Humans are a disgusting breed

[setvak]

Any history class could give you much worse examples that have occurred over the world, on a much larger scale.

As a great man once said, we're a virus with shoes.

 

[Explosm]

I read the rules, Doesnt say anything about racism.

Please tell me you are kidding, racism isn't tolerated on the escapist or anywhere for that matter, it goes without saying.

Exactly, it does go without saying. WITHOUT SAYING

 

[Dele]

Neither the first nor the last of atrocities faced by fellow human being on their journey. Every second somebody is raped, mutilated, tortured or killed in someplace far or near. Some are more or less accidents or actions of self-perceived necessity, some or done 'just for fun'.
Luckily we are mostly ignorant of the millions of cruel fates that surround our day to day life.

You can only ignore such atrocities or accept that they happen all around you. If you dwell in such depressing thoughts, you will never find happiness but only continued pain and misery.

 

[Dr.Poisonfreak]

Snipty-snip-snip

Ironic how two of the papers are politically biased or just for the lower working class.

*Cough* [small]Evening Star[/small] *Cough* [small]The Express[/small]

OT: We have weapons and self defence laws for a reason. Arseholes deserve the harmful side of the weapon if they begin to do the described.

Politically biased or not the story in question is still horrific, i dislike the thought of the death penalty, but am willing to accept life sentence for these bastards as suitable punishment

 

[cuddly_tomato]

The article in the op made the news because it was so unusual. Most people aren't like that. Those kinds of things shock me into knowing just how brutal, savage, and sociopathic some humans are but they don't make me think humans as a whole are a disgusting breed.

No, the reason I believe humans are a disgusting breed is when I read about all the welfare cuts they are going to make or about how 'the taxpayers' are demanding that people in prison be fed raw potato to save money.

 

[Legion]

The article in the op made the news because it was so unusual. Most people aren't like that. Those kinds of things shock me into knowing just how brutal, savage, and sociopathic some humans are but they don't make me think humans as a whole are a disgusting breed.

No, the reason I believe humans are a disgusting breed is when I read about all the welfare cuts they are going to make or about how 'the taxpayers' are demanding that people in prison be fed raw potato to save money.

Off-Topic, but Welcome Back by the way.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

No, the reason I believe humans are a disgusting breed is when I read about all the welfare cuts they are going to make or about how 'the taxpayers' are demanding that people in prison be fed raw potato to save money.

...I don't see how that's a problem.
They're prisoners.
We shouldn't be spending money on them at all.

Compassion. Try it. And yes, apply it even to those without it, or it isn't true compassion.

Off-Topic, but Welcome Back by the way.

Thank thee kindly.

 

[thest3alth]

Add these stories to the list of the totally f*cked up stuff that happens in the UK.

English people are so savage, it's an embarrassment to be English

 

[Legion]

No, the reason I believe humans are a disgusting breed is when I read about all the welfare cuts they are going to make or about how 'the taxpayers' are demanding that people in prison be fed raw potato to save money.

...I don't see how that's a problem.
They're prisoners.
We shouldn't be spending money on them at all.

Compassion. Try it. And yes, apply it even to those without it, or it isn't true compassion.

I am somewhat in the middle with this one. I think that anyone convicted of pre-meditated murder or something just as bad should face extremely tough punishment, but if you are going to keep them alive in a cell then they should be given the basics at least: Nutritious (if plain and somewhat cheap) food, clean water and somewhere to sleep, or else we are as bad as them.

However no way in hell should prisoners have access to televisions, computer games or anything that can be deemed as 'entertainment'. Books are fine because they can be gotten from anywhere cheaply, and do not cost continuous amounts of energy/money to keep going.

They should be treated humanely, but should be shown no sympathy or given anything that could make them think of their time as anything but a punishment.

Off-Topic, but Welcome Back by the way.

Thank thee kindly.

You are welcome.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Compassion. Try it. And yes, apply it even to those without it, or it isn't true compassion.

That's a dirty word and I'll thank you not to use it around me.

But seriously, no.
For starters, I wouldn't even know how to feel empathy, let alone compassion.
For seconders, prisoners are generally people in name only.
Admittedly, some of them aren't that awful - thieves and whatnot - but the majority probably are.

