I can't get lost (Skyrim related)

[Dimitriov]

This is as stupid as the fast travel argument. If you don't like it, Ignore it. Turn it off. Use the map that came with the game and mark your own stuff.

I love fast travel and map markers. I can fit 8 hours of gaming into 1. That may be streamlined,but honestly, who cares? Most people have shit to do. And I love skyrim, I want to finish it. I want to see as much as I can. I dont want to spend most of my time with it getting from place to place and trying to find the one cave amongst 500 of them. I want to know what happens.


This isn't "dumbing down" a game, it makes it a whole lot better.

You say that, and then say you don't want to bother going through the game looking for stuff... I may well be misunderstanding you, but...

 

[Pimppeter2]

This is as stupid as the fast travel argument. If you don't like it, Ignore it. Turn it off. Use the map that came with the game and mark your own stuff.

I love fast travel and map markers. I can fit 8 hours of gaming into 1. That may be streamlined,but honestly, who cares? Most people have shit to do. And I love skyrim, I want to finish it. I want to see as much as I can. I dont want to spend most of my time with it getting from place to place and trying to find the one cave amongst 500 of them. I want to know what happens.


This isn't "dumbing down" a game, it makes it a whole lot better.

You say that, and then say you don't want to bother going through the game looking for stuff... I may well be misunderstanding you, but...

It means story wise and as much as the game has to offer. I want the game to show me. Stop being a smartass. It doesn't make anyone think you're clever.

 

[Shirastro]

This is as stupid as the fast travel argument. If you don't like it, Ignore it. Turn it off. Use the map that came with the game and mark your own stuff.

I love fast travel and map markers. I can fit 8 hours of gaming into 1. That may be streamlined, but honestly, who cares? Most people have shit to do. And I love skyrim, I want to finish it. I want to see as much as I can. I dont want to spend most of my time with it getting from place to place and trying to find the one cave amongst 500 of them. I want to know what happens.


This isn't "dumbing down" a game, it makes it a whole lot better.

I guess the first couple of times it was mentioned here didn't take so let me try again this time with CAPS:

SKYRIM DOESN'T SUPPORT PLAYING WITH COMPASS MARK OFF. NPC GIVE YOU NO DIRECTIONS TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO AND YOU ARE EXPECTED TO USE THE COMPASS MARKER.

Also i never mentioned anything about fast travel.
I like the fast travel system....at least the one we have in Skyrim/Fallout 3.
First time you have to go somewhere your self, after that fast travel is completly fine with me.

 

[Dimitriov]

This is as stupid as the fast travel argument. If you don't like it, Ignore it. Turn it off. Use the map that came with the game and mark your own stuff.

I love fast travel and map markers. I can fit 8 hours of gaming into 1. That may be streamlined,but honestly, who cares? Most people have shit to do. And I love skyrim, I want to finish it. I want to see as much as I can. I dont want to spend most of my time with it getting from place to place and trying to find the one cave amongst 500 of them. I want to know what happens.


This isn't "dumbing down" a game, it makes it a whole lot better.

You say that, and then say you don't want to bother going through the game looking for stuff... I may well be misunderstanding you, but...

It means story wise and as much as the game has to offer. I want the game to show me. Stop being a smartass. It doesn't make anyone think you're clever.

Yeah, I wasn't actually. You just don't know how to express yourself very well.

 

[Larmo]

No i never get lost and don't have much a problem with it, but i do get side-tracked easily. i start walking towards a specific objective and along the way i run into no less then five separate distractions, like ohh a cave wonder whats inside, nice a random village with a mine wonder whats in there, and neat an Orc village, whats that ,find gauntlets to enter, sure i can do that, wait what was i doing again.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Yeah, I wasn't actually. You just don't know how to express yourself very well.

Wow, I guess that's why I run one of the most successful review series on the User Review Board for the past 3 years. I'm sorry, I'll be sure that everyone here respects your massive genius, you god amongst men you.

This is as stupid as the fast travel argument. If you don't like it, Ignore it. Turn it off. Use the map that came with the game and mark your own stuff.

I love fast travel and map markers. I can fit 8 hours of gaming into 1. That may be streamlined, but honestly, who cares? Most people have shit to do. And I love skyrim, I want to finish it. I want to see as much as I can. I dont want to spend most of my time with it getting from place to place and trying to find the one cave amongst 500 of them. I want to know what happens.


This isn't "dumbing down" a game, it makes it a whole lot better.

I guess the first couple of times it was mentioned here didn't take so let me try again this time with CAPS:

SKYRIM DOESN'T SUPPORT PLAYING WITH COMPASS MARK OFF. NPC GIVE YOU NO DIRECTIONS TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO AND YOU ARE EXPECTED TO USE THE COMPASS MARKER.

Also i never mentioned anything about fast travel.
I like the fast travel system....at least the one we have in Skyrim/Fallout 3.
First time you have to go somewhere your self, after that fast travel is completly fine with me.

You can see what general direction it is from your compass, then turn it off. Follow that path.

 

[Folji]

One of the first things I did in Skyrim was to edit the .ini to hide the compass entirely. It's left the shout cooldown looking bearably awkward on the top of the screen and I keep opening the map to check if I really am going the right way (like a tourist with no sense of direction), but every now and again I catch myself looking for landmarks, following roads and reading road signs to figure out where I am and where I'm going. It's got nothing on Morrowind's sense of exploration and finding stuff out for yourself, but it beats spending time making sure I'm aligned with a specific arrow in a box of moving arrows.

 

[Jandau]

By adding the compass mark do we add or take away from the game?

Neither. We get a different game. You mention Morrowind, and while it was kinda fun at times to wander with some vague directions, many times it was tedious and annoying, trying to figure out where the person you are looking for is. It's a design decision and Beth opted for the more user-friendly approach. The game still encourages you to explore the world quite a bit, but allows you to complete your objectives in an efficient manner if that's what you want.

Yes but exploring the world on your own and trying to find something specific are two different things.
This isn't a matter of making something better, but a matter of completely removing an aspect of the game.

If you really want to boil it down to wether or not the benefits outweigh the losses, I'd say we're better off now. Spending an hour wandering around nowhere only to realize you were on the wrong side of a hill or something isn't fun.

 

[Levethian]

By adding the compass mark do we add or take away from the game?

Terrified of the amount of hours I'd need to sink into Skyrim if it didn't have quest-markers (or fast-travel).

It deducts from the quality of the experience, by say -17%. But it increases the number of experiences per hour by +56%, so the overall benefit of quest-markers is +29.48%.

 

[Shirastro]

Yeah, I wasn't actually. You just don't know how to express yourself very well.

Wow, I guess that's why I run one of the most successful review series on the User Review Board for the past 3 years. I'm sorry, I'll be sure that everyone here respects your massive genius, you god amongst men you.




You can see what general direction it is from your compass, then turn it off. Follow that path.

My, my what an incredibly unpleasant person you are. Do you always insult people who ask you for a clarification of your meaning? After all success is obviously directly linked to ability... but never mind.

As to the other point: how is "go north" a useful way to tell someone how to find something? Go north how far? Since there are often objects, like say mountains in the way, it is kind of helpful to have less vague directions.

How would an NPC know the exact location of something he's sending you too? How is giving exact details on where a location of a cave is any different than having a compass?

So than why cant we have the old Morrowind system back, since acording to you it's the same thing as the compass marker.

 

[Tharwen]

"Search this library for the book we need!"

*Marker appears pointing to the book*

The problem is that the game is often designed on the assumption that the markers will be there, so there's no way to find out where the objective is without them. The ideal game would require you to get an NPC to actually mark the location on your map, then get you to do some very small-scale searching to find the object or person you're looking for.

 

[Phlakes]

The thing about being lost is that you could be doing better things with that time. A game's job is to entertain you, and while some people are entertained by lots of wandering and guessing, most of us aren't. And still, it's optional.

 

[Radeonx]

Why would I choose getting lost and finding a random ass thing in a field of random ass things when I can just explore the wilderness on my own and go back to the quest at hand whenever I feel like it?
I don't get why it is a bad thing in ANY way. If you want to get lost in the world, turn off the quest markers and explore shit. Or just explore around yourself anyways.

 

[Dimitriov]

Yeah, I wasn't actually. You just don't know how to express yourself very well.

Wow, I guess that's why I run one of the most successful review series on the User Review Board for the past 3 years. I'm sorry, I'll be sure that everyone here respects your massive genius, you god amongst men you.




You can see what general direction it is from your compass, then turn it off. Follow that path.

My, my what an incredibly unpleasant person you are. Do you always insult people who ask you for a clarification of your meaning? After all success is obviously directly linked to ability... but never mind.

As to the other point: how is "go north" a useful way to tell someone how to find something? Go north how far? Since there are often objects, like say mountains in the way, it is kind of helpful to have less vague directions.

Yes, I'm a fairly unpleasant person with people who try to be dicks. Your tone doesn't translate over the internet. Watch your words, and if you're asking for clarification, ask for it rather than smugly pointing out one thing that is slightly different than the other 3 sentences in that paragraph. Use your brain basically, not your ass. And ability is defined by success, as much as lonely heart want to be's want it to be otherwise.


How would an NPC know the exact location of something he's sending you too? How is giving exact details on where a location of a cave is any different than having a compass?

Take your own advice buddy. I have tried be quite polite, but you are clearly not a human being worth knowing.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Aahh Morrowind...the only game where you have to find a rock near a bunch of other rocks <3
Yeah, I do say, it is kinda easy here. But hey, nearly all games are easy these days!

Well yes but why, why are games being dumbed down so much?

I guess it's the price to pay for becoming a more mainstream form of entertainment :/

Streamlining =/= dumbed down. If done wrong, then yes it is. But anything can be done wrong.

Anyway, couldn't you just not set the quest as active? Then it wouldn't have the little marks and stuff.

Like mentioned already, yes you could do that but Skyrim doesn't really support playing like this, since NPC give you no directions to where you have to go and you are expected to use the compass mark.

Yeah they do. Your little journal thing often gives directions like "Southeast of Whiterun" and NPCs will often mark your map.

 

[Shirastro]

Aahh Morrowind...the only game where you have to find a rock near a bunch of other rocks <3
Yeah, I do say, it is kinda easy here. But hey, nearly all games are easy these days!

Well yes but why, why are games being dumbed down so much?

I guess it's the price to pay for becoming a more mainstream form of entertainment :/

Streamlining =/= dumbed down. If done wrong, then yes it is. But anything can be done wrong.

Anyway, couldn't you just not set the quest as active? Then it wouldn't have the little marks and stuff.

Like mentioned already, yes you could do that but Skyrim doesn't really support playing like this, since NPC give you no directions to where you have to go and you are expected to use the compass mark.

Yeah they do. Your little journal thing often gives directions like "Southeast of Whiterun" and NPCs will often mark your map.

Well if i get it marked on the map than it isn't much of a search is it?
Plus "south-west of whatever" is a little to vague even for me.

This game was clearly designed with the compass marker in mind.

Beside, