And he just now made another video about this debacle againFappy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efgjY9RwH4
Now its down to 12.
I am now convinced that youtubers thrive on controversy and negative press.
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Now its down to 12.
Because this controversy has it all; A major publisher being idiotic and tone-deaf, gaming media labeling gamers "entitled", gamers lashing out and hitting back, "censorship" with negative comments being removed and deleted, and even a possible case of "collusion" between Youtube and Blizzard with regards to dislikes being stealthy removed from the official Diablo Immortal video.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that all of the above are huge dog whistles to the you-know-who crowd whom we can't mention here anymore. And of course any Youtube channels catering to that crowd are going to capitalize as much as they can on it.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that all of the above are huge dog whistles to the you-know-who crowd whom we can't mention here anymore. And of course any Youtube channels catering to that crowd are going to capitalize as much as they can on it.
As I've said many times before: The problem with the media is that it gives us exactly what we want.trunkage said:
That was before they realized how much money they could make from controversy. Integrity always gives way to money.Samtemdo8 said:
Well yeah... It was a few years back there was actually a whole big argument about it after Markiplier I think made a video saying he disliked YouTube drama. Which spawned about a dozen plus videos from big YouTubers either agreeing with him or disagreeing. And that's just YouTube drama.
I subbed to YongYea for like a year and every damn day it was another negative video. Saying the doom of video games were coming because of X. I finally had enough when he took something that was an obvious joke and tried to turn it into an insult and something that was world ending big. It's what he does, it's what makes people click. Plus content, man would only put out a video a month if he was positive. Gotta get that ad revenue and Patreon bucks.
I subbed to YongYea for like a year and every damn day it was another negative video. Saying the doom of video games were coming because of X. I finally had enough when he took something that was an obvious joke and tried to turn it into an insult and something that was world ending big. It's what he does, it's what makes people click. Plus content, man would only put out a video a month if he was positive. Gotta get that ad revenue and Patreon bucks.
EDIT (stupid Google speak):Elfgore said:
I just subscribed to Yong a couple of months ago and I think I'm starting to regret it now. Granted, he is useful for some information, but it's at that point where I can find stuff out on my own now. so far it's been nothing but videos about Diablo or bethesda's shit. He's had some positive stuff in before, but his reporting adds nothing to the discussion that hasn't already been said already. I avoid most YouTubers in general on a principle that most of them are looking for some type of drama controversy. I remember one called review tech USA. I used to enjoy his stuff but later, on he got more controversial and up his own ass. What didn't help those that he encouraged the harassment of another YouTuber [Yoshiller] just because the guy decided to wear a Yoshi hat at Nintendo's E3 2013. The dude refused to apologize about it and I told myself well fuck you Rich (review tech USA real name). what's scary is that him and his followers probably already forgot about that situation and moved on to other "controversial" topics. Also, stay away from a YouTuber called NoBullshit. He sells nothing but shit.
What's really sad is that I used to watch his channel mainly for reviews on computer technology and software. After that he became nothing more than another clickbait/tabloid YouTuber.CaitSeith said:
PS - I decided to unsubscribe from YongYea.
I'm seeing a lot of negativity. Like, WAY too much. It's 50% "OP IS FIGURING THIS OUT JUST NOW LOL I KNEW THIS WAY BACK IN THE DAY" and 50% "LOL YOUTUBE AND YOUTUBERS ARE GARBAGE LIKE DUH." Okay, now I'm going to step back and see if I can't see another angle.
I get that some YouTubers make the same point over and over again. "PC gaming is dead because blah," and then they spend 15 minutes talking about it, and then do the same thing next week. Sometimes, a single story has a central issue plus a lot of other related issues to unpack.
The shitstorm surrounding Diablo Immortal is a terrific example: The way it was announced was mishandled at best, the immediate response from fans was exaggerated - as exemplified by that skidmark who said "is this an out-of-season April Fool's Joke?" and got lots of internet high-fives - Blizzard's response to that response was awful, the backlash against that response was just as loud and angry as the first round of boos, and that's just the first week of news.
Notice that none of that has to do with the game itself, the monetization within said game, the people making the game, the people who asked the people to make the game, or even the overlord parent company who told Blizzard to tell the other people to make the game that everyone is losing their shit over.
