Hulk liked the ME3 ending
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The new Deus Ex? what is wrong about it? you may not be able to EVADE the bosses but still there are plenty of ways to deal with them.denseWorm said:
The guy keeps going over the "artistic statement" of the writers even if it was 2 writers from the total, that were tasked to do the ending without the input from others. If it was the intention ALL ALONG then, why does it feel so off putting? Does that mean that the artistic merit belongs to those 2 people only (for what? 10 last minutes of the game) and the rest can go fuck themselves even if they did like 90% of the rest?Adam Jensen said:
Lets just pretend for a moment that ALL the writers were responsible for the ending for just a second. Does that mean that, according to them, as long there is an statement to make in the end, one can ignore everything that goes AGAINST IT in the own work?
Its the ending supposed to be something "postmoderm" that illustrates how pointless are the choices? Wasn't that already done before in MGS2 but it was hinted THROUGH the entire game?
Have nothing new to add because this all stopped being fun months ago but I can't resist making a shitty joke.tautologico said:
After seeing the two movies the Hulk has starred in I think it's fair to say that if he says something is good then they should be going in the opposite direction. *rimshot*
I meant Hulk as the big green fictional comic book guy. I said it was a shitty joke!DioWallachia said:
I don't want to get too deep into this, but basically it swaps genre from an awesome stealth game to a terrible FPS. Depending on your previous preferences and experiences it's possible to get through and enjoy these, but they are a major break point where it's very easy for them to turn into boring and/or frustrating messes. As evidenced by the way half the world hated them.DioWallachia said:
More like it he recognises that it improved some aspects, where 2 of 4 of the overall issues were even "Kind of Fixed".Dendio said:
I'd hardly say he's saying its better in almost every way. Its improved in a number of places, but not great overall.
Same problem: Skips over plot holes, lack of closure and everything else, and then goes on to say that he thinks the two ending options that probably make the most sense shouldn't even be in the game because they're not the 'best' ending that he liked - and ergo not the right ending.Bhaalspawn said:
That guy did give a good review of his viewpoint of the games and ending after playing them. I don't agree with him and it sounds to me like he didn't pay enough attention to the game's setting, plot and individual stories to notice the flaws it has. But his review of the ending was good in it's own right.Bhaalspawn said:
To each their own, but I can say that so many people seeing the ending as incredibly wrong means that there's at least something to it. That it isn't as rose-colored and good as that reviewer makes it out to be, even if he doesn't necessarily lie about the ending.
Ah, it's nice to read a well reasoned argument.
I tried to point out many of these very things when the ending first came out, but often got distracted by certain issues of clarity (one failing of the original endings were a lack of clarity about exactly what was happening in a few places).
I have always hated that "ten things" video guy - listening to him makes me physically ill. Thank you, Hulk, for telling him what to go do with himself.
From what I've seen, the Extended Cut mostly fixes clarity issues. Note - I've only seen clips on You Tube, since I didn't feel the need to replay the ending after downloading the content. I'll see it next time I play through with my Renegade character. I will keep my full opinion of the Extended Cut for that time, once I've seen the whole thing.
I tried to point out many of these very things when the ending first came out, but often got distracted by certain issues of clarity (one failing of the original endings were a lack of clarity about exactly what was happening in a few places).
I have always hated that "ten things" video guy - listening to him makes me physically ill. Thank you, Hulk, for telling him what to go do with himself.
From what I've seen, the Extended Cut mostly fixes clarity issues. Note - I've only seen clips on You Tube, since I didn't feel the need to replay the ending after downloading the content. I'll see it next time I play through with my Renegade character. I will keep my full opinion of the Extended Cut for that time, once I've seen the whole thing.
Yeah, pretty much this. The entirety of the series is about establishing three things: Free will is good, diversity is good, and homogeneity(represented by the Reapers) is bad. These aren't just ideals that Shepard happens to believe in, but are actually established and proven time and time again. The entire game is about getting all the diverse races to make peace to fight the Reapers. AND YOU FUCKING DO IT. Then, at the end, this kid comes along and says "Nope, the only way you'll stop killing each other is if you're all alike.", thus the "Synthesis" ending. So the "good" ending represents a betrayal of EVERYTHING the series has been about: The only universe that can survive is a homogenous one. This would be fine, except for the fact that Shepard just spent THREE GAMES proving the kid wrong. That's why "Indoctrination Theory" cropped up: Because Shepard, and in the "best" ending, the whole universe, accepts the Reaper's ideals whole-heartedly and seemingly for no reason. Worse then that, he does it in the face of logic and experience.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
The ending is bad because it makes a thematic 180 for absolutely no reason at all, creating about a million plot holes in it's wake. It makes NO SENSE and doesn't fit with the rest of the series in any way. That's why it's bad. Not because it's "too deep" and I wanted a "porn ending". I seriously doubt this guy has any extensive experience with the series, and that's fine but...Why did he choose to write an essay about it anyway?
