I am thinking about joining the military

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Elvis Starburst

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For many reasons stated earlier, there are MUCH better options out there that pay a lot better, and you won't have to have your mind re-worked the way they do in the military. You sound like someone who might not be able to handle all of it. I've seen numerous threads like this, and it always leads to the same thing. The military is not a good fall back plan. There are better options that won't change you the way the military can. For your own sake, re-consider
 

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My only advice would be do not do this for financial reasons. Obviously plenty of people that have never served have a wide range of opinions yet there is only one fact that matters:

The military is not a job, it is a lifestyle.

If you are after a job and only a job then it isn't for you and you should definitely explore other options, some of which have already been stated in this thread.
 

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The thing about the military is that it is essentially like any other job. You go to work at 8, come home at 5, do it five days a week and get a guaranteed paycheck (unless you're infantry or combat ops which I assume you are not going to be). The issue is that if you hate it, or you hate the people, you very rarely get a say. You can't just quit like you can a shitty civvie job.

If you feel you can handle that and want direction, good trade skills, and a decent post-service package, then the military would be the way to go.

But if you are even hesitant for a moment, really rethink that because it is a huge commitment. That's why we see so many suicides in the military. People don't think it completely through and then feel they have no way out.

You may also want to think about other alternatives like the Guard or Reserve. Or even police departments. They will all give you that discipline and have good benefits but you don't have to "live the life."
The military suicide rate is actually below that of the civilian population. Source: http://www.worldmag.com/2013/01/military_suicide_rate_rises_but_remains_below_national_average . I imagine because the discipline.
 

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Okay, I have to laugh at the people who are popping on here saying that bootcamp turns you into a mindless robot that obeys any order without question or hesitation. That is nowhere close to the truth.

But that's not what we're talking about here.

I loved my time in the military. It was fun, I did all kinds of cool things, and I became a better, more well-rounded person. You have to have thick skin. If you're going to cry because some DI comes up to you and calls you a "fucktard", well, the military isn't the place for you.

Look, you're asking for advice on internet, which means that you're not really sold on the idea. You either want to join or you don't. If you do, go for it. If there's hesitation - find something different.
 

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The military can teach you valuable skills, no one will argue that point (this does depend on the specialization you choose)

But keep in mind, a seasoned field medic with three tours of duty in Iraq can apply for a job as a school nurse, but be turned down for lack of certifications. Translation: you will get worthwhile training, but you won't get the piece of paper that says to the civilian world "Yeah, I have that training."


ridiculous but true....
 

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As someone who's been in the military(US Navy) for 7 years and currently does recruiting, here's my take on it.

Some people gets a lot out of it. I'm in a much better position then I was before I joined in pretty much every way possible. I got a lot of training in a field I can use outside the military(Nuclear Power Generation), a nice bit of money saved up, almost enough college for a degree program. I know a lot of people who like the security knowing they won't be laid off and they would pretty much have to work at it. Not to mention getting to travel the world and see a bunch of interesting things on the government dime(as well as getting enough vacation time each year to do stuff on their own).

On the other hand, the government will pretty much have you on call 24/7 with the possibility of deploying you and it's hard to maintain relationships. Which makes it better to do when you're young and aren't married. You can live on the ship/in the barracks but you live under military rules if you do that. You can go on deployments from 6 months to a year dependent on branch and duty, which could take you to some really cool places or stick you in the middle of a desert getting shot at.

What's important is to realize why you want to do it:

Is this something you want to do or something you feel like you have to do?

Do you understand what life in the military is like(and not from watching movies. Very few movies actually get anything related to the military right)?

Are you ready to commit to a contract of 4-6 years? Which means once you start, you keep going until you're done. The moment you tell a recruiter you want to do this, you had better mean it. There are ways to get out of the military before your contract is up but they don't help you in the long run(Smoking dope, but you'll be flagged forever for getting kicked out on a drug charge).

Are you within military physical standards? Is working out part of your life right now? Boot camp will get you in shape but you have to be within standards before you can even get on the plane and your life will be hell in boot camp if you can't pass the fitness test when you get there.

