How much longer until videogames are accepted as an art form or beneficial to society?

[Jamboxdotcom]

if Portal wasn't "The Game", there never will be one.

and to answer your question: not until there are no more religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots out to cockblock the whole world.

Did you honestly attempt to blame society's unwillingness to accept video games as a medium of art? You are very closed-minded.

On topic, once the current, video game friendly, generation replaces the older generation it will become much easier.

huh? i'm not sure what you just asked, and i'm not sure why what i just said was closed-minded.
i was saying that to a large degree, games are not accepted as having any true merit by the majority, because there is a substantial majority of people who are too closed-minded and focused on negative aspects of games that they will never acknowledge games as art. because, let's face it, whether you liked the game or not, Portal was art. it should have had enough appeal that anyone could stand back and look at it and say, "yes, this is art." but that didn't happen, which i believe to be for the reasons i stated above.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

within 20 years when all the old farts who are afraid of videogames die.

Most likely this. They are quite stubborn, the a**holes. There will still be a percentage of adults who grew up being brainwashed about how Videogames are evil and must be destroyed but they'll probably be a minority.

 

[S8G Daikatana]

Speaking about Portal, I loved the work they did on the 'AI'

 

[bob1052]

if Portal wasn't "The Game", there never will be one.

and to answer your question: not until there are no more religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots out to cockblock the whole world.

Did you honestly attempt to blame society's unwillingness to accept video games as a medium of art? You are very closed-minded.

On topic, once the current, video game friendly, generation replaces the older generation it will become much easier.

huh? i'm not sure what you just asked, and i'm not sure why what i just said was closed-minded.
i was saying that to a large degree, games are not accepted as having any true merit by the majority, because there is a substantial majority of people who are too closed-minded and focused on negative aspects of games that they will never acknowledge games as art. because, let's face it, whether you liked the game or not, Portal was art. it should have had enough appeal that anyone could stand back and look at it and say, "yes, this is art." but that didn't happen, which i believe to be for the reasons i stated above.

What you initially said wasn't "there is a substantial majority of people who are too closed-minded and focused on negative aspects of games", what you said was "religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots". Your reasoning was closed-minded people (which you make sure to point out that religious people are part of) are the reason.

 

[Piction Froject]

@Daikatana:
@bob1052:

Okay both of you mentioned Portal being a great game. What about Mass Effect?, Or Final Fantasy? Maybe even Mario? All these games have excelled in their own areas and ways Fantasy being the graphics at least to me, Mass Effect being the Story, Mario well that was just... oh my god can't believe I'm saying this but ...FUN! we need a game that not great but fantastic in all areas in making a game.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

if Portal wasn't "The Game", there never will be one.

and to answer your question: not until there are no more religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots out to cockblock the whole world.

Did you honestly attempt to blame society's unwillingness to accept video games as a medium of art? You are very closed-minded.

On topic, once the current, video game friendly, generation replaces the older generation it will become much easier.

huh? i'm not sure what you just asked, and i'm not sure why what i just said was closed-minded.
i was saying that to a large degree, games are not accepted as having any true merit by the majority, because there is a substantial majority of people who are too closed-minded and focused on negative aspects of games that they will never acknowledge games as art. because, let's face it, whether you liked the game or not, Portal was art. it should have had enough appeal that anyone could stand back and look at it and say, "yes, this is art." but that didn't happen, which i believe to be for the reasons i stated above.

What you initially said wasn't "there is a substantial majority of people who are too closed-minded and focused on negative aspects of games", what you said was "religious (or otherwise closed-minded) zealots". Your reasoning was closed-minded people (which you make sure to point out that religious people are part of) are the reason.

well, as a religious person myself, i can assure you that the majority of closed-minded zealots are religious (though not all; i know a few closed-minded atheists as well), and i can assure you that no one is so good at focusing on the negative aspects of things while ignoring their merits as those people. so, yes, i stand by my statement. until the Jack Thompsons of the world are gone, games will never be widely accepted as art.

also, nowhere did i state that *all* religious people are closed-minded. you might note that i modified "religious" with the word "zealots" (well, technically it'd be modifying "zealots" with "religious" but you know what i mean). i'm sure you can see the difference there.

 

[Piction Froject]

until the Jack Thompsons of the world are gone, games will never be widely accepted as art.

So people must die for this media to flourish. That is saddening I want to see "The Game" change the minds of those people not bloom when they are dead that would tarnish the reason for there being "The Game".

 

[S8G Daikatana]

@Daikatana:
@bob1052:

Okay both of you mentioned Portal being a great game. What about Mass Effect?, Or Final Fantasy? Maybe even Mario? All these games have excelled in their own areas and ways Fantasy being the graphics at least to me, Mass Effect being the Story, Mario well that was just... oh my god can't believe I'm saying this but ...FUN! we need a game that not great but fantastic in all areas in making a game.

