I didn't, because the font makes my eyes bleed.
And then of course, if PvP is your thing, there are the battlegrounds, where you can garner XP and gear as well.
So the key is to break it up. Sick of questing? Hop in a dungeon queue. Filled with rage at the complete fuckwit in the dungeon group who was more deadly to the group then any monster in the joint? Take in out on someone in the battlegrounds. Feel like something low stress? Go level your professions for a bit. You have alternatives. To grind or not to grind is up to you.
Nevertheless, there WILL be parts of the game that will just leave you clawing at your face, and where those parts of the game hit will depend in large part on what class you play. My shadow priest was agony up to level 20, got very fun at level 40, had me face-clawing again between 50 and 60, and is now a tremendous amount of very challenging pleasure to play well. I don't know where the doldrums hit on warlocks, but you will get them, and that's were you will feel The Grind. Break through that, though, and there is usually a delightfully powerful new ability waiting for you on the other side.
All this is aimed at making the game easier for "casual" players, something that has the self-described hardcores quite butthurt and resentful. QQ. It's a good thing, IMO.
Oh, and remember the multi-player aspect of this. If you are playing it as though it is a single-player game with other people wandering around the background, of course you will be bored, because you are not playing the game as designed. Play with friends, make some friends, realize that you've been standing in the bank for 30 minutes doing nothing but joking with guild members.
Ultrajoe started a WoW group, Azeroth Escapists, if you have questions, and there are a lot of other web communities related to WoW to help you get the game figured out. If you want to play well, there is so much to learn.
Its not too much of a grind once you hit 51. Then you can do Alterac valley until 58 then the Outland XP faucet. After that it slows a little at 70 but its not that hard after that to hit 80.
It should be noted that that smallharmlesskitten HATES questing but has leveled very quickly on dungeons and battlegrounds. You can definitely choose how you want to play the game.
I'm not looking forward to the endgame at all. Pretty much nothing players do there actually interests me.Pandobra said:
If I get someone to max level, I'll either devote some time to developing their profession, or just shift the focus to one of my alts. Something I picked up at City of Heroes; to me, the journey is more fun than the destination.
