How to freshen up Call of Duty: Stop using Americans

[Smeggs]

An Irish war game from the early 1900s would be awesome. Being in a rebel flying column using stealth to traverse the countryside and take out the filthy black and tans...

Totally not biased, or anything.

Who wouldn't want to play as these lads?

I'd play it just for the hat.

 

[TheOneBearded]

If you played as the bad guys, what would the missions be like? Go murder and burn the Jew children for the Nazis? Blow yourself up in the name of Allah? The mainstream media masturbates to the idea that a game like this would pop up.

........you really think nazi soldier=gestapo? Are you serious? Does American soldier=Abu Ghraib prison guard? smh

True, not all Nazis were evil - they were just doing their job. However, there is a difference between doing your job and going overboard with it. It doesn't matter if you are a grunt or Hitler's right hand soldiers, if you went overboard and felt good about it, you are a sick person.

you still seem to be suggesting that all nazi soldiers had something to do with the Holocaust, which is utter bullsh*t. I don't know why you care how German soldiers on the French beaches felt when they were fighting the Allies.

No, I am suggesting that the German army at the time was made up of: the "evil Nazi" soldier we were told about as children through the Holocaust, people who were "brainwashed" into the Nazi mentality ("Jews are a cancer" "We are the master race"), and the people who were simply doing their job to protect Germany and their people (how everyone feels when they are sent to war - they are there to protect their country and the people they love).

I care about the mentality a German (or any) soldier had because it is what separates them from being a "protector" (kill in the name of protection and survival) to a "full on bad guy" (kills because the weak must be purged, etc)

 

[TheOneBearded]

You could be an unwilling participant. There would actually be an opportunity to make quite a deep war game. Say for example playing as the Germans in Stalingrad, your unit could be told to execute prisoners and another squadmate could refuse and be executed for disobedience, explaining why your character has to go along with it.

Playing from both sides would be effective as well to use propganda. Say in an on-rails mission as the RAF or USAAF you hear a story of V-1 rockets killing civilians. You then destroy a V-1 factory. Then as the Germans you hear the story of Allied bombing of civilian areas and as such have to maybe conduct a stealthy raid on an airbase in France.

Or you could perhaps be a defector from the Germans after witnessing an atrocity. The story could then deal with the hostility shown by the squad and how the player's character comes to win their trust.

That sounds like something Bioware would make/or should make (In Mass Effect style, complete with the Paragon "Save the Jews by telling them beforehand of the operation" to the Renegade "Don't save the Jews and shot the man/men who hesitate yourself"). I don't think it would be done properly by the people who believe that multiplayer is the main dish and the single player is the basket of bread you get before the meal.

 

[Skin]

I know that some Germans weren't in the Nazi mentality and were just simply doing their job and that, in war, there isn't a "right" body. All they (the involved countries) are doing is protecting something by killing other people, whether that something be an ideal or a resource.

Some Germans? Try most.

Infact, it is wrong to call the German forces Nazi's, because that would be like calling all the US soldiers republicans, or democrats. Infact alot of Hitler's generals were not at all interested in his "Master race, kill the jews" bullshit and wanted to call it quits while they were ahead.

 

[Muspelheim]

*Sings* Hear the eagles cryy-iiing...

Anyhamyway... One interesting new take on the genre would be a shooter set in the Great War (WW1) for a change. Of course, the main arguement is that it would be boring, since most people only think of the trench war on the Western Front. However, there's so much more to it.

For instance, the Alpine frontlines between Italy and Austro-Hungary. Vicious battles in valleys and on mountaintops, with the added risk of avalanches. Or the sniper-battles at Galipoli. Or the Eastern Front, which was less static but not less vicious than the Western Front. If a studio put some thought and effort in such a project, it could turn out very interesting, indeed.

 

[spartandude]

If you played as the bad guys, what would the missions be like? Go murder and burn the Jew children for the Nazis? Blow yourself up in the name of Allah? The mainstream media masturbates to the idea that a game like this would pop up.

or how about do it from the side of the Axis or the talliban but show what it was really like.

That is what some of the Axis soldiers did. Not too long ago, I was watching this documentary on WW2 and in it the Nazis massacred a whole town of people; including children. Then, they just piled them up in the town square. I'm not too familiar with the rest of the actions done by the Axis as a whole, but I do know what the Germans did and they were bad.

wow, your ability to read the entirety of a post amazes me (btw that was sarcasm)

Spoiler: full post

If you played as the bad guys, what would the missions be like? Go murder and burn the Jew children for the Nazis? Blow yourself up in the name of Allah? The mainstream media masturbates to the idea that a game like this would pop up.

or how about do it from the side of the Axis or the talliban but show what it was really like.

