How to make Sonic games better

[GloatingSwine]

I just had a bizarre though regarding control scheme. If the point of Sonic games is to mesh platforming with insane speed, what if you just controlled Sonic like a... race car? You know, like in Gran Turismo, PURE, what have you, where the analog stick is limited to steering, rather than total movement. And to move forward, just hold down the A button like it's a dang gas pedal. There go all your camera issues, because if all you had to do was hold down a button to keep moving forward, instead of adjusting the direction of the analog stick when you're suddenly looking at the course from the side or at an angle, then the camera could flip itself upside down for all I care and not bother me.

This would be a huge improvement for the fast parts. It is, to all intents and purposes, how Spyro controls when charging, and works well enough there.

 

[Mr. Moose]

I just had a bizarre though regarding control scheme. If the point of Sonic games is to mesh platforming with insane speed, what if you just controlled Sonic like a... race car? You know, like in Gran Turismo, PURE, what have you, where the analog stick is limited to steering, rather than total movement. And to move forward, just hold down the A button like it's a dang gas pedal. There go all your camera issues, because if all you had to do was hold down a button to keep moving forward, instead of adjusting the direction of the analog stick when you're suddenly looking at the course from the side or at an angle, then the camera could flip itself upside down for all I care and not bother me.

This would be a huge improvement for the fast parts. It is, to all intents and purposes, how Spyro controls when charging, and works well enough there.

Isn't that what they're trying to do with Unleashed?

 

[Digitalpotato]

Dude, nothing Sega can do can save the Sonic games. Half of the things I see you guys complaining about I hear complaints about the games for NOT doing. Sega knows that Sonic Fans are more like the Red Sox fans and will keep on coming back to the game only to be disappointed and swear off Sonic Games forever only to come back thinking "Hey they'll get it this time!". Sega can do anything and attach speed to it and the fans will buy it.

But of course when they come back to Sonic Adventure...the fans complain because it's not high-speed blast-processing. And when they just go back to holding right on the D-Pad and occasionally hitting the "a" button until the boss fight, other fans complain because that gets very old.

Everyone has so many different expectations for the game I would personally NOT know what the heck the fans want. Fans are JUST as responsible for killing the Sonic Franchise as Sega and Sonic Team are. (And I am of course leaving the stuff you see on FurAffinity out of this argument) If oyu ask me the only characters they should remove are Big and Cream. I like Amy - keep her. She can actually DEFEND herself, if Robotnik is gonna try to kidnap her and hold her for ransom, she'd smack him in the nose with her hammer and escape, whereas Cream would be all "OH SONIC TAILS HELP ME HELP ME!".


If you ask me if Sega cared at all about how their games were received and now how they sold, they should just make a new platforming game that no one has any expectations for. Just let Sonic go the way of Alex Kidd and Wonder Boy or just let him become a secondary franchise that people will recognize, unlike Space Channel 5 which isn't really known to anyone.

I seriously believe Sega just cares about how well it sells...look at Shadow the Hedgehog. I went into a Target recently and found that game labeled "Greatest Hits", of course right next to much more well-received games like Shadow of the Colossus. It's obvious that those are based off of sales - if I recall, Valkyrie Profile and SHadow Hearts: Covenant were VERY well received but you had to go to eBay to find them within years. (HEck I only saw Shadow Hearts: Covenant in stores until mid 2005)

 

[varulfic]

Kill all voice actors. Sonic was way cooler when he was mute.

There's more, but most of it has already been covered.

 

[Amnestic]

Kill all voice actors. Sonic was way cooler when he was mute.

There's more, but most of it has already been covered.

But...Sonic's his name! And speed...it's his game!

Heh.

Improved level design, any and all chracters except Sonic as unlockables that can only be done after finishing the main game once at least, better controls (Sonic Heroes screwed me over more than once ;/) and bring back Metal Sonic.

 

[Invader Ezri]

I feel that Shadow needs some defending at this point. He was a good, evenly matched rival for Sonic, and he was really cool before they made him emo (which was in one game). He also had Chaos Control as a unique power before they gave everyone and their dog the ability to use it.

As for making Sonic games better, they should really get a new storyline idea.
"Oh no, [INSERT NEW ENEMY HERE/EGGMAN] wants to find the Chaos Emeralds for [INSERT EVIL PLOT]! We have to go find them!"
"Yay, we found all the Emeralds! Oh no, [NEW ENEMY/EGGMAN] stole them from us and is going through with [EVIL PLOT]!"
"Yay, we beat the final boss who had a flashing red weak point! Now we can go lose the Chaos Emeralds again!"

Its really getting old.

 

[Syphonz]

I completly agree with the killing off characters. Theres a few i can name right now 'Rouge, Cream, Chao' and then theres the chaotix gang or something with the crocodile, chameleon etc. They all need to go and just stick with the originals that came from the Master System series.

Knuckles ftw. they need him to go back into the prick role that he was in Sonic 3.

