I am a feminist....and this is hilarious.

[V4Viewtiful]

It sounds like you don't like the way the system is run, and that's fair.

Who's in charge of the system? Feminists? No. Minorities? No. White men? Yup. They created the system. They're in charge of everything. You're blaming women for a system men created.

When women control half the legislatures, Congress and the judicial branch, then I will see your point.

Edit: That was meant for V4Viewtiful.

Ah, but females out number men in the west as a whole and Women with children far out number men with them (meaning women are doing the deed with the same men)

Oh but that's my point, Feminists are just fine with how it goes because it benefits them unfairly but as soon as it's the other way around they say nothing. Which isn't what the movement was about.

As for the system itself? It's run like a business rather than public service and will do what's most profitable, it's a hustle and the White male is good at that. (no offense white males ;P)

Saying that, how odd is it that with so many women they still don't dominate or seem to have as big a presence in high profile rolls to influence, though it's growing.

 

[Artaneius]

I'm a realist and I think that anything that allows anyone to avoid working for a living needs to be stopped and anyone who tried needs to have a life debt to have to pay. Either through payment or by working. I don't see welfare programs ending anytime soon. But that's life. You can't always get what you want and people need to realize that.

 

[Depulcator]

Until feminism cleans up its god awful image, I see nothing changing any time soon. Seeing as no one is making an effort to remove the one who keep giving them a bad name. another way I see it is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcb_4nk4t4Q

 

[the December King]

Mmmm, I kinda saw this as one woman, who happens to consider herself a feminist, getting caught up in a situation wherein she had a falling out with her boyfriend over her multiple sexual partners, some of whom are involved in her line of work. It seems to have brought up previous instances of her being a supposed victim of online attacks or slander, that most took for cash at the time, and calls into question her credibility as regards those instances, and seems to have highlighted what looks like generally bad etiquette on her part and the part of the others she had dalliances with.

I certainly do not blame feminism for this situation.

If all of this is true about her bad business practices, sexual bribery, and her influencing events via sexual favours, then by all means let's see her lose her job, and the other guilty parties too, and possibly see their various other relationships suffer as a consequence, just like when men get caught in a scandal cheating with multiple women. It's awkward because this is still a private matter- no one has actually been financially ripped off, no huge sums of money were embezzled, it's between her, the parties slept with and the boyfriend.

Sadly, the damage has been done, and because of his hurt feelings, her boyfriend has already cast that judgement for her by exposing it.

Still, nothing to do with other feminists.

 

[AkaDad]

I'm a realist and I think that anything that allows anyone to avoid working for a living needs to be stopped and anyone who tried needs to have a life debt to have to pay. Either through payment or by working. I don't see welfare programs ending anytime soon. But that's life. You can't always get what you want and people need to realize that.

I understand what you're saying, but let me throw this at ya.

The unemployment rate is 6%, which means millions of people can't get a job even if they wanted to. Then throw in the fact that millions of jobs pay a poverty wage where working full time doesn't even cover just the necessities of life.

If we cut all welfare for all these people then we'll have millions and millions of people on the streets, desperate for food and shelter. If we go that route, crime will skyrocket and we'll have spend to more money on police and jails.

Either way it's going to cost us and considering that crime has fallen over the years, I'd say welfare is the better option.

 

[Vault101]

Oh but that's my point, Feminists are just fine with how it goes because it benefits them unfairly but as soon as it's the other way around they say nothing. Which isn't what the movement was about.
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this is not true at all

in fact often it seems to be the opisite...privaliged white women who scoff and say "they don't need no feminism"

 

[V4Viewtiful]

Oh but that's my point, Feminists are just fine with how it goes because it benefits them unfairly but as soon as it's the other way around they say nothing. Which isn't what the movement was about.
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this is not true at all

in fact often it seems to be the opisite...privaliged white women who scoff and say "they don't need no feminism"

I hope so, I can't say I ever heard woman speak out that openly about it

 

[Vault101]

I hope so, I can't say I ever heard woman speak out that openly about it

what then? you just assumed to speak for what women or "feminists" want? I also really question somones knoweleg of Feminism when they drag out that old chestnut

 

[Grahav]

Violence in games don't cause violence but fanservice in games cause misoginy so it should be banned.

