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I would like to think we wouldn't invade first that is if the alien we intend to invade are a peaceful race.

The only time I would see us to invade first is that the said alien to invade pose as a threat to humanity in some way (don't asked me on what the said threat is as it can be anything) and we were fully confidence at winning or had at least fully study the strength and weaknesses of that alien race.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
So: Humans are the Alien invaders. How would you interpret this?
We did this already, it was called Avatar.

But in any case, I see the entire concept as just another silly extreme. The most likely scenario humanity would find themselves in in any sci-fi setting made real is irrelevance. The idea that we would be the focal point of aggression or the causers both implies we are important, and I simply don't believe we are. Boy, and I bet you thought us as the conquerors was a rare trope. Seeing us not matter in the grand scheme of things is far less used an idea then us as the aggressors, and honestly far more likely.
We are also simply too xenophobic a species to want to get involved in offworld affairs, or cooperate with other alien species. We can't even tolerate different cultures or skin colors here, how the hell are we going to tolerate anything that is actually different from us on more then just a surface level? We'd likely be too scared to even attack something truly different from us; it'd be like a guy with arachnophobia willfully going into his dark, webbed garage to combat a hoard of tarantulas with a broom. Not happening.

The truth of the matter is, when we go to war on earth, we know full well we are up against other people. People we can understand, people we can relate to. Yeah we paint them out to be monsters, but that's the conscious mind at work. Subconsciously we know a bunker full of terrorists in a desert is a bunker full of people, and that makes it easier to attack them whether people want to admit that or not.
 

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xPixelatedx said:
Soviet Heavy said:
So: Humans are the Alien invaders. How would you interpret this?
Boy, and I bet you thought us as the conquerors was a rare trope.
Gee, who would have thought that humans being conquerors was a common theme? certainly not me. Also, not the point. You did provide your interpretation, but I wasn't intending to look like I was riding on a huge brainwave with this concept. It's common enough, but I wanted to bring the discussion up here, since I enjoyed the group brainstorming that erupted from the 4Chan thread. Different interpretations, new ideas, the oldest stories told in the newest ways. It's for fun, buddy.
 

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I'm not entirely sure if this is correct but that sounds an awful lot like a book series by Alan Dean Foster. The trilogy was called The Damned I think.
The individual books are A Call to Arms, The False Mirror and The Spoils of War.
That was it, thanks, for that.
I wasn't ever able to finish the series due to real life issues, at least now I can find them again.
 
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Warachia said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
Warachia said:
I'm not entirely sure if this is correct but that sounds an awful lot like a book series by Alan Dean Foster. The trilogy was called The Damned I think.
The individual books are A Call to Arms, The False Mirror and The Spoils of War.
That was it, thanks, for that.
No problem. They're pretty decent books and I'm glad to see someone else of the escapist that has read them.
 

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From the office of Senator Th'rsesh, military liaison to the Omari High Council:
One planet. Just one planet, in some distant arm of the galaxy. On a galactic scale, this is a species that is by all accounts extinct. They are individually small and their prowess varies wildly between incompetent and lethal. They rely on a careful mixture of gases to breath, which is exceedingly rare on our worlds. They routinely poison themselves to destabilize their inner chemistry in an attempt to push their bodies further. When not fighting others, they just as quickly turn on themselves to fuel their lust for conflict. Humans embrace self destruction and violence as part of their very nature. They are a blip, a mere footnote in galactic history.

HOW ARE WE LOSING THIS WAR?
From the office of Operative Xelden'Neroth, Chief Military Intelligence Analyzer to the Omari High Council:
Senator, I must inform you that you vastly underestimate the carbon-based lifeforms known as "Humanity". While all our information states that your assessment of their weaknesses and flaws is correct, you have neglected to consider the military strengths of this species. I have a number of deep-cover operatives that have been sending reports to me from their time spent on the Human homeworld called Earth, and these reports indicate some very troubling things. Specifically: almost their entire history has been based upon conflict. They've spent centuries - perhaps even millenia committing acts of bloody violence and war upon one another. Suffice to say that if war were a form of art, this species would be unparalleled masters. It is true that the lowest of the species are slovenly, lazy oafs who haven't any notion or care to keep themselves healthy, but those aren't what we're fighting. We're fighting their military, which is by far filled with the deadliest minds and bodies that species has to offer. When focused on a single goal, Human soldiers and operatives execute plans and strategies with a remarkable cunning that utterly betrays their seeming simplemindedness. Almost all of their technology is in someway derived from what was originally military technology. Where-as our society was founded upon domestic affairs meant to improve quality of life with military applications following technological advancement, their society specifically seeks out new ways to kill, new technologies to make war more efficient, and any benefits that technology can offer to the rest of society comes afterwards.