Have you taken the ASVAB? It's the test they judge what jobs you qualify for from. Recruiters will give you a practice test in their office to see if you are smart enough. If you don't pass, they'll send you out the door. If you get a high score, you have a much better chance of getting what you want as far as a job(all the jobs with bonuses require a high score).

Just because you qualify for a job doesn't mean you'll get it. Just because it's available a week before you go to join doesn't mean it will available when you go to join. Be extremely wary if a recruiter says they can guarantee you a particular job before you go down to join. Some branches can do it on your contract but none of them will do it from their office.

And pretty much all the branches want you to go down to join the branch, not a particular job. If you only want one job, a lot of recruiter will show you the door.

Also, regarding branches...

In general, Navy and Air Force have more high tech jobs then army and marines.

Not all Navy jobs go to sea. A lot of Marines do go to sea(the Navy and Marines work closely together).

Every branch has jobs relating to aircraft, with the Air Force and Navy having the most and the Marines and Army having less so. Also, every branch has their own aircraft(this is a pet peeve for me because I'm tired of people telling me that the air force flies planes off of aircraft carriers).

Very few jobs in any branch involve flying in a plane/helicopter. Most of the airforce stays on the ground. It's really, really hard to become a pilot, so don't ask unless you have a BA/BS with a really high GPA. Be extremely wary if a recruiter tells you you'll be flying an aircraft anytime soon(maybe flying in one if you specially get an aircrew job).

A word about recruiters:

1. Be honest with them from the beginning. Lying to the recruiters just makes everyone life more difficult. If you aren't qualified, they will tell you immediately and if there is anything you can do. If you aren't qualified, going to another office for the same branch doesn't help. Even going to a different branch probably won't help.

2. Recruiters are required follow up people likely to join, so don't be surprised if they call you later asking if you are still interested. They will continue to do this unless you are not qualified or you tell them you don't want to join. If you really don't want to join, just tell them. They aren't allowed to assume "No contact/Won't answer the phone"="not interested". On a similar note, don't set an appointment then not show up. It's extremely rude, wastes their time and they will not be happy if they ever see you again. Reschedule or cancel if you can't make it.

3. Recruiters talk to other recruiters, so if you piss them off, you may find yourself blacklisted from one branch or possibly all of them.

4. If you talk to all the branches and then choose one, man up and tell the others you're not joining with them when they call. They should leave you alone at that point.

Finally, just to make sure you don't waste your time.....

-If you're taking prescription meds(ADD/ADHD, anti-depressents, anti-anxiety) or have in the last few years, don't bother. You have to be off them and stable to be medically eligible.

-The army won't take you if you have any kind of drug/alcohol related legal issues(MIP, DUI).

-The air force will run a credit check on you, so if you have something in collections, don't bother.

-The coast guard requires a 75 ASVAB, no criminal/legal/civil issues in your past at all(this includes speeding tickets) and no body fat exceptions for being overweight. If you do get in, be prepared to wait 2 years to go to boot camp from the time you sign up.

-None of the Branches will take felonies. Even minor ones.

-If you have a GED, don't bother unless you picked up some college credits. Most of the branches won't bother to talk to you.
 

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3aqua said:
Don't do it.
Being a member of the military, at any level (including non-combat) is a immoral action as you voluntarily are joining, aiding and assisting a institution that is responsible for thousands of deaths of innocent civilians in the middle east.
My advice has nothing to do with the economics of the situation, I am just pointing out the moral implications of joining the army.
...While fighting a group that's also responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civilians, all while handing out aid to the surviving citizens. Nothing is black and white.

OT: I've heard... unpleasant... things about the military in America, so I'm not sure it's a great choice. I don't have adequate frame of reference, though.
 

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3aqua said:
Don't do it.
Being a member of the military, at any level (including non-combat) is a immoral action as you voluntarily are joining, aiding and assisting a institution that is responsible for thousands of deaths of innocent civilians in the middle east.
My advice has nothing to do with the economics of the situation, I am just pointing out the moral implications of joining the army.
Thank you! my friend was bragging about joining the army and i was telling him the exact same thing, that his intellegence and skills were wasted in such a terrible buisness, and i didn't manage to get it across that well.