The problem some gamers have with feminism is the same problem gamers had with Mortal Kombat censors.

Except violence is a very inclusive concept. We're not alienating dead people by propagating violence in video games. The whole violence discussion is honestly on a rather different plane of existence then this one. Outfitting female characters in pandering nonsense while reducing them to ogle-bait and stripping (get it GET IT?) their characters in terms of development doesn't really paint a good picture. Pandering is fine, we do it and will always do it, it's just funny that people wave hands and scoff at the notion that playing as "white-boy-mcgee" while surrounded by the supporting cast of "tits-chick-mcDoubleD" is not at all stifling or a bit weird for anyone. Like, sure, do that, just don't do it as a recognizable pattern within the entirety of gaming.

We could be accused of alienating living victims of violence by enjoying torture simulators. And violence itself is a recognizable pattern in more games than pantyvshots. Won't people think that we are a bunch of repressed sadists like the Columbine Doom players?

A sole aspect being dominant to gaming. I agree with you. If all games have fanservice or burkhas, one race protagonists, all violence/all pacific, it would be a intelectual and creative wasteland.

But the thing is that fanservice games are not only accused of alienating a potential audience. They are really targeted as promoters of misoginy as if their players had no learning outside of them. It really is the same type of accusation of violent games.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

I hope so, I can't say I ever heard woman speak out that openly about it

what then? you just assumed to speak for what women or "feminists" want? I also really question somones knoweleg of Feminism when they drag out that old chestnut

Not in the slightest, I just point out what feminism has been allowed to become, it's not the same when it started to what it is now and I think that's bad. What feminist want and what feminist have done at times looks counter productive.
But i'm sure that's the same for any movement I suppose, I just don't feel it's getting easier for women.

 

[Vault101]

Also I put this to you

*Potential trigger warning*

Spoiler

assuming thats real...what exactly are you trying to prove here?

 

[eberhart]

Women make up over 50% of the population and in 25-30 years non-whites are going to be the majority in America.

In America? Sure, it's not like 1-2% of people there would EVER have the ability to amass crushing majority of wealth, power and influence, so those changing percentages are going to mean so, so much. Like... different focus groups for editing speeches.

Oh, you mean in "circenses" piece of the cake? Neeeever mind then, I tend to lose track when 1st world problems are mixed in with actual ones - or merely appropriate their language to look more severe, despite representing a fringe, if anything at all.

 

[AkaDad]

Cool. Do you think you're an exception to the rule?

I see the same people constantly commenting about feminists in a negative way, trying to extrapolate stupid comments to a whole group, but hardly ever negative towards non-femenists and certainly never blanket that whole group from a few stupid comments. I see a lot of "I support feminism, but..."

I see this in politics as well with, "I'm not a racist," then go on to tell me how awful minorities are and never pointing out all the awful things white people do.

Nope I don't consider myself the exception there are plenty of other people. The rule doesn't work as a blanket statement.

Also have you not just put out a blanket statement by claiming I could be a exception to a rule ?

Also I put this to you

*Potential trigger warning*

Spoiler

That chick with sign is stupid. I asked a question I didn't make a blanket statement. I don't see people like you commenting a lot, that's why I asked.

 

[Vault101]

But that aside, the notion that males are somehow "default" because they don't get an obvious gender signifier is nonsense. Pick any AAA title with a voiced male lead character out of a hat, and I guarantee he has at least one of the following:
1) Large muscles
2) Scruffy facial hair
3) A "witty"/"gruff" persona which shows in their dialogue

What you're expressing isn't a problem exclusive to women, it's a problem with character writing in AAA games in general. Namely that for all of the supposedly "different" characters out there, they're all the bloody same.

