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[Wolfram23]

Calling gamers "entitled" is overused to the nth degree. It's fucking stupid. Expecting a quality product is not entitlement. It's like calling someone who buys a 2 year old car entitled because he bitches that it breaks down regularly. A car shouldn't have issues for many many years if it's taken care of. And gamers shouldn't have to put up with day 1 DLC for often important shit or games being sold without a proper ending just so they can sell it to you later. I'm fine with DLC that either adds extras that are unimportant to the main game (like map packs, new armor/clothes, expansions) but stuff like what I hear they're doing with From Ashes is just sad.

 

[GigaHz]

It's not entitlement if the developer is deliberately nickel and diming you so that you may enjoy the "full" experience.

It's the other way around, developers. I pay extra money to get the extra fluff I don't need, not what should be included in the main release. This includes 'online passes' and the like. Really, does your company need that $10 for a game that was, at some point, considered a legitimate sale? If I wanted to give my friend a copy of a game I don't use anymore, it's not necessarily given away, being that he needs to shell out some cash in order to get the full usage out of it. It's ridiculous.

It is entitlement if the game is of good to excellent quality and the consumers feel what was included isn't enough.

Sure, there are some exceptions but some cases really make me wonder. Those of us who live and work in the real world know that a tremendous amount of effort goes into making something decent, let alone good or exceptional. Yet some have the nerve to raise their noses and demand that something be revised or included to suit their taste. Why? If you enjoyed the game, why is it you feel that your perceived ideas will add anything of value to a product enjoyed by thousands of others?

Oh thats right, you've never designed a game in your life. What you desire exists in your head and may or may not work in reality.

Why not submit feedback or suggestions to the developer instead of stating why 'that game' is a waste of money in a public forum. Would seem like a greater usage of those stellar ideas you have. Or better yet, why not take a stab at developing an indie game yourself? It might give you some appreciation for the creative process.

For the record, the entitlement comment has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3. I haven't played the game and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another. Just thought I'd make that clear before people take bits of my post and lump it with the problems of Mass Effect 3.

 

[Fr]anc[is]

Yet in the same video (or at least a very recent one) he talks about kick starter and says "even though you invest money into the game you have no say over what happens with the game".

He even says at one point "you aren't an investor" only to contradict that a few seconds later, then says "you aren't an investor" again.

Part of the problem there though is he isn't concise.

Investors have direct control. Consumers have indirect control. At least that's what I got out of it. An investor can say "shoehorn in some multiplayer into this single player focused game" and devs have to comply or they get canned. The only way consumers can make a difference is passively, by voting with their wallets. There is a middle ground between basically making the game yourself and just accepting whatever the publishers feel like shoving up your ass.

 

[omega 616]

anc[is]

Yet in the same video (or at least a very recent one) he talks about kick starter and says "even though you invest money into the game you have no say over what happens with the game".

He even says at one point "you aren't an investor" only to contradict that a few seconds later, then says "you aren't an investor" again.

Part of the problem there though is he isn't concise.

Investors have direct control. Consumers have indirect control. At least that's what I got out of it. An investor can say "shoehorn in some multiplayer into this single player focused game" and devs have to comply or they get canned. The only way consumers can make a difference is passively, by voting with their wallets. There is a middle ground between basically making the game yourself and just accepting whatever the publishers feel like shoving up your ass.

I understand what you are saying and kind of agree with you, the problem is that you as an individual mean fuck all ... for example TB said "I boycotted MW2" do you think activision give a shit that they lost out on TB's money? Fuck no!

The only way you can vote with your wallet is if the majority boycott the game as well, if activision's next COD only sells 10,000 copies world wide you can bet there wont be a MW4 ... see guitar hero for details.

 

[rob_simple]

I think the problem is more to do with differentiating between people 'acting' entitled and people who just want what they deserve.

Someone who gets upset and constantly posts on forums because the splash damage for grenades isn't the same in Resistance 3 as it was in Resistance 2 is a self-entitled dipshit.

Someone who gets upset that they've spent £40-£50 on a game that's only half-finished (which they didn't realise; I agree that if you buy it knowing this you deserve all you get) has every right to demand some answers.

The problem, to me, is that the ones who complain loudest are the ones who have no real right to complain; sort of like how the only protesters you ever see on the news for any topic are the eccentric fringe groups that even the main body of the protest would like to distance themselves from.

Oh, and Captcha: 'I'm not dead yet'. That's some fucking freaky Ring shit right there.

 

[Shavon513]

I honestly don't know. If you are dissatisfied with a product, give it bad reviews, boycott it's use, and complain to the manufacturer. However, with literature, movies and video games, there is a space for artistic license that consumers don't exactly have the right to demand changed. i am not sure if this exactly applies to Mass effect, only because we spend the first two games where choice and character relationships are heavily emphasized, all to be taken awy and thrown out completely in the last ten minutes of ME3.
Fans being disappointed is one thing, fans demanding free story ending change in dlc is another, and is frankly entitled. Were we entitled to a better ending that didn't smack us in the face? yes. Do we have the right to demand that Bioware change their mistake? no.

 

[Orekoya]

There are entitled gamers out there but they already have another name; most of us call them pirates.


My favorite line is:
Take the game to your parents and tell them "Hey I spent 60 dollars on this and there's content on this disc that I can't access but I have the opportunity to pay additional money to access that content." and just see what they think of that business practice. And then after they tell you it's bullshit, go ahead and tell them that their generation is just entitled.