You asked how we are losing this war, Senator, and I must tell you that while we're in a fight for our very lives, many Humans literally find war to be a game.
:p

Joking response aside, my own thoughts on the matter is that we'd likely go with something we know: Star Trek. I'd imagine that any kind of deep space exploration/colonization would require some form of united earth government, or some kind of Space UN like The Alliance in the Mass Effect universe. This body would likely pass very strict laws and protocols regarding any potential interaction with alien species. Quite honestly: I simply don't think we as a species have the balls to be evil galactic tyrants unless this potential unified government was headed by a tyrannical dictator. We'd likely be too afraid to piss off any potential alien race, worried that they'd come back and kick our ass since part of human nature is being fearful of the unknown. So my guess would be that any potential unified space government would pass strict "Leave'em the fuck alone!" laws with regards to encountering alien species.
 

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The way humanity works now, we don't care about our own why would we give a fig for an alien race on a different planet in a different solar system. Were we on or above another races technology level we would make a very very dangerous enemy.

I was looking at a list of large human conflicts on wiki and while I do like history etc, especially WWII the number of people killed in it is truly shocking.
 

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Bertylicious said:
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I always liked the idea of humanity absolutely scaring the shit out of alien races.

Just the idea of their evolution being slow and "peaceful" compared to humanity's leaps and bounds thanks in part to conflict, but also the sheer stubbornness of our species sending chills up their spine is pretty funny to think about.
There was a story (Can't remember the name) about a war between aliens and humanity. The Aliens started it, but almost immediately the humans were assaulting the aliens worlds.

The aliens couldn't die - when they were killed, their consciousness was transferred to another body. They assumed humans were the same for years.

When they found out this was the case, the collectively shit themselves in terror. Death was cheap to them, but humans were descending onto their planets on tiny drop ships that they shot down in droves. They were killing hundreds of thousands of human beings, for good. And the fact that a race of people would willingly stare down oblivion just for a chance to shoot one of them in the face was terrifying.
Wasn't that "Forever War"? If I recall correctly, the war was perpetuated by the military industrial complex and only ended when huamnity became a cloned race with a gestalt consiousness; the same as their foes.

OP: Humanity would be the invader if the aliens were percieved to be weaker than us and either had something we wanted or weren't doing something we wanted them to do. That's what we do amongst ourselves, afterall.
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I'm very curious about this story/book as well. So if anyone knows what it is please tell us.
It might be Ender's Game, though that idea of 'reckless, staring death in the face' humanity has since become something of a sci-fi trope.
The Buggers (wince) have a Hive Mind, and it's revealed that the end of the defensive war comes about when the humans kill the only queen in the bug fleet. The bugs don't even defend the queen because they can't conceive that anyone would do something so horrifying as to kill a concious being - having assumed that human soldiers were mindless drones like theirs.
And then they basically go "Oh Fuck!" when they realise that we'd been willingly sending fully self-aware soldiers to die in their millions, and are about to counterattack.

In the Forever War the Taurans are also a mental collective, but the twist there is simply that
the humans fired first, whereas the millenia long wartime propaganda and brainwashing had painted the Taurans as the aggressors - despite the fact that they were completely peaceful and actually had to re-learn how to fight in the face of human aggression.
You got the ending right though - it's when humans go all collective consciousness that they're able to negotiate meaningfully with the Taurans
 

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From the office of Operative Xelden'Neroth, Chief Military Intelligence Analyzer to the Omari High Council:
Senator, I must inform you that you vastly underestimate the carbon-based lifeforms known as "Humanity". While all our information states that your assessment of their weaknesses and flaws is correct, you have neglected to consider the military strengths of this species. I have a number of deep-cover operatives that have been sending reports to me from their time spent on the Human homeworld called Earth, and these reports indicate some very troubling things. Specifically: almost their entire history has been based upon conflict. They've spent centuries - perhaps even millenia committing acts of bloody violence and war upon one another. Suffice to say that if war were a form of art, this species would be unparalleled masters. It is true that the lowest of the species are slovenly, lazy oafs who haven't any notion or care to keep themselves healthy, but those aren't what we're fighting. We're fighting their military, which is by far filled with the deadliest minds and bodies that species has to offer. When focused on a single goal, Human soldiers and operatives execute plans and strategies with a remarkable cunning that utterly betrays their seeming simplemindedness. Almost all of their technology is in someway derived from what was originally military technology. Where-as our society was founded upon domestic affairs meant to improve quality of life with military applications following technological advancement, their society specifically seeks out new ways to kill, new technologies to make war more efficient, and any benefits that technology can offer to the rest of society comes afterwards.