Portal was a reference. As a game design student I can say there have been many games with visual beauty, but what you see isn't the only form of art in a game. It's a colaberation of many artistic expressions creating a form far superior to any singular form.

 

[Piction Froject]

@Daikatana:
@bob1052:

Okay both of you mentioned Portal being a great game. What about Mass Effect?, Or Final Fantasy? Maybe even Mario? All these games have excelled in their own areas and ways Fantasy being the graphics at least to me, Mass Effect being the Story, Mario well that was just... oh my god can't believe I'm saying this but ...FUN! we need a game that not great but fantastic in all areas in making a game.

That's what I was trying to say but thank you for explaining it better.

Portal was a reference. As a game design student I can say there have been many games with visual beauty, but what you see isn't the only form of art in a game. It's a collaboration of many artistic expressions creating a form far superior to any singular form.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

3years 12 days 18 seconds is when the games comes out it shale be called man kind has yet to realizes my genus

Is that when valve will hire you as their creative lead so you can tell them to make Half-Life 2 Episode 3?

 

[S8G Daikatana]

well that's one of the few times I've ever been able to explain something ... and dude, hehehe, you put you're responce inside the quote.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

until the Jack Thompsons of the world are gone, games will never be widely accepted as art.

So people must die for this media to flourish. That is saddening I want to see "The Game" change the minds of those people not bloom when they are dead that would tarnish the reason for there being "The Game".

it's actually worse than that, because it's not about anyone dying, but rather about a whole mindset "dying out". basically, a large majority of people have made up their minds and will never be convinced otherwise. there was actually an interesting study i read recently that examined the strange tendency of people with erroneous beliefs to actually cling more strongly to their beliefs when confronted with proof of their error.

*edit* so, that means that if and when that game comes along (and i posit that it already has), it won't matter, because the people who are not already convinced will still not be convinced.

 

[S8G Daikatana]

until the Jack Thompsons of the world are gone, games will never be widely accepted as art.

So people must die for this media to flourish. That is saddening I want to see "The Game" change the minds of those people not bloom when they are dead that would tarnish the reason for there being "The Game".

it's actually worse than that, because it's not about anyone dying, but rather about a whole mindset "dying out". basically, a large majority of people have made up their minds and will never be convinced otherwise. there was actually an interesting study i read recently that examined the strange tendency of people with erroneous beliefs to actually cling more strongly to their beliefs when confronted with proof of their error.

Humans in their nature are afraid of change.

 

[Ekonk]

They can't and won't. How can video games be beneficial to a society? Most people would just say they are time wasters

Like regular art, you mean.

I mean come on, I like art and all, but it's not like it isn't a time waster.

 

[The Arbiter of Cool]

Why do videogames need to be accepted by anyone other than the people that enjoy playing them?

Things that I require my videogames to be:
-Fun

Things that I do not require my videogames to be:
-Artistic
-Benificial to society

 

[3AM]

My question is what happens to us when our preferred entertainment becomes mainstream? Will we then ***** about how popular gaming has become and how good it was in the 'old days' when we were the edgy rebels?

As for waiting till the old ones die off, well how long have video games been around? Remember that Doom, certainly not the first game, is nearly 20 years old. Older than alot of people on this site. Someone played the first games when they came out, else the genre would not have flourished as it has. Those first players are likely responsible adults now, maybe even parents buying games for their children. And their parents (now grandparents) may not have bought those games but were aware their kids were playing them.

I say video games are mainstream. The release of a big name game makes mainstream news, they're on the tops of many people's holiday wishlists, and 'grown-ups' own stock in video game companies.

I mean, the content of video games has made it to the US Supreme Court - how much more mainstream can you get? Why, it's just like movie and music content - we've made it!!! We're whipping boys for society's ills!!

 

[EatPieYes]

Who cares? Haven't we been through this several times already?

 

[S8G Daikatana]

Why do videogames need to be accepted by anyone other than the people that enjoy playing them?

Things that I require my videogames to be:
-Fun

Things that I do not require my videogames to be:
-Artistic
-Benificial to society

Because videogames are not just toys. There is a GREAT deal of art and hard work put in to making them and we, as the people who make them, are sick of our work being treated as rogue cildren's toys.

 

[Davidmcawesome]

I feel I am in an interesting issue, between games and Top gear love of Cars, I seem to have two large things I enjoy be considered not art by virtue of "not having any purpose other than itself", where as, games could be considered not art if they were all exclusive to text adventures (applying the logic that creating a landscape or background, or concept...ART, is more than enough evidence than one should need to qualify a game for itself. If its only because of the people assumed to be associated with the most popular games (I will state on record, I am not a fan of Halo or COD) then, Im hesitant to use the word, but I think it applies "traditional" gamers, the ones that grew up as social outcasts more or less up until or through high school, never being understood for enjoying something interactive and sometimes cerebral.

 

[Psycho Cybernaut]

Never, so long as they keep finding xboxs in murderer's houses, games will always be seen as a bad thing