Humans can't evolve.

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Alex_P

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List of things that are exponentially quicker and more efficient than trying to breed "better" people:
- Artificially modifying our genes.
- Artificially modifying our bodies (without needing to muck with our genes).
- Creating machines that do shit for us.
- Better educational techniques (both for parents and schools).
- Better access to education.
- Better nutrition, especially during early childhood.
- A culture that just plain encourages learning.
... <- Here is there I got bored.

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Jandau

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Humanity is evolving as we speak. You just don't get to see the results in the few decades you get to be alive ;)
 

johnman

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OutlawV said:
johnman said:
Dele said:
johnman said:
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Our next step in evolution will propably be the better use of abundant energy many of us have on our weist. I vote for more brain power
The brain evolving even more would be the worst thing possible for humanity. read a book called the Andromeda strain. Its talks of how inefficent the brain is and how greedy for the bodys energy it is. It makes a reference to humanity possibly becoming exctinct as ours brains become so engery hungry we can no longer support them with limited reasources in the future.
Who says that we will have limited resources in the future?
Well we are running out of oil pretty fast.....
Boy am I glad I had my brain converted to run on porn steam.
I hear that! Soon the human race will be dependant on tube 8 / coal
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Kukul said:
Doug said:
Kukul said:
Yup, mankind is pretty much doomed for stagnation and extinction.
At least as long as christianity and socialism is around.
Again, let me point out that this is the time rapid mutations occur. When times are tough, mutations are normally killed off quite rapidly unless they are directly beneficial. Not sure what Christianity has to do with anything though.
Christianity and socialism both praise weakness and pity. There is no natural selection when people claim that everyone with genetic disorders and everyone who failed at life should live long enough to spread their genes and their treatment/social care should be paid for with tax money.
It's a road to nowhere.
Well, that's a pile of wank if ever I saw any.

You know what it is that Christianity and socialism really have in common? They both, at a fundamental level, believe that we're all in for the long haul together, and therefore we should all look out for each another. What you call praising weakness and pity, I (and I'd like to think most other people) would simply call doing the right thing. Human beings are not solitary animals like tigers or sharks. We made our way out of the caves and into civilisation by banding together and supporting each other. We are social creatures in every way, from the way we raise our families to the way we build our towns and cities.

Christianity does not praise weakness. At its core, it simply encourages its practitioners to show empathy and charity. That is not the same thing, nor is it anything to be ashamed of. It's simply a case of do as you would be done by. If you don't extend any help to the needy and less fortunate, then why should you expect any sympathy if one day you yourself are brought low? When you're living on the streets, scrounging for enough food to make it through the day, I bet those Salvation Army soup stations start to look mighty fine indeed.

To address the OP: Morals and ethics do not get in the way of progress. They are progress. The single greatest leap humanity ever made is when it looked and managed, for the first time, to differentiate between right and wrong. This is something that has become intertwined with every facet of our humanity. Every thought we have, every feeling of love, sympathy, anger, hate and pity is borne out of what we feel to be good and right, and what we feel to be wrong.


Everyone here is talking about evolution, genes, and all that crap, but at the end of the day I just see one thing on this thread. People using quasi-science to make themselves feel like part of the secret elite, not a member of the unwashed, uneducated masses. This isn't about the biology of evolution. It's prole-bashing. The OP himself uses the term 'inferior humans' quite happily. I'd happily bet money that every single person who argues that only the intelligent, the athletic and the worthy should be allowed to breed would also be the first to state how important it is that they themselves should be allowed to spread their seed. Those who argue we shouldn't waste money saving those with genetic defects never think about the possibilities that they may one day have cancer. They create a creepy fantasy that has no basis on fact or truth. Intelligent people can be born of stupid parents. Stupid people can be born of intelligent parents.

If you really want the human race to start improving, maybe it's time to stop all slamming all the cripples, the hobos, and the poor, and maybe start thinking about ways you yourself can make society a better place to live in.
Here here!