You asked how we are losing this war, Senator, and I must tell you that while we're in a fight for our very lives, many Humans literally find war to be a game.
:p
When you put it like this, we end up sounding almost like Orks! O_O
 

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xPixelatedx said:
Soviet Heavy said:
So: Humans are the Alien invaders. How would you interpret this?
We did this already, it was called Avatar.
I was waiting for someone to point this out.

So in that case it was "Money DOES grow on trees there! Let's chop down that big one! Screw the aliens living in them, we have guns!" which, sad to say, I wouldn't be too surprised by. I forget the monetary value they gave it but it was worth a bomb. I can see politicians and world leaders authorizing that if it was worth enough. Especially if they were racing to it... which may well lead to wars amongst ourselves both on Earth and the alien planet we found stuff on.

What would be a much more interesting concept is basically the same as Avatar but "This new alien mineral cures cancer". I imagine the general populace would be more divided on that moral dilemma.
 

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RJ 17 said:
From the office of Operative Xelden'Neroth, Chief Military Intelligence Analyzer to the Omari High Council:
Senator, I must inform you that you vastly underestimate the carbon-based lifeforms known as "Humanity". While all our information states that your assessment of their weaknesses and flaws is correct, you have neglected to consider the military strengths of this species. I have a number of deep-cover operatives that have been sending reports to me from their time spent on the Human homeworld called Earth, and these reports indicate some very troubling things. Specifically: almost their entire history has been based upon conflict. They've spent centuries - perhaps even millenia committing acts of bloody violence and war upon one another. Suffice to say that if war were a form of art, this species would be unparalleled masters. It is true that the lowest of the species are slovenly, lazy oafs who haven't any notion or care to keep themselves healthy, but those aren't what we're fighting. We're fighting their military, which is by far filled with the deadliest minds and bodies that species has to offer. When focused on a single goal, Human soldiers and operatives execute plans and strategies with a remarkable cunning that utterly betrays their seeming simplemindedness. Almost all of their technology is in someway derived from what was originally military technology. Where-as our society was founded upon domestic affairs meant to improve quality of life with military applications following technological advancement, their society specifically seeks out new ways to kill, new technologies to make war more efficient, and any benefits that technology can offer to the rest of society comes afterwards.

You asked how we are losing this war, Senator, and I must tell you that while we're in a fight for our very lives, many Humans literally find war to be a game.
:p
When you put it like this, we end up sounding almost like Orks! O_O
Well...it's kinda sad but kinda true: our society as humans is a society that's built upon blood and conflict. It's what we do best. I mean, I'm a conservative who's pro-gun rights and pro-military, but I can still see the faults of the human race. As I mentioned in my little "skit" (for lack of a better word), a LOT of our technological advances were first made as military technology and then adapted to general society. Really the only reason aliens would kick our asses if they ever came here first would because you'd have to assume they'd have far greater military technology than us purely on the basis of the fact that they've mastered interstellar travel, something that with our current understanding of physics and technology is nothing more than a pipe-dream.
 

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I know this is an old thread but found it doing some random internet searching. Here's my 2 cents...

I read a book some years ago called First Born. It was the third in a series and could have stood alone as its own book.

***Spoiler Alert***

So in it an unknown alien species attacks earth. They were so advanced, they used their probes (or something like probes) to cause the sun to have a solar storm. This way it would wide out most if not all the life on earth and leave the resources. Humans with the help of our early AI, develop a solar shield that protects most of earth. This was from the previous 2 books I believe. In First Born humans fear another attack so we start to boost up our science and space technologies in case they come back. We essentially have an anti-mater factory in the form of a particle collider that spans the moon (sorry just liked this idea, lol). With all the countries working together we create our first interstellar ship with an anti-mater drive. The feared day comes when our satellites pick up a slow moving object moving through our system. This was the aliens 2nd phase if the solar storm didn't work. It was a quantum bomb, cant remember how but they determine it would implode earth. Some time in the book we find out the alien had attack the system a very long time ago. The first attack was against the martians, unfortunately for them they weren't able to create a defense for the first solar storm (also causes the dinosaurs extinction). Again cant remember how, but they figure out why the alien are attacking. It's very simple... to be the last surviving species, you need all the resources you can get. The more intelligent species out there using them up means less for yours. If human were to become the invaders it would probably be fore a reason close to this.
 