After all , who WOULDNT want to be a throwaway human being that can be tossed onto a battlefield and forced to kill other people and 9 times out of 10 be killed themselves for the sole purpose of a ***** fight between governments.
 

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sweetylnumb said:
After all , who WOULDNT want to be a throwaway human being that can be tossed onto a battlefield and forced to kill other people and 9 times out of 10 be killed themselves for the sole purpose of a ***** fight between governments.
9 times out of 10? Which military has a 90% casualty rate?
 

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thaluikhain said:
sweetylnumb said:
After all , who WOULDNT want to be a throwaway human being that can be tossed onto a battlefield and forced to kill other people and 9 times out of 10 be killed themselves for the sole purpose of a ***** fight between governments.
9 times out of 10? Which military has a 90% casualty rate?
I don't think the Red Army in WW2 had it that bad, and they lost millions.....
 

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I came onto this thread just to give advice to the OP, but the hysterical amount of utterly ludicrous statements I'm reading here is actually making this one of the more entertaining threads I've read in a while.

Apparently, since I'm a Veteran, I should feel lucky to be alive (apparently the US Military has a 90% KIA rate), I should feel lucky that I don't have crabs and am not an alcoholic, and should feel lucky that I'm not brainwashed and maintain the ability to think on my own. And apparently it's a miracle I didn't kill myself.

Gonna have some extra bounce in my step tomorrow!
 

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If you do decide to join, I'd highly suggest at least taking a ROTC class in college first as it can drastically reduce the length of your stay at boot camp and it may have other advantages as well. I joined on my 17th birthday during the Fulf war and only found out about that once I was in boot camp. If I remember right those who had taken the clas only had 2 weeks of boot camp (not that it's really bad after the first few weeks anyway).

There are MUCH better ways to make money...and honestly students loans are not going to make a huge impact in your finaces. They can only take 10% of your income away towards repaying student loans....and should be easily able to get a job that will allow you to support just yourself (even just 1 40 hour job should do it).

There are many non-skilled jobs that can pay quite well. Try getting a job at sears for instance selling televisions etc. It's usually set up as pure commission, but with a base pay ($9 an hour back when I worked there about 12 years ago)....if your don't make more then that in commission. It's an easy job...that can pay quite well if you put effort into it (I averaged about $13-$14 an hour back in the late 90's early 2000's). That was more then I made as an electronic tech, or even as the lead tech of a company.....which I needed specialized training for.

I've worked many jobs...both in and out of the military...and honestly your better off with civilian jobs in most cases...unless you get lucky. You can get stationed around the world..and sometimes you can get lucky..and have a great job..someplace in the world you would never have been able to go. That isn't very common though, and often you'll get a job you don't really want, or wouldn't have been your first choice, and/or be forced to work with people you don't get along with etc. It helps a ton if your friendly and get along with almost anyone....since you won't have much of a choice in the military who you work with.

You can save quite a bit in the military even though it doesn't pay a ton. You don't have a large amount of expenses...so as long as you don't have a family/kids...you can save a large portion of your income. As far as incentives....even when they were around they were not usually THAT great...since most of what you could get....was often available through other gov programs (at least in California). Most everyone could get an AA degree at community colleges for free...or almost free...and the military incentives often didn't pay for much more then that (At least when I joined).

It's not a horrid idea though to join, especially if you want to test yourself. I qualified for the special forces and was psyched to get trained, but washed out due to my depth perception not being good enough (needed for the scuba diving)...that would have been an AWESOME opportunity though. The test/course for it was a blast though (I came in third out of 100 people or so that ran it). I actually had a guaranteed job when I joined due to my scores (from my recruiter) but it fell through as the Gulf war ended while I was still in training and many of the positions dried up because of that.

It doesn't hurt to go take the test and see what a recruiter offers you. Also talk to them about options like what benefits there are to taking an ROTC course etc. It's been over 20 years for me, but If my memory serves after the first 2 weeks of boot camp we mostly just had to run errands etc, but it's still nice to cut your time short if possible by just taking a class first. I know I was sure jealous of the guys who got to finish early.