None of THAT touches on the toxic microtransactions frequent in mobile games, which is another story in itself that can be examined from seven angles.
Hopefully, by now, y'all're getting that first point. The same thing can apply with Star Wars, Fallout, or fucking anything that has a die-hard fanbase. A single problem isn't isolated to a single "this one thing is pissing me off." Nearly every time something angers someone, it's because there's the one thing, bolstered by seven other things; something something subconscious iceberg something.
Humans are social animals; part of that is an instinctual desire for attention. Even the ones who think they can get by on their own, the super-introverts who work alone and live alone and die alone, those guys get hungry for talk every once in a while. I'm one of those guys, and lemme tell you, if I get you in a car, I will talk and talk and listen and talk and talk and listen and listen and talk.
It's not perfect, but YouTube is a platform where people can say a thing and then thousands of people listen, and that kind of attention can be intoxicating. I mean, shit, if I get seven likes on one of my comments, you can bet your kissable lips I'll be making more comments just like that one.
And that's why some people will upload a half-dozen videos about a single topic. "Oh gee, I talked about Leia having Force powers in this video and it got 6,000 views, better talk more about The Last Jedi so I get 7,000 views on my next one!"
And then, yes, there's a financial angle to all this. We live in a capitalistic society which was built at least marginally off the Puritanical belief that monetary value is equivalent to moral and social value. In other words, whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not, we westerners associate dollar value with self-worth, and we definitely judge other people on how much cash money they have. The idea of "okay, you have a lot of money, but how you spend it is just as important" is actually a relatively new concept, which is why the wider media lost their damn minds over Felix "PewDiePie" Kjellberg making $7,000,000, while the rest of the Internet was like "that's nice, at least he's not buying yachts."
So, yeah, if someone on YouTube is making videos for views for ad-sense dollars, is that something anyone can say "tsk-tsk" over? For some people, it's a living, or a supplementary income that provides fun-money; can any of us stick our noses in the air because some guy on YouTube is trying pay bills, and then have something left over to buy high-quality (product you, the reader, personally value)?
Finally, a pre-emptive rebuttal to some hyperbolic counter-arguments:
Well I don't believe that an issue should be rehashed seven times or more. Once you talk about something, that's all that needs to be said about it.
You are a narrow-minded moron who doesn't understand that opinions are malleable and can change whenever new information is incorporated.
Well I don't believe that an arbitrary dollar amount stored digitally by a corporate entity should be considered. Anyone who does think in terms of "how much money will I make?" is a greedy a-hole undeserving of the money they want to make!"
You are not even living in the same reality as the rest of us. Try to use your moral high-ground as currency literally anywhere, let us know how that goes.
Well I don't believe that YouTube views is a good substitute for real social interaction! People who do anything on YouTube "for the views" is pathetic and need to get out more!
YouTubers with millions of subscribers save hundreds or even thousands of people from total despair, and sometimes suicide, because sometimes, the very illusion of someone talking to them is all it takes for someone to say "nah, it's not worth it to self-destruct just now." And that relationship is two-way. A couple hundred views on a video means a couple hundred people who have heard a person's voice; a few comments saying "OMG ur right blizzard has lost ther way!!!" can save lives. Anyone who has a problem with that needs to re-examine their own priorities.
I get that some YouTubers make the same point over and over again. "PC gaming is dead because blah," and then they spend 15 minutes talking about it, and then do the same thing next week. Sometimes, a single story has a central issue plus a lot of other related issues to unpack.
The shitstorm surrounding Diablo Immortal is a terrific example: The way it was announced was mishandled at best, the immediate response from fans was exaggerated - as exemplified by that skidmark who said "is this an out-of-season April Fool's Joke?" and got lots of internet high-fives - Blizzard's response to that response was awful, the backlash against that response was just as loud and angry as the first round of boos, and that's just the first week of news.
Notice that none of that has to do with the game itself, the monetization within said game, the people making the game, the people who asked the people to make the game, or even the overlord parent company who told Blizzard to tell the other people to make the game that everyone is losing their shit over.
None of THAT touches on the toxic microtransactions frequent in mobile games, which is another story in itself that can be examined from seven angles.