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I remember a book series that sort of had this theme, the idea was there were two alien factions, one that thought everyone should have their individuality destroyed and their minds manipulated so that they'd all work toward the same goals, and the other was for free will.
The free will side was slightly losing and were looking to recruit more aliens to fight alongside them, then they come across humanity who quickly find that apparently the alien war is literally the easiest to win war in history, because the aliens would not take any risks at all, they have not bulletproof windows overlooking the battlefield but the attackers wouldn't shoot because that would give away your position and then you might get shot, neither side wants to use WMD's (and the mind control side flat out refuses) and neither side built any defences for weapons they know the other won't use against them.
So the freewill side recruits humanity, then upon nearly winning the war realizes that it was a huge mistake, because humanity starts building its own ships to take resources from space to fund its own war efforts because they aren't going to stop, every nation on earth gets behind fighting a mind controlling alien threat pretty quickly (especially when the aliens invade in what is history's most disastrous invasion), and the first book ends with one of the main aliens wondering how long it'll be before humanity turns on itself again, or if they're going to make war with them (the free will aliens) afterwards.

Incidentally if anybody knows what book series I'm talking about, please tell me the title, I'd like to reread them.
Would you be talking about The Damned [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_Trilogy] trilogy by Alan Dean Foster?
 

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As I mentioned in my little "skit" (for lack of a better word), a LOT of our technological advances were first made as military technology and then adapted to general society.
People really don't tend to realize the truth in that statement. Just take a look around your own house and you'll see it. Microwaves, computers, most of the components in your television, the internet, the list goes on. Hell, a lot of modern technology used in recent generations of communication devices can be directly connected to the war on terror (for better and for worst).
 

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Alan Dean Foster wrote a series called "The Damned" which explored this option as did David Weber (I think) with "The Excalibur Alternative".

(Massive Spoilers for fairly obscure science fiction stories below)

ADF's book wasn't much to my liking because I thought the protagonist was an idiot with no grasp of reality who remained a naïve one note character specifically to provide a counterpoint to the events of the book. The basic plot of "The Damned" was that humanity was as superhuman to aliens as we tend to think of as aliens being to us in science fiction. Basically while pretty smart, the aliens are generally smaller, weaker, etc... and see things even our weakest do easily as being superhuman feats. What's more the aliens are for the most part peaceful, as very few of them developed from predatory species (or otherwise developed on fairly idealic worlds) as a result when they get into an intergalactic war with what amounts to a multi-racial cult of harmony they don't want to join, it's basically galactic slap fighting for all intents and purposes, with only a few races being able to kill. When humans are discovered, being both physically powerful, and having predatory instincts, we're ultimately recruited and sent out to fight in this war in exchange for technology and being uplifted... and to put it bluntly as "the ultimate warrior race" we horrify everyone just by fighting wars more or less normally. This leads to some interesting problems where our allies ultimately start worrying about what happens when the war is over and all the aliens decide to go back to their peaceful little Utopia and leave all of these really dangerous humans now wandering the stars... which turns into predictable plots to kill us off or otherwise planetlock and contain us if I remember. It's been a very long time.

"The Excalibur Alternative" as in a similar vein, it's a spin off from David Drake's "Ranks Of Bronze" it involves a massive interstellar empire ruled by corporations that want to expand onto planets occupied by primitive natives and steal all of their stuff. Being very civilized however this empire won't allow more advanced races to terrorize less advanced species, while also wanting the resources, so their own way of getting around their thousands of year old rules is to basically fight proxy wars, where they find other primitive races to fight for them. So they go running around the galaxy and abducting primitive warriors, enslave them, and then turn them loose on various planets. Some of these aliens find earth and enslave a roman legion which they start carting around to conquer planets for them "within the law", leading another alien to show up to get one of his own only to find that in the "short" span of time humanity has progressed greatly, there are no more Roman legions, but we are in the middle ages with knights and this lovely weapon called the longbow. The aliens abduct an army of these guys and go around conquering different planets. After a few hundred years (scientifically enhanced lifespans) the knights manage to team up with some of the aliens that had also been enslaved, take over the ship, and pretty much head out into space to form their own empire.