With the Axis (im likely gonna get flamed for this) the vast vasr majority of their soldiers were no different from those of the allies. they were just as horroric, blood thirsty and what not of that of any other army, i doubt most agreed with the anti jewish shit or even knew about the final solution so it would be interesting to see what it would be like from their perspective

and interms of the talliban (probs gonna get even more flamed) alot of people view them as freedom fighters or people trying advance their groups interests just like how the west do for themselves (not saying i agree just that thats how some people view them) to alot of people these are people willing to die for their cause just like how we view our soldiers

would be interesting to see from thse perspectives

how about we have a game set in the not so distant future (maybe 50 years or so at most) where France has a Napoleonic style govt. the french are taking over everything in europe and its up to a united force of Russia, Austria, Germany and Britain to stop them.
Or how about in the north of europs Sweden has risen to power and rules with an iron fist! and in Southern Europe Turkey has remade the Ottoman Empire and tensions are brewing between the 2 super powers

but ok if we are judging and entire group by the actions of a few why dont we also have these following things
Americans lynching black people, jews, gays ect (yes they did that believe it or not)
Brits forcing south africans into concentration camps
the desden fire storms
French slaughtering turks (napoleonic wars this was)

you get the idea of what im saying?

 

[Spydercake]

For those of you who can stomach the difficulty, go try Red Orchestra 2 by Tripwire.
The single player is not that interesting IMO, but its about the German attacks on Russia during WW2. It has two campaigns, first being from the German POV, the other being from the Russian POV
The multiplayer is great though.

 

[zuro64]

WW2 game from the Axis perspective.

Think about it.

+1

 

[TheOneBearded]

If you played as the bad guys, what would the missions be like? Go murder and burn the Jew children for the Nazis? Blow yourself up in the name of Allah? The mainstream media masturbates to the idea that a game like this would pop up.

or how about do it from the side of the Axis or the talliban but show what it was really like.

That is what some of the Axis soldiers did. Not too long ago, I was watching this documentary on WW2 and in it the Nazis massacred a whole town of people; including children. Then, they just piled them up in the town square. I'm not too familiar with the rest of the actions done by the Axis as a whole, but I do know what the Germans did and they were bad.

wow, your ability to read the entirety of a post amazes me (btw that was sarcasm)

Spoiler: full post

If you played as the bad guys, what would the missions be like? Go murder and burn the Jew children for the Nazis? Blow yourself up in the name of Allah? The mainstream media masturbates to the idea that a game like this would pop up.

or how about do it from the side of the Axis or the talliban but show what it was really like.

With the Axis (im likely gonna get flamed for this) the vast vasr majority of their soldiers were no different from those of the allies. they were just as horroric, blood thirsty and what not of that of any other army, i doubt most agreed with the anti jewish shit or even knew about the final solution so it would be interesting to see what it would be like from their perspective

and interms of the talliban (probs gonna get even more flamed) alot of people view them as freedom fighters or people trying advance their groups interests just like how the west do for themselves (not saying i agree just that thats how some people view them) to alot of people these are people willing to die for their cause just like how we view our soldiers

would be interesting to see from thse perspectives

how about we have a game set in the not so distant future (maybe 50 years or so at most) where France has a Napoleonic style govt. the french are taking over everything in europe and its up to a united force of Russia, Austria, Germany and Britain to stop them.
Or how about in the north of europs Sweden has risen to power and rules with an iron fist! and in Southern Europe Turkey has remade the Ottoman Empire and tensions are brewing between the 2 super powers

but ok if we are judging and entire group by the actions of a few why dont we also have these following things
Americans lynching black people, jews, gays ect (yes they did that believe it or not)
Brits forcing south africans into concentration camps
the desden fire storms
French slaughtering turks (napoleonic wars this was)

you get the idea of what im saying?

I do, but all I'm trying to say is that there were people who wouldn't think twice if they were presented with the situation. That's all I'm trying to say.

I wouldn't mind any of the options you gave in the last part. Better than the "use some Nazis here or put some terrorists there" idea most war video games/movies are doing (that I've noticed, some could have flown under the radar).

 

[FantomForce]

it would be awesome if we could play as the Israeli commandos

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

I was disappointed that we didn't get to play as the GIGN and that the Bundeswehr aren't even a faction in multiplayer. :-/

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the FAMAS didn't return from Modern Warfare 2. That grinds my gears.