Hopefully, by now, y'all're getting that first point. The same thing can apply with Star Wars, Fallout, or fucking anything that has a die-hard fanbase. A single problem isn't isolated to a single "this one thing is pissing me off." Nearly every time something angers someone, it's because there's the one thing, bolstered by seven other things; something something subconscious iceberg something.
Humans are social animals; part of that is an instinctual desire for attention. Even the ones who think they can get by on their own, the super-introverts who work alone and live alone and die alone, those guys get hungry for talk every once in a while. I'm one of those guys, and lemme tell you, if I get you in a car, I will talk and talk and listen and talk and talk and listen and listen and talk.
It's not perfect, but YouTube is a platform where people can say a thing and then thousands of people listen, and that kind of attention can be intoxicating. I mean, shit, if I get seven likes on one of my comments, you can bet your kissable lips I'll be making more comments just like that one.
And that's why some people will upload a half-dozen videos about a single topic. "Oh gee, I talked about Leia having Force powers in this video and it got 6,000 views, better talk more about The Last Jedi so I get 7,000 views on my next one!"
And then, yes, there's a financial angle to all this. We live in a capitalistic society which was built at least marginally off the Puritanical belief that monetary value is equivalent to moral and social value. In other words, whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not, we westerners associate dollar value with self-worth, and we definitely judge other people on how much cash money they have. The idea of "okay, you have a lot of money, but how you spend it is just as important" is actually a relatively new concept, which is why the wider media lost their damn minds over Felix "PewDiePie" Kjellberg making $7,000,000, while the rest of the Internet was like "that's nice, at least he's not buying yachts."
So, yeah, if someone on YouTube is making videos for views for ad-sense dollars, is that something anyone can say "tsk-tsk" over? For some people, it's a living, or a supplementary income that provides fun-money; can any of us stick our noses in the air because some guy on YouTube is trying pay bills, and then have something left over to buy high-quality (product you, the reader, personally value)?
Finally, a pre-emptive rebuttal to some hyperbolic counter-arguments:
Well I don't believe that an issue should be rehashed seven times or more. Once you talk about something, that's all that needs to be said about it.
You are a narrow-minded moron who doesn't understand that opinions are malleable and can change whenever new information is incorporated.
Well I don't believe that an arbitrary dollar amount stored digitally by a corporate entity should be considered. Anyone who does think in terms of "how much money will I make?" is a greedy a-hole undeserving of the money they want to make!"
You are not even living in the same reality as the rest of us. Try to use your moral high-ground as currency literally anywhere, let us know how that goes.
Well I don't believe that YouTube views is a good substitute for real social interaction! People who do anything on YouTube "for the views" is pathetic and need to get out more!
YouTubers with millions of subscribers save hundreds or even thousands of people from total despair, and sometimes suicide, because sometimes, the very illusion of someone talking to them is all it takes for someone to say "nah, it's not worth it to self-destruct just now." And that relationship is two-way. A couple hundred views on a video means a couple hundred people who have heard a person's voice; a few comments saying "OMG ur right blizzard has lost ther way!!!" can save lives. Anyone who has a problem with that needs to re-examine their own priorities.
It's not just the negativity, but that so many people can't do it well.
Have you ever wondered by educational videos by groups like the Khan Academy are only 5-10 minutes long? It's because research shows that people mentally switch off after about 6-7 minutes, so every minute after that is a minute it's far less likely anyone cares or takes it in.
The same applies for online rants. Listening to someone rant, ***** and moan for an extended period of time is just a tiresome drone. At minimum, they need to vary the pace... and frequently don't.
Have you ever wondered by educational videos by groups like the Khan Academy are only 5-10 minutes long? It's because research shows that people mentally switch off after about 6-7 minutes, so every minute after that is a minute it's far less likely anyone cares or takes it in.
The same applies for online rants. Listening to someone rant, ***** and moan for an extended period of time is just a tiresome drone. At minimum, they need to vary the pace... and frequently don't.
But if they make it short they can't waffle on in a way to make themselves sound like genuine intellectuals.Agema said:
If there are any intellectuals on YouTube, I've never found them - although I've never looked very hard.Abomination said:
More problematic is that in many years of people trying to prove their points with YouTube videos, pretty much no-one's ever supplied support from an intellectual, either: "Hey, here's a random member of the public saying just what I want to believe - PROOF I'M RIGHT!"