The climax of this particular story involves the intergalactic empire realizing humanity is a threat, not only are we super-dangerous fighters (really strong, fast, and predatory) but are also hyper-creative compared to them and outright smarter, developing technology in the span of a few centuries that took them thousands of years, and realizing that as their society has also stagnated we're going to out advance them "quickly" in a couple more centuries. Their solution to this is of course genocide, while humanity is just barely developing it's first few in-system ships. On the eve of our execution at the hands of an alien Armada half a dozen ships decloak and pretty much wreck the entire fleet, turns out it's the knights and their new allies, after they escaped they started developing technology from the "base point" of the alien ship they took over and over a couple hundred years had improved on it greatly while the stagnant aliens hadn't. The knights now have their own little intergalactic coalition which had been hiding, their leader (still alive due to tech) is now basically the leader of this alliance, and they had been debating whether to intervene since there are now far more humans alive elsewhere than on earth, and the aliens control tens of thousands of worlds and their countless numbers where he has maybe five planets (despite the tech difference) but in the end decided to opt for "The Excalibur Alternative" and decided nobody was going to kill his homeworld after preying on his people for soldiers, and while it might be doomed due to simple numbers, he planned to make the entire galaxy burn for attempting this genocide and win or lose, forever more humanity would live on in the galaxy's nightmares....

I read both a long time ago, but conceptually both of them are huge "Humanity: Fuck yeah" concepts.

Warhammer 40k is another one (as others have mentioned). In Warhammer 40k the only reason why anything is a threat to humanity is because of the sequence of events that lead to the corruption of Horus and what amounts to a "long night" where a lot of technology like reliable FTL communications have been lost. In 40k despite a lack of anything resembling wide scale coordination, and with technology a lot of them don't even understand, humanity is fighting a war on like a hundred different fronts and managing to hold. The threats we see in the various "Codex" books are only supposed to be a sampling, the Imperium was made to be so huge and unstoppable in any real sense that they could theoretically introduce any number of enemy armies over the years as the market demanded. Chaos, The Tau, The Necrons, Hive Fleets, even Orks, individually none of it has a chance and fundamentally just picks away at the edges, and if The Imperium ever managed to restore some of it's tech, like FTL communication that didn't require increasingly insane telepaths, and could coordinate on a large scale, it would probably crush all of them combined like ants, even launching a crusade into The Eye that would finish what Horus was supposed to do before he went corrupt.

It should also be noted that some of the material for "Warhammer 40k" implies that humanity does indeed get it's act together and wipe out all of these threats (perhaps civilizing and allying with some of them). A few of the books and such have involved stamps implying they were ancient records from "the dark ages" being looked back on from some far future generation learning about history and the horrors of this period... which implies that despite the pre-amble
in the end it wasn't hopeless at all.

As I said, Warhammer 40k relies on ideas like unreliable communications, information hoarding by various factions, inter-factional fighting, and similar things, and despite that The Imperium is still the central force of the universe, again, stop and think about what it would mean if all of that stopped and you wound up with The Imperium acting with large scale knowledge and coordination, with hoarded tech knowledge being circulated and innovation again taking place. There are some science fiction empires that could potentially handle this (throughout the scope of sci-fi) but not many, I mean at it's height The Imperium apparently had singularity technology as they both have warheads that deliver black holes, and I seem to remember at one point reading how one Chapter Artifact was a spear that has stabilized singularity blades (ie basically a blade shaped black hole on the end of a generation pole). Just imagine if the Imperium regained that kind of tech from the recovered archao-tech and archives, even the bloody Necrons would cower in fear realizing their own inferiority. :)

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Speaking for myself I tend not think of humanity as being all that warlike despite my nihilistic rants. I think a lot of our problems come from too few resources, too many people, and being divided into too many nations and cultures. If we were ever unified into a single nation/culture and kept our population in line with the resources to maintain a high standard of living, I think we'd actually be a fairly peaceful people. As a general rule those who like to kill for the sake of killing and revel in real violence for the sake of violence represent a minority. The simple reaction to some of my posts at times (backed by hard facts and logic) and the way people fight against it sort of makes my point on a lot of levels oddly enough. Despite all the wars and such on Earth (which have come from the things I mention) I could easily see us as a bunch of intergalactic pacifists, and truthfully I'd imagine if we ever became a powerful race, and wars broke our elsewhere, our instincts would actually tend towards isolationism.