I think the issue is that rather than a female charachter wearing something like full covered armour she'll instead wear a chainmail bikini or boob plates for no other reason than to remind everyone she's sterotypically feminine even when its irrelevant

all that aside we tend to as a society veiw the male as defult and anything else as "other" anthromorphic animals are an interesting look at this, female cartoon animals seem to have all kinds of crap shoves on them (human hair, eye make up ect) to let the audience know they are female where as the male counter parts look more "normal"

its like we NEED to place people in gender boxes...if theres any doubt whats so ever that angers people

similar thing when people ask why the Japanease draw themselves as white in Anime/Magna...the thing is though they don't, they see them as Japanease because they assume everything as Japanease...we see them as white people and without signifiers (slanted eyes) we assume theyre white

]I always hate to say this because people always take it the wrong way, but here goes:

Stereotypes don't just "poof" into being. They always have origins in truth. Certain traits are "stereotypical" for female characters because there are actual females who still portray those character traits. Contrary to what people seem to believe, there are still stereotypical "prim and proper" white guys, hillbillies, valley girls, "dumb blondes", etc walking around in society even today.

the problem is in media we are presented with a VERY narrow veiw of what women are/can be...a lot of women on TV have the same body type and look the same, men get more leeway in general (not as much in games but in general)

for example a while ago I read a comparison of two women centric TV shows..."The L word" from 2003 and Orange is the new black from 2013

The L word is centered around mostly gay women...white thin conventioanlly attractive Gay women, the "Butch" charachter was shane...tomboyish conventioanlly attractive Shane, I'm not cirticsing this charachter or women who are "conventionally" attractive while presenting that way, but what I am saying is it was a narrowish view of both women and lesbains

now lets fast forward to Orange is the new black...who is our Butchest Lesbain? why thats Boo...she's overweight, she's mannish, she's a stone cold butch and proud of it, THIS is the kind of woman you don't see often unless shes the butt of jokes, the fact that Boo is who she is is not cause for any jokes at her expense....but aside From Boo there's a whole corss section of women of different races and dispositions

of coarse OITNB is set in a woman prison with an ensemble cast of charachters so not a lot of shows would go that far, but my point is thease kids of female charachters with charachterisation and stuff is not something you often see

[quote/]And yes, there are even young ladies who wear scantily clad outfits designed to catch men's eyes. Heck, just go visit your local public high school if you want proof of that.[/quote]
why would you assume they are doing it for guys attention? it could be the need to fit in, to follow trends...girls playing dress up really

 

[Artaneius]

I'm a realist and I think that anything that allows anyone to avoid working for a living needs to be stopped and anyone who tried needs to have a life debt to have to pay. Either through payment or by working. I don't see welfare programs ending anytime soon. But that's life. You can't always get what you want and people need to realize that.

I understand what you're saying, but let me throw this at ya.

The unemployment rate is 6%, which means millions of people can't get a job even if they wanted to. Then throw in the fact that millions of jobs pay a poverty wage where working full time doesn't even cover just the necessities of life.

If we cut all welfare for all these people then we'll have millions and millions of people on the streets, desperate for food and shelter. If we go that route, crime will skyrocket and we'll have spend to more money on police and jails.

Either way it's going to cost us and considering that crime has fallen over the years, I'd say welfare is the better option.

But that's exactly what I'm saying. People need to realize that just because they think something should be a certain way doesn't mean it's going to happen and I'm not going to riot on the streets because its what I believe in. I also think that the only shooters that people should be allowed to play is arena shooters like Quake or UT. It would definitely bring back a reason to be good in online games again like the old days but it ain't gonna happen. No matter how much elitist old school gamers who could rocket jump and go as fast as the speed of light troll on 4chan about it.