I think that's the point the OP is trying to make about "gamergate". It's not really about feminism, it's about bad behavior.Saltyk said:
Hubris: In light of GamerGate anyone remember Rebecca Mayes? A warning to SJW extremists...
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People are fickle regarding things they are fans of - all the more reason that's it's a bad idea to be famous.
Rebecca Mayes was (and maybe still is) a very good video game critic - she's not as good of an artist as Yahtzee but maybe as good of a critic. Her material was fairly centrist and definitely not "SJW extremist" in any sense - it was far more centrist than Anita Sarkeesian's work, for example.
The impression I got from the ordeal was that Mayes was concerned with Yahtzee's disgust for humanity, perhaps especially since Yahtzee himself is human. Possibly the "right" approach would have simply been to research misanthropy, think seriously about it, and then make either a public or a private criticism to Yahtzee of why misanthropy is psychologically and socially unhealthy and that he could consider getting rid of it within his personality. Possibly because of her attraction to him she didn't take the "right" approach, but what she did was reasonable enough considering the circumstances.
The internet being lethal and unforgiving did what it did, and the rest is history. The lesson we all learned was that Yahtzee's misanthropy is part of his artistic and critical construction, thus part of both his fame and his livelihood, and that's more important to him than not just his psychological and social health, but the happiness of the people who care about him.
Don't get between a man and his demons, especially when those demons pay the bills.
Rebecca Mayes was (and maybe still is) a very good video game critic - she's not as good of an artist as Yahtzee but maybe as good of a critic. Her material was fairly centrist and definitely not "SJW extremist" in any sense - it was far more centrist than Anita Sarkeesian's work, for example.
The impression I got from the ordeal was that Mayes was concerned with Yahtzee's disgust for humanity, perhaps especially since Yahtzee himself is human. Possibly the "right" approach would have simply been to research misanthropy, think seriously about it, and then make either a public or a private criticism to Yahtzee of why misanthropy is psychologically and socially unhealthy and that he could consider getting rid of it within his personality. Possibly because of her attraction to him she didn't take the "right" approach, but what she did was reasonable enough considering the circumstances.
The internet being lethal and unforgiving did what it did, and the rest is history. The lesson we all learned was that Yahtzee's misanthropy is part of his artistic and critical construction, thus part of both his fame and his livelihood, and that's more important to him than not just his psychological and social health, but the happiness of the people who care about him.
Don't get between a man and his demons, especially when those demons pay the bills.
I think it's kind of strange that the progressives have taken to openly mocking and ridiculing and denouncing and dismissing any and all detractors with labels and insults that often don't even apply to what was said.
Well, strange isn't the right word. Rather, as someone who is very liberal and would like to see a lot of reasonable liberal changes in my country, a better word would be "infuriating". Nothing like watching the people you thought were on your side completely torpedo a bunch of stuff you hold dear by adopting self-defeating tactics in the name of protecting disgusting hypocrits.
Well, strange isn't the right word. Rather, as someone who is very liberal and would like to see a lot of reasonable liberal changes in my country, a better word would be "infuriating". Nothing like watching the people you thought were on your side completely torpedo a bunch of stuff you hold dear by adopting self-defeating tactics in the name of protecting disgusting hypocrits.
I'm so bored of this topic. Aren't you guys bored? I'm bored.
There is no clarification for SJW. It has no meaning.
Who is one and who isn't? I'm gonna need names.
Who exactly are you warning?
Considering that we're all supposed to be infuriated by games media painting gamers as all the same with a broad brush, the anti-feminist backlash seems to have no irony in it.
I'm just gonna say this: I'm a feminist and a gamer and I actually manage to go throughout my day without standing in front of the mirror arguing with myself all day.
CANT WE ALL GET ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
We all know that any childish behavior is automatically because you have a liberal social attitude.Saltyk said:
Because, well, um, reasons. Lots of reasons. That I can't back up.
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all political BS and weather this is relevant or not aside, I think all this proves is that gamers like games. we're not interested in an agenda and no matter how hard you try to convince people otherwise most humans (read men and women) are good people and know it so telling them otherwise is not terribly effective. this whole misandry vs. misogyny thing is honestly in large part just the latest iteration of the gender war we've been fighting since cave women had breasts and cavemen has penises to shake at them. The important thing to remember is that at the end of the day men need women and women need men, yes even the homosexuals require the opposite gender not so much for sex but for harmony so try not to say things you might regret when all the fighting dies down and it comes time to do the opposite.
Don't worry, I'm an SJW (is that what you kids call it these days?) and I can safely say Zoe Quinn has acted like a cock. As have people on #GamerGate.insaninater said:
But I consider myself an onlooker into this clusterfuck, plus I don't have any sufficient evidence, so I'm not really gonna get into some drawn out debate about this shit.
Quoted for great justice.Darkmantle said:
I'd like to take this opportunity to invite anyone who might have questions regarding GamerGate to come over to the big thread and have a chat with us. We'd be more than happy to discuss the reasons why we're upset, and our goals for the industry.
(That being said, the thread title was overly inflammatory. Please don't 'warn' people on the other side, OP.)
I am #GamerGate and I can safely say that they are indeed dickheads on our side, there are dickheads on the SJW, there are dickhead in the neutral side.TerribleAssassin said:
Basicly, when the discussion is this big, there will be dickheads all over the place, there's no way to avoid it.
Let's just discuss this as gentleman, people...
Still don't care about Rebbeca Mayes (Don't like her singing, like previous statement) , or indeed Zoe Quinn, I think that fucking a reporter regardless of him writing or not a story about her and her non-game (I did like Depression Quest, gave me something to think about, but I don't consider it a game) as unnethical, but the discussion already outgrew Zoe Quinn, much like the 35 cents increase in bus passage when the protest in Brazil broke out, so fuck her basicly.
Ok, I actually did laugh out loud at that.Colour Scientist said:
I do remember her now she's been mentioned. While I wouldn't be so bold as to deem them "shit", they did repulse me about as forcefully as possible within the laws of physics. Never looked at her vids after the 2nd or 3rd go.
Possible, but I can't really comment on that. I haven't paid any attention to Gamer doorway or Zo-He Quinn, Medicine Woman, or whoever. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play some vidja games.Darkmantle said:
To be fair, it can be. Childishness is not relegated to one political persuasion or the other. The left can be just as asinine as the right. And the right can be just as correct as the left. Watch the news for five minutes and you'll realize that. Just don't watch Fox or MSNBC. Those two are horrid.TerribleAssassin said:
Yeah, I didn't think too much about it either. This was a funny little story about people taking things far too seriously though, and demonstrating that the correct response to abuse on the internet is just to ignore it and *poof*, it goes away!Colour Scientist said: