Humans in rpgs

[StriderShinryu]

This thread is starting to remind me of the rather awesome television show "Deadliest Warrior"

If you haven't watched it, you should. They even do an episode on Knights (Vs. Pirates of all things)

 

[number4096]

Can i ask you to review Devil May Cry?Or do you already have your opinion of it?

About what you just said,have you heard of someone who managed to beat three or more people in a single encounter?Assuming the opponents were properly armed and trained?Someone real?Who doesn't heap abuse on damsel reality?(I think i am stuck on your review of Sengoku Basara,even Yahtzee never made me laugh that much in all of his videos combined.)

 

[number4096]

SakSak,which games that you and damsel reality liked?

I might give them a look.

 

[number4096]

SakSak,which melee weapons do you think would work against:

-a bear

-an elephant

-a whale

This is taking into account that you are alone,it has rabies,and you have only one melee weapon at your disposable and nothing else.What weapon would a trained warrior use?

 

[Zacharine]

bout what you just said,have you heard of someone who managed to beat three or more people in a single encounter?

That's just it: I have never heard of anyone do that without use of modern firearms or so many advantages that it's not even funny.

My kickboxing trainer? If I and any other of my classmates take him on in a full-contact spar, we give him a hard time. Sure, we take more punches, but we give back good as well. If any of us were armed and going for a kill... Me and any friend would get some damage in even by the two of us, before getting gutted. Same for the rest of the class. He would simply be overwhelmed.

Which games that you and damsel reality liked?

Realism and fun rarely go hand in hand when it comes to games.
Fighting games? none.
FPS? Operation flashpoint. And Painkiller
Strategy? Total war- series (except the latest, the Empire:TW). Hearts of Iron. Close Combat. Company of Heroes.

Really, that's the vein it continues in. There aren't just that many games out there that deal with person to person combat in any way real manner.

Doesn't mean there aren't fun ones....

 

[Grand_Arcana]

This is something Grand_Arcana had linked earlier on the thread,i've readed it all.

I want to know what do you think this article got wrong.

If your going to speak the Devil's name please keep in mind what was actually in the article. There was a 12 on 1 fight yes, but that one guy was running around in circles, not charging in and taking names. His students did not make any attempt of teamwork or coordination when fighting him, so when their poor formation broke up, he capitalized on their weakness. Had the 12 of them calmly lined up, with the most skilled fighters at the flanks, and marched towards him, he would have lost. That is what tactics are: using the environment and cooperating with your allies.

That is why I choose that essay to counter your Dynasty Warrior video: Zhao Yun should have ran with his tail between his legs, because it is entirely unrealistic for one man to fight off an entire army of disciplined warriors. If physics and the limits of the human body are in play, he'd take down six people at the most generous.

 

[Zacharine]

SakSak,which melee weapons do you think would work against:

-a bear

-an elephant

-a whale

This is taking into account that you are alone,it has rabies,and you have only one melee weapon at your disposable and nothing else.What weapon would a trained warrior use?

Okay, now we are switching back into the ridiculous scale.

It's not that your question is faulty, it is simply dealing with the wrong issue.

The proper question here is:

What on earth would give me the motivation and need to take any of those in combat with a melee weapon?

An elephant? never done anything to me.
A whale? we don't even share the same diet, not to mention the differences in habitat...
A bear? I've met one in my life. It was content enough to leave me alone when I stayed calm and quiet (as in, no screaming) and back off in clear view without looking at it's eyes.

Had it come for me, any weapon would have done. Because I would have gotten in presicely one hit before being buried under a ton of muscle, fur and teeth. A weapon wouldn't have been too much of a comfort at that point....

 

[number4096]

Grand_Arcana,do you think that one guy could take out an undisciplined riot of angry people all on his own,given that they would be untrained and would carry unlikely weapons such as wrenches and chairs,and that one guy would have a real sword and maybe a spare one in case the first one would break?

More importantly,do you think Yahtzee and SakSak should team up to make fun of video games?

 

[number4096]

SakSak,which melee weapons do you think would work against:

-a bear

-an elephant

-a whale

This is taking into account that you are alone,it has rabies,and you have only one melee weapon at your disposable and nothing else.What weapon would a trained warrior use?

Okay, now we are switching back into the ridiculous scale.

It's not that your question is faulty, it is simply dealing with the wrong issue.

The proper question here is:

What on earth would give me the motivation and need to take any of those in combat with a melee weapon?

An elephant? never done anything to me.
A whale? we don't even share the same diet, not to mention the differences in habitat...
A bear? I've met one in my life. It was content enough to leave me alone when I stayed calm and quiet (as in, no screaming) and back off in clear view without looking at it's eyes.

Had it come for me, any weapon would have done. Because I would have gotten in presicely one hit before being buried under a ton of muscle, fur and teeth. A weapon wouldn't have been too much of a comfort at that point....

-The elephant would have rabies and would be uncontrollably attacking everything around,and you would be the only thing around.

-The whale would be the teethed whale with the weird name:a sperm whale(In french we call it a cachalot,a less embarassing name.).It would also have rabies and you would be on a fragile boat in the middle of the ocean and you would be the only thing it could go attack(Like in the elephant scenario,you would be the only thing around to attack.).

-The bear would be mother bear and you would have accidentally gotten close to its babies,making her want to beat you up.

This is taking into account that you would be phenominally trained warrior with a badass melee weapon(Though only one.)That could go toe to toe with a spartan and win,easily.

Which would be your melee weapon in these scenarios.And would damsel reality be okay with you winning in any of these scenarios?

 

[number4096]

Painkiller?The game with the gun that shoots shurikens and lightning?

 

[nin_ninja]

Really?

I've noticed most humans are the asshole race in RPGs and the most unbalanced of all.

Very few RPG's have final baddies that aren't/weren't human, or just evil dragon things.

 

[Grand_Arcana]

Grand_Arcana,do you think that one guy could take out an undisciplined riot of angry people all on his own,given that they would be untrained and would carry unlikely weapons such as wrenches and chairs,and that one guy would have a real sword and maybe a spare one in case the first one would break?

More importantly,do you think Yahtzee and SakSak should team up to make fun of video games?

Short answer, not likely. The smart option would be to run. When he fought his students he did everything in his power to avoid them for as long as possible. Picking them off one-by-one can be done if it's necessary, but against odds like that you'll want to just escape.

 

[number4096]

Warning:French

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xabp3c_final-fantasy-vii-advent-children-c_videogames

You know you want to.

 

[number4096]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-ZDQm2c2w

If a man can beat a bear with a tree branch,then a trained warrior could fight off a bear without problems.

 

[number4096]

A bear? I've met one in my life. It was content enough to leave me alone when I stayed calm and quiet (as in, no screaming) and back off in clear view without looking at it's eyes.

Had it come for me, any weapon would have done. Because I would have gotten in presicely one hit before being buried under a ton of muscle, fur and teeth. A weapon wouldn't have been too much of a comfort at that point....

Look at the post above this one,an untrained man managed it,it is far from impossible.

 

[Grand_Arcana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-ZDQm2c2w

If a man can beat a bear with a tree branch,then a trained warrior could fight off a bear without problems.

Take note that his first action is to play dead. If that bear had got a good swipe to the head, or a bite to the throat, he'd be dead. His next option was to get up and back away slowly, trying to avoid a fight. Only when the bear charged did he counter. That man was very lucky that it wasn't really trying to kill and eat him. It was protecting it's territory and its young. A martial artist would fair better, but if martial artists can kill other martial artists, you can beat your sweet ass he would be in trouble.

Against a bear, an elephant, or even a chimp a human is at a disadvantage without a gun, and even that's not a guarantee.

 

[number4096]

The guy was taken by surprise and had only a tree branch.

Imagine a direct confrontation were a trained warrior would see the bear charging from the distance and was equipped with a proper melee weapon.

The bear would meet an embarassing defeat at the hands of the trained warrior.

 

[number4096]

This is without mentioning that cavemen,as small,untrained and a poorly armed as they were(Makeshift spears that barely hold together.),Managed to extinct the species of mammoths and possibly many more similarly big animals(Just to give an example,elephants are the strongest land animals right now.Lion,rhinos and hippos think twice before facing them.Mammoths are bigger than that.And mere cavemen with poor health conditions and puny spears extincted the species by over-hunting them.Bears are smaller than that.And in the scenario,the trained warrior is in top physical condition and has a refined melee weapon.).

Humans are made of awesome when it comes to warfare.A single man against many would lose not out of being weak,but because the opponents are also badass,even when untrained.

Just the stuff martial artists can do should give you a hint.

 

[number4096]

For the record,an untrained man can kill(sometimes)a lion with its barehands.It happened sometimes in roman arenas and was documented.We must take into consideration that the people thrown there were mere prisoners and slaves,not necessarily warriors,and they lacked weapons.

Similar man vs beast showdowns happened over all areas and all eras.We are stronger than we think.

 

[number4096]

We are called superpredators for a reason,we were already superpredator when we made spears,far before we got near any guns.

Anyway,i am done for tonight.