If I could go back in time...I would have skipped my time in the military though. It was...educational...but a waste financially for me. I made far more money (And saved far more) once I was out of the military..and I had alot more fun..and free time...doing it. Within a year of being out, I was working as an electronic tech, and within 6 months of getting my first job, I took over for the previous lead tech (basically managing technician) as I was the only employee who could troubleshoot new pagers. Within 3 years I was running shipping and handling for a large company and had 20 employees working for me. I wish I could say my time in the military helped make any of that possible...but it really didn't. I sadly look on that portion of my life as mostly wasted....but again..it was probably not the best time to be in the military as far as individuals being needed (a war had just ended and we had a surplus of men for every position).

It was all....quite an experience...at least at first. After the first few months though....It was fairly boring. I was not ever stationed outside of the US, obviously never in combat...and didn't find much excitement...which was a big part of why I had joined. Individual experiences vary greatly though. Some people have a blast in the military. You can get really lucky with where you are stationed for instance (or really unlucky sometimes too). I've heard recently of people being forced to stay in over 4 years etc...not sure if that is still happening or not. I would not have been happy with that situation if it had happened to me though.
 

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Hello there.

I am Ex-Army. So I can offer a peace of advise. The army will not take just cause you want to clear your money issue. But will take you if you want to change your life.

If you show and say you really want in then they will have you. Being in the Army will change you (no if, but, maybe, will!). for better or for worse. I lost all contact with my Son because of what the army did to me. I suffered from PTSD but I got over it. So you might think 6 years in it will take another 4 to get it out of you. That's the bad side. The good in the army depends on what you like as a person. If you get on well with others you will be fine. if you don't you WILL be bullied. Simple as.


So if you want in. Start Running every other Day. About 3 to 4 miles to start you off. And get it up to 6 to 8 before going in. it will help you have a easier Time being fit as possible (not muscle all over cause its more to run with) The army is all about fitness. If you smoke try to stop also try to avoid tattoos cause the US army have started to get funny about solders having them.
 

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I'd say join! But join the Navy... The worldwide trips away to various countries and cultures on 'run ashores' will help you with inspiration for design upon return, if that is still something you would want to do...

Also... try for officer first. ALWAYS try for officer first. Best to aim high and get knocked down, than beleive you could have had the chance, but never went for it!
 

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Well, I worked for the military/ government myself and feel that you have to be cut out for the job or else it will be pretty tough.

I sure as hell didnt do well and left asap.
I was lucky because I was working for the defense ministry and not the military so i was able to leave quickly and also still lead a pretty civilian life.

If you are going to join though I think the Air Force is less difficult.


Anyhow, why dont you just file bankruptcy?
It is hard to file for one when you have a house, a car, family to feed etc.
but when you are a student you have pretty much nothing to lose and it can rally help you start over.
 

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If you can handle the life of a military man and are in desperate need to get rid of your debts, then sure why not?
 

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I'm not going to bother with all the moral and economic arguments again joining the military. There are many.

I'm just curious if you have been tested for ADHD/ADD. Because if you couldn't focus, that is a probable cause. There are studies sometimes that can diagnose you for free if you want to check if that is a problem.

Also consider becoming a UPS driver. You will probably have to stack boxes at entry level before they let you drive. But those drivers get tons of vacation and if you keep at it, statistically, the average UPS driver has more money than doctors until they are about 50 years old, at which point doctors finally pass them up.
 

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Wow, I did not expect this much of a response. I appreciate all the advice you guys have given, and figured I answer a couple common things said so:
1. It is pretty much only for the money. I know they won't pay back my loans, but the plan was to save money from my pay and put it towards my debts.

2. I have a friend (multiple in fact) that have been or are currently in the military and they have not changed a bit. To be fair none of them have seen quote real action but they are still the same people when they went in.

3. I think on the hole I am putting it on hold. I work at a bar and have convinced the owner to teach me how to bar tend. Hopefully that goes some were (fingers crossed)