I am not bashing Philosophy.
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People who sit and spout fucking quotes from literature written by someone else in an argument makes me livid. Then they have the arrogance to look so smug and intelligent? They aren't even their words, it's pathetic. Fuck, I can also remember a few words or lines from a book. If you aren't able to form your own thoughts, opinions, ideals whatever then you shouldn't be allowed to speak/vote in things like elections.
Literature is meant to be learned from, that's why it's left with us and that's why it's recorded and written. .Tto pass on information to the next generation, or, atleast that's what I think. We learn from others who have been here before us, we then think about the subject with a personal degree of thought, we add their experiences to ours, and we have a better understanding, and a better idea. That's how I go through life, anyway.
Old literature can also be outdated, therefore useless in the context of our new modern society and hierarchies. So, next time you're in an argument, don't feel smug about quoting some book, back it up with your own thoughts on the subject.
Literature is meant to be learned from, that's why it's left with us and that's why it's recorded and written. .Tto pass on information to the next generation, or, atleast that's what I think. We learn from others who have been here before us, we then think about the subject with a personal degree of thought, we add their experiences to ours, and we have a better understanding, and a better idea. That's how I go through life, anyway.
Old literature can also be outdated, therefore useless in the context of our new modern society and hierarchies. So, next time you're in an argument, don't feel smug about quoting some book, back it up with your own thoughts on the subject.
"Isn't philosophy pointless?" is a philosophical question. You have absolutely killed your entire argument by arguing it in the first place. This whole post is engaging in philosophical thought.Some bullets said:
That said, the point to philosophy is to gain an understanding of things. It's certainly not necessary for every person to engage in it, but if one wishes to understand the why of things, philosophy is the way to go. Enlightenment with an aim at self-fulfillment is the point of philosophy.
Philosphy is essential- it concerns itslef with the theory behind thought itself, and is the only real way to test the viability of reason without falling back on circular logic.
When Bertrand Russel demonstrated exactly why 1+1=2 it would appear, on the face of it, to be a pointless endeavour, but without it the fundamental principles of mathematics would be based on assumption and as such, would remain suspect. It also helps to identify why it is we live in a universe of constants, where one plus one will always equal two, and where a hydrogen atom on one side of the world will behave in exactly the same way as a hydrogen atom on the other side of the world, a vital point, particularly for us godless heathens who believe in emergent systems and dont subscribe to the idea that a guiding force must be attendant in all things.
Philosophy is also fun. Asking what the point of philosophy is is like asking what the poiint of taking a walk in the park is- means and the end are one and the same.
When Bertrand Russel demonstrated exactly why 1+1=2 it would appear, on the face of it, to be a pointless endeavour, but without it the fundamental principles of mathematics would be based on assumption and as such, would remain suspect. It also helps to identify why it is we live in a universe of constants, where one plus one will always equal two, and where a hydrogen atom on one side of the world will behave in exactly the same way as a hydrogen atom on the other side of the world, a vital point, particularly for us godless heathens who believe in emergent systems and dont subscribe to the idea that a guiding force must be attendant in all things.
Philosophy is also fun. Asking what the point of philosophy is is like asking what the poiint of taking a walk in the park is- means and the end are one and the same.
You seem to be approaching philosophy with a very closed mind. That it is something that takes place outside the practical world between people who refuse to budge on their points of view. Real, and useful, philosophical debate and discussion takes place between open minded individuals that are willing to compromise and critique each other. It's a practice that bring many ideas and beliefs to the table and molds them into a foundation for more concrete (I guess you could also call it practical) application. These applications include moral theory and guidelines that help us as a people make tough ethical decisions as well as attempt to decrease suffering as you stated.
I very much wish it made money - I have a BA, an MA in the works, and I'm heading for a PhD. Once I've completed that, there's maybe a 10% chance I'll be able to make a living from lecturing+research, and no chance at all of getting really rich...
Philosophy not only quells curiosity, but it also contributes towards concrete-advancements in terms of what a word actually -means-, which is why it's important for law and semantic-ish related stuff.
Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like I understand this very well. All I know is during my psychobio studies, I encountered some philosophers, and they were brilliant/attended international seminars regarding important issues/ etc. So they definitely -do something-, I'll tell you that
Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like I understand this very well. All I know is during my psychobio studies, I encountered some philosophers, and they were brilliant/attended international seminars regarding important issues/ etc. So they definitely -do something-, I'll tell you that
The OP's basic idea is flawed and shows a great ignorance of philosophy. Or he is a troll. Who knows.
Practically speaking, it is. Then again, you have to ask yourself if we would understand each other even in the slightest without the arts or philosophy.Erana said:
You seem to have a narrow view on philosophy. I'm into it, but I don't care for the whole 'existence' side of things.Versago said:
And yes, a lot of philosophy is and can be very practical. Plus, as Erana said, 'We live philosophy.' It's just thought for the thinking mind.
Actually it's incredibly ironic. The whole point of philosophy is to ask questions about exhistance and seek truth. Asking the question "Isn't philosiphy pointless?" inspires one to question philosophy, hence he is philosophising philosophy.... absolute irony.Crabid said:
And if we didn't question our exhistance and the things around us then it's most like the map of the world would still have spots that would read "Here Be Dragons." It was philosophical thought that originally inspired scientific pursuit.
Attempts to justify philosophy...too difficult. Everyone has different goals, and if I justify it according to mine, you can feel quite free to tell me to shut the hell up, because if I had to guess, it won't do anything to justifying it in your eyes.
However, in the original post, there are 3 very important words: "I enjoy philosophy." There. Bam. Done. Justified. If you enjoy it on the same level as watching clouds, then watch the clouds. They're pretty. I think that one looks like a rabbit. Isn't that awesome?
You only live once. If you enjoy it, then we're done here. Really, that counts for a hell ofa lot.
However, in the original post, there are 3 very important words: "I enjoy philosophy." There. Bam. Done. Justified. If you enjoy it on the same level as watching clouds, then watch the clouds. They're pretty. I think that one looks like a rabbit. Isn't that awesome?
You only live once. If you enjoy it, then we're done here. Really, that counts for a hell ofa lot.
This would be a new topic, but the fashion world isn't pointless. The amount you can tell from what someone's wearing...tells you what they think of themselves, the image they're trying to portray, and probably something about how they're feeling on that day too. I'd love to understand fashion.Malicious said:Philosophy aint pointless,i think therefore i amits one of em things that separate us from animals and savages.........and spoiled brats! Il tell you whats pointless,the fashion world!
I've long since stopped wondering why I exist, or why the sky is blue, or anything like that, because I realized that I just don't care.
If you think philosophy is pointless then ultimately you must think everything is pointless. For example, if you think questioning why we exist is pointless, that means that you think the answer to that question is pointless which in turn means that you think existance in pointless. Not to mention that almost every thought is philosophical by definition until it has been proved. That means that you think science is pointless.Some bullets said:
You do also relise that by saying philosophy is pointless, you have started a philosophical debate? And you do relise that by effectively saying "I'm not bashing philosophy but it's shit" you've made a huge condratiction which makes you look like a raging fool.
However, taking the statement ''isn't philosophy pointless'', saying that philosophy is pointless doesn't necessarily mean that the author isn't aware that the statement is philosophical in nature. In effect the statement means ''This is pointless'', which, if we are really honest is the truth about this thread and I would argue, in the grand scheme of the universe, all efforts of man. Mmmmm nihilism.quiet_samurai said:
Sorry again for posting that, I did say it was rather dickish of me, but forums honestly bring out the worst in me : /