I was about to make a big care-post, but you beat me.
 

TwistedEllipses

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Okay I have two more things to add:

1. I can't state this enough. Evolution is not directional, there is not some grand scheme which it is pushing towards
2. Humans are not the height of evolution, just like the sun doesn't orbit the earth. Nothing is more evolved than anything else. Creatures can be more adapted to their environment, but we're actually relatively weak outside of our false environment and without tools, so we're not that either.
3. their are two mechanisms driving evolution. One of them is natural selection, the other is sexual selection. The grand objective is to reproduce, if you fail at this you automatically fall out of the gene pool, you play no more part in driving evolution. It's harsh but its true.
 

Arsen

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Since having a disease makes you "idiotic"...

Seriously, people use the term "intelligent" subjectively. Information and knowledge can evolve, however human beings cannot.
 

Lukeje

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Eggo said:
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And even if it did, evolution doesn't matter when you have civilization.
Source?
Here are the two biggest ones:

1) People having children despite not being the most fit examples of their species. And more importantly, it's okay.
This seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Until we know exactly what it is that humans look for in a mate, we can't say that those that are breeding aren't the most 'fit' examples of their species (I seem to remember reading an article a while back about how humans seem to pick mates that would allow for the greatest genetic variation; something to do with pheremones).
2) Modern healthcare
I'll admit that modern healthcare does allow people to have offspring when they shouldn't technically be able to (60 year-old women giving birth and so forth), but there's still evolution. Evolution =/= natural selection. We're on an 'evolutionary plateau' that allows for a massive range of genetic variation to be tolerated (and there's supposedly some evidence that our large brains developed exactly because of this plateau; when you don't have to 'compete' with nature any more, all the energy that would have been expended has to go somewhere...).

Who knows what the human race will be like in a million years time (although the likelihood of us not making it that far is depressingly large).

Edit: Finally Gone Gonzo! Wahey...
 

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You sound a lot like Hitler. In theory, this idea would work, but you'd have to murder a crapload of people. Also, where is the cut-off between "intelligent" and "average"?
 

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hypothetical fact said:
I post this knowing full well that I will be flamed/banned but just know that when you whine your loss of faith in humanity, it is because you don't support forced breeding.
Oh wow! Look at you! A full out martyr, saving the world by spreading a message that will drastically change our entire way of life!

And this is a crap idea because the changed would not matter anyway. There are a million more efficient ways to improve our existence, such as altering our antibiotic usage. And besides, you would not be changing humans, you would only be changing the FREQUENCY of a certain trait. And over thousands of years, no one would care anyway.
 

cuddly_tomato

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hypothetical fact said:
The public won't approve because ethics and morals are geting in the way of progress; progress which could be easily made if we stop letting people breed with who ever they want rather than who is best for humanity.

I post this knowing full well that I will be flamed/banned but just know that when you whine your loss of faith in humanity, it is because you don't support forced breeding.
Stalin much?
 

TwistedEllipses

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Your appendix [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiform_appendix] begs to disagree.

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I think the fool who started this thread was talking about here and now but that is a good point to raise. From the last ice age we've lost a lot of body hair too...
 

Ezekel

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Kukul said:
We should cooperate and care for each other, but we shouldn't encourage laziness with (excessive) social care and worship submission and humility in churches. We should praise strenght, individuality, knowledge and progress, not safety, obedience, comfort and mediocrity. Organised religion enslaves the mind and socialism cripples the will. Only a free man can achieve something truly great. Or since we are on gaming forum :) "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
Socialism and Christianity are both ideologies based on the idea of slaves and masters, not cooperating free men.
Anything can enslave the mind, I don't know why you have chosen Christianity and socialism as examples. I would also like you to point out where in Christian doctrine it makes a slave to anything. Nothing wrong with socialism either, as long as it is the people doing it and not the government.