Shitty reasons eloquently stated. I'm not surprised he chose to defend highfalutin nonsense with more highfalutin nonsense because I don't know any other way to go about it. I think this is my favorite line "...THERE IS NO DENYING THAT THE ENDING IS A SINGLE, ECONOMIC THOUGHT AND PURE EXPRESSION OF THE CREATORS." No denying, indeed.
I also am not surprised he chose a bad video to beat up on, as if to admit he cannot contend with the better arguments that explain why the ending was a huge load. He even beats up straw-man versions of the bad video. Way to pick the low-hanging fruit. And then there is vague remonstrance about the times we live in. Fucking *yawn*.
Oh great, and then the creators right to create what they want is conflated with a supposed right to charge for pure dog shit and not get called out for it.
Cycles, cycles, cycles, cycles, cycles. Nothing you say is valid because cycles. So how come everything up to this point has been a nuanced look at the effects of cycles on our lives but at the end I'm just a slave to them? That makes no fucking sense even if I agree to frame the story in that bullshit way. It's a huge thematic 180'. And like I say, it's bullshit. There are far more important themes than 'cycles'.
So the ending demonstrates that mankind is doomed to repeat its history, to always suffer the same fate in its turn no matter what they may choose. Having three identical endings drives home the futility of contradicting cycles (fate). WHAT THE FUCK??? Does that sound like Mass Effect to anyone? What the hell games have you been playing since 2007? Look, this shit needs to be consistent in it's message or my brain starts coming out of my ears.
I love how people who want to not get cynical, insulting garbage shat out to sell DLC are the ones who are killing stories. Not the defenders of cynical, insulting garbage shat out to sell DLC. And why? Because if we complain when we are made to choke down a fat load of shit, creators will forever be servants to some kind of mob rule. Even though that has never happened, ever, not in one instance, and even though companies fix their fuck-ups all the goddamn time and it has never been a fucking issue, ever. But that is the rule that applies to THIS instance, but no other, because this is the instance that I want it to apply, because it allows me to affect histrionics and scream bloody-murder at people I don't agree with.
They obviously pumped out some awful pretentious bullshit hoping idiots would think it was 'deep'. It's not really shameful to get fooled by that, but to defend it in such an over-the-top insane manner makes me wonder what they would have to do before Hulk will realize it's shit.
FUCKING CAPS LOCK. I GET IT. HE'S THE HULK. INTENTIONALLY HARD TO READ IS STILL HARD TO READ.
I also am not surprised he chose a bad video to beat up on, as if to admit he cannot contend with the better arguments that explain why the ending was a huge load. He even beats up straw-man versions of the bad video. Way to pick the low-hanging fruit. And then there is vague remonstrance about the times we live in. Fucking *yawn*.
Oh great, and then the creators right to create what they want is conflated with a supposed right to charge for pure dog shit and not get called out for it.
Cycles, cycles, cycles, cycles, cycles. Nothing you say is valid because cycles. So how come everything up to this point has been a nuanced look at the effects of cycles on our lives but at the end I'm just a slave to them? That makes no fucking sense even if I agree to frame the story in that bullshit way. It's a huge thematic 180'. And like I say, it's bullshit. There are far more important themes than 'cycles'.
So the ending demonstrates that mankind is doomed to repeat its history, to always suffer the same fate in its turn no matter what they may choose. Having three identical endings drives home the futility of contradicting cycles (fate). WHAT THE FUCK??? Does that sound like Mass Effect to anyone? What the hell games have you been playing since 2007? Look, this shit needs to be consistent in it's message or my brain starts coming out of my ears.
I love how people who want to not get cynical, insulting garbage shat out to sell DLC are the ones who are killing stories. Not the defenders of cynical, insulting garbage shat out to sell DLC. And why? Because if we complain when we are made to choke down a fat load of shit, creators will forever be servants to some kind of mob rule. Even though that has never happened, ever, not in one instance, and even though companies fix their fuck-ups all the goddamn time and it has never been a fucking issue, ever. But that is the rule that applies to THIS instance, but no other, because this is the instance that I want it to apply, because it allows me to affect histrionics and scream bloody-murder at people I don't agree with.
Sweet straw man. But beside that, this is not something you would apply generally if it did not just happen to benefit your histrionic panic attack in this one instance. Art is a hell-of-a-lot more than that. Everything he said about the indulgent nature of bullshit or the indulgence of whatever is just sophistry. I don't know how to rebut something that means nothing except 'you're wrong cuz you're wrong'. "True art never indulges" is bullshit. I hardly feel I need to explain why. But I will offer the following rebuttal: 'almost everything that is widely recognized as art, including, say, the Mona Lisa.'
They obviously pumped out some awful pretentious bullshit hoping idiots would think it was 'deep'. It's not really shameful to get fooled by that, but to defend it in such an over-the-top insane manner makes me wonder what they would have to do before Hulk will realize it's shit.
FUCKING CAPS LOCK. I GET IT. HE'S THE HULK. INTENTIONALLY HARD TO READ IS STILL HARD TO READ.
There is nothing wrong with liking something. However, when someone tries to defend something that is such complete and utter scheit, that the entire argument is one big strawman, than I lose all respect for the poster.tautologico said:
Hulk should have just said: "I like it.", and leave it at that.