Interestingly Larry Niven wrote a huge series of books and short stories called "The Man - Kzin Wars" the premise of which is humanity more or less unifies earth, gives up violence, and is peacefully living in it's own little pacifist utopia. Eventually this race of predatory cat-men that is running around conquering the galaxy finds earth and starts trying to prey on us (starting with stories like how a human captain in an unarmed ship weaponizes his engines despite his instincts when pushed far enough). When the threat becomes known, despite some initial opposition due to all of our work, humanity again arms itself for war, and let's loose all that pent up aggression and warrior instinct we had once reserved for each other on the "poor kitties", leading to epic space warfare between the "Hairless Monkey Boys" and the Furballs". The Kzin being continually surprised at the ferocity of humanity in part because when we were 'discovered' we were basically living as pacifist space hippies (however it's important to note humanity and it's sphere of influence was not low-tech compared to the Kzin, we just hadn't been using that tech for war before that point, so it wasn't like there was a massive increase in tech base in these stories, and indeed the subject of some early ones had to do with humanity building up it's military-industrial complex and re-tooling things for space war... a sort of slumbering juggernaut that wasn't seen as a threat due to the racial demeanor more than anything). You might even say "Man Kzin Wars" was the very first really "Humanity Fuck Yeah!" sci-fi series that took a really "Humans are awesome" view as opposed to portraying a galaxy where even if we're somehow numerous and dominant, we ultimately come up lacking compared to most aliens and their cultures on a small scale.
 

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Therumancer said:
Warhammer 40k is another one (as others have mentioned). In Warhammer 40k the only reason why anything is a threat to humanity is because of the sequence of events that lead to the corruption of Horus and what amounts to a "long night" where a lot of technology like reliable FTL communications have been lost. In 40k despite a lack of anything resembling wide scale coordination, and with technology a lot of them don't even understand, humanity is fighting a war on like a hundred different fronts and managing to hold. The threats we see in the various "Codex" books are only supposed to be a sampling, the Imperium was made to be so huge and unstoppable in any real sense that they could theoretically introduce any number of enemy armies over the years as the market demanded. Chaos, The Tau, The Necrons, Hive Fleets, even Orks, individually none of it has a chance and fundamentally just picks away at the edges, and if The Imperium ever managed to restore some of it's tech, like FTL communication that didn't require increasingly insane telepaths, and could coordinate on a large scale, it would probably crush all of them combined like ants, even launching a crusade into The Eye that would finish what Horus was supposed to do before he went corrupt.
Not true. It's repeatedly stated that Orks might outnumber humans greatly, but they are scattered in innumerable petty empires. The Hive Fleets' full strength is unknown, it is quite likely there exists tyranids enough to destroy the galaxy many times over (instead of just the eastern parts), only a limited number of tyranids have reached our galaxy, so far.

Likewise, the threat of Chaos can't simply be fought by armies, the Eye of Terror cannot be conquered because the Imperium can't go in there, and even if all chaos creatures were to die overnight, the chaos gods would go around corrupting new people. Having said that, the forces in the EoT were driven there in defeat by a greatly weakened Imperium, they shouldn't be able to pose the sort of threat they do. The Necrons, or rather the C'tan, pose a similar threat.

Originally, the galaxy was likely to be overrun by chaos, any victory against them was merely temporary. Then it was likely that the tyranids woulds eat everyone first, and chaos would be starved into nothingness. Then the C'tan were going to eat everything instead, with much the same result.

It's been said that humanity might stand a chance to win in the dim distant future, it's also been said that it assuredly would not, in the long term. I don't remember it ever being said (outside stuff from the PoV of Imperial fanatics and the like) that it's victory was anything like assured.

OTOH, the Tau are nothing, and the Dark Eldar don't even pretend to be anything (one of the things I like about them, they are just there, but of no real importance in the scheme of things). The Eldar, likewise, are generally either just there scraping by, or know they've lost and hope the Imperium smartens up and is a worthy successor.

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Therumancer said:
I mean at it's height The Imperium apparently had singularity technology as they both have warheads that deliver black holes, and I seem to remember at one point reading how one Chapter Artifact was a spear that has stabilized singularity blades (ie basically a blade shaped black hole on the end of a generation pole). Just imagine if the Imperium regained that kind of tech from the recovered archao-tech and archives, even the bloody Necrons would cower in fear realizing their own inferiority. :)
Not black holes, "void" stuff, which basically through you into the warp.

And they went and mucked up the machine god by saying the C'tan Dragon was behind it all anyway.