That is the problem - as soon as you start saying that certain people are "people in name only" you are on a very slippery slope that leads to the kind of shit mentioned in the op. To those scum who beat up that kid, they were picking on a computer geek, someone who wasn't worth their compassion or empathy. To the idiots who decided Guantanamo bay was a good idea, the people interned their were not really people as worthwhile as them, so were quite happy to treat them like livestock.

I personally think compassion is the most important quality of humans. Without it, humans become disgusting.

No, the reason I believe humans are a disgusting breed is when I read about all the welfare cuts they are going to make or about how 'the taxpayers' are demanding that people in prison be fed raw potato to save money.

...I don't see how that's a problem.
They're prisoners.
We shouldn't be spending money on them at all.

Compassion. Try it. And yes, apply it even to those without it, or it isn't true compassion.

I am somewhat in the middle with this one. I think that anyone convicted of pre-meditated murder or something just as bad should face extremely tough punishment, but if you are going to keep them alive in a cell then they should be given the basics at least: Nutritious (if plain and somewhat cheap) food, clean water and somewhere to sleep, or else we are as bad as them.

However no way in hell should prisoners have access to televisions, computer games or anything that can be deemed as 'entertainment'. Books are fine because they can be gotten from anywhere cheaply, and do not cost continuous amounts of energy/money to keep going.

They should be treated humanely, but should be shown no sympathy or given anything that could make them think of their time as anything but a punishment.

I would say that such things as computer games, TVs etc should depend on the severity of the crime. The scum mentioned in the article in the op, for instance, should be given a clean room, clean and constant access to water, all medication they need and decent food. But it stops there. For someone who was stealing in order to feed themselves, give them an education in prison and a few luxuries if they demonstrate they are intending to make a go of things.

The point I really want to make, and the question I want to ask in general (not directly to you because I know you didn't say this) is this - is sociopathy an appropriate response to a sociopath? What those people did was disgusting. Is demanding they be tortured to death any less disgusting?

 

[VanityGirl]

What's wrong with England? I've seen a lot of stories about this kind of thing coming out of there.
Maybe Americans and other countries don't post their news stories enough, but it seems like England's got a real problem with crime. More specifically, England's got a real problem with people getting beat up and murdered.

I still remember the story someone posted of the young boys killing a baby. =\ Makes me worried.

 

[formosa]

Only because natural selection was phased out, 99.9% here wouldn't be alive.

I am really happy with your opinion. Now I will just take my fathers gun and go outside and give a helping hand to Darwins law. It should be quite fun and I already have an excuse. Thank you so much.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

The point I really want to make, and the question I want to ask in general (not directly to you because I know you didn't say this) is this - is sociopathy an appropriate response to a sociopath? What those people did was disgusting. Is demanding they be tortured to death any less disgusting?

It's not sociopathy, it's sadism.

And it's comfortable to think that only sociopaths or similarly fucked up individuals could do horrible things, but you know that's not true.

I do know that isn't true, however I do think there is a tendancy for people today to "wash their hands" of events and situations that they either don't feel involved with, or feel that another person has brought upon themselves. Prisons are filled with the utter dregs of humanity, but in the end they are run by us. How we treat the people there and how we deal with the problems they cause reflects directly on us as a society.

I could never do what was described in the op. Similarly I would never want the state to do it in my name. We have people in this thread (not you I know) talking about neutering them and killing them, "if you are tortured you should be tortured" etc. That would make us, as a society, and indeed make me, responsible for torture, murder, and castration of people.

I understand with a case like this emotions are running high but still... I say we should endevour to show our best in the face of evil, not become evil ourselves.

EDIT:Read the post after mine for an example.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

If these guys get thrown in a Mexican jail, beaten within an inch of their lives, or executed, then all is right with the world. But then again, I think we should still have Medieval torture methods as our primary form of punishment. Want to stop pedophiles? Chop their hands and wing-wang off! Want to stop Robbery? Chop their hands off! Want to stop murder? Kill them back!

See? It's very simple.

And no, I don't mean burn the witches and segregate the Jews, I mean punish modern laws with ancient methods. Sort of like what China does now.

 

[elilupe]

I'd already lost all faith in Humanity, but this stamped it just that bit further into the dirt.

with my opinion sharing yours, i am thinking of moving to wales, the crime rate there is ridiculously low compared to crappy England

But they will EAT YOU!