 

[bluerahjah]

get rid of anybody who isn't sonic or eggman/robotnik(whatever he's called now), and his minions.

Definitely, I blame Tails, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have to endure all the crap characters that were thrown into the games throughout the years. Seriously, I don't even want Sonic in 3-d, give me a good side-scroller with speed and action and I'm a happy camper. I know this can work, look at the resurgence of interest in Mega Man 9.

 

[Mr. Moose]

I feel that Shadow needs some defending at this point. He was a good, evenly matched rival for Sonic, and he was really cool before they made him emo (which was in one game). He also had Chaos Control as a unique power before they gave everyone and their dog the ability to use it.

As for making Sonic games better, they should really get a new storyline idea.
"Oh no, [INSERT NEW ENEMY HERE/EGGMAN] wants to find the Chaos Emeralds for [INSERT EVIL PLOT]! We have to go find them!"
"Yay, we found all the Emeralds! Oh no, [NEW ENEMY/EGGMAN] stole them from us and is going through with [EVIL PLOT]!"
"Yay, we beat the final boss who had a flashing red weak point! Now we can go lose the Chaos Emeralds again!"

Its really getting old.

There's always 'EGGMAN HAS ALL THE CHAOS EMERALDS HE'S TURNING ME INTO A WERE-ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR'[

 

[Aoi Denkou]

You can only fix sonic by shooting him in the head and forgetting the rodents existance.

Dude, if all your here to do is bag on Sonic instead of adding anything intelligent to the conversation, then leave and don't come back.

 

[Galletea]

They should just step away from its twitching corpse and try to make something new.

 

[internutt]

I do not want to jump to conclusions, but Sonic Unleashed without the werewolf hedgehog bits. Maybe add separate paths like Sonic 3. High ledges for tails to fly to and maybe areas Knuckles can only access by bashing openings. Allow these separate paths to give you an alternate story/bosses.

 

[yourkie1921]

get rid of anybody who isn't sonic or eggman/robotnik(whatever he's called now), and his minions.

Definitely, I blame Tails, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have to endure all the crap characters that were thrown into the games throughout the years. Seriously, I don't even want Sonic in 3-d, give me a good side-scroller with speed and action and I'm a happy camper. I know this can work, look at the resurgence of interest in Mega Man 9.

I disagree. just kill everyone who did not exist before they went 3d except shadow.
By the way, I know most of these problems are from SA2 but I actually like it.
More speed (sonic the hedgehog for the xbox360 was so slow. And yet I still fell very often) for sonic and shadow. No treasure hunts, no more tails in a robot suit, no guns on anyone you control, no water. Even if you're using tails or knuckles you should atleast be faster than Sonic is in the 360 game. And only make non-sonic games with sonic in it when the series is revived, sonic riders wasn't a great game but it didn't suck and it would have been ok if sonic was still in many awesome games

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

I completly agree with the killing off characters. Theres a few i can name right now 'Rouge, Cream, Chao' and then theres the chaotix gang or something with the crocodile, chameleon etc. They all need to go and just stick with the originals that came from the Master System series.

Knuckles ftw. they need him to go back into the prick role that he was in Sonic 3.

YES.
I hate all the new characters from the Advance series onwards (except maybe Blaze, and Cream can be bloody useful but I still hate her, I wouldn't have hated Silver so much if he didn't sound like a prick in the XB360 one). I loved Knuckles as an asshole in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

No voices, in fact I'd rather not even have much of a story either, that's what they tried to do in Sonic 2006 and they fucked it up, go back to the old character designs, they all look too top-heavy.

And NO WEREHOG! It looks stupid! Ugh, too late... If they fuck up Sonic Unleashed I'm never going to hear the end of it.

 

[Father2u]

I completly agree with the killing off characters. Theres a few i can name right now 'Rouge, Cream, Chao' and then theres the chaotix gang or something with the crocodile, chameleon etc. They all need to go and just stick with the originals that came from the Master System series.

Knuckles ftw. they need him to go back into the prick role that he was in Sonic 3.

The Chaotix gang has been around for a while since Knuckles' Chaotix [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuckles%27_Chaotix]. No need to get rid of them, Espio is awesome.

 

[Amnestic]

I completly agree with the killing off characters. Theres a few i can name right now 'Rouge, Cream, Chao' and then theres the chaotix gang or something with the crocodile, chameleon etc. They all need to go and just stick with the originals that came from the Master System series.

Screw you! "Original" characters? Chaotix were back in the Sonic comic books I was bought as a child. They're as important to me as the rest of the sonic characters, moreso than bloody Amy the useless sod.

 

[Bob_F_It]

How to make it better? Stop using Scalextric to design the levels. 85% of the gameplay consists of a 15' wide path placed over a pit of death or a 15' wide corridor. It doesn't get more linear than that.
And hire a QA team that isn't just there for a first hands-on of the games.

 

[AuntyEthel]

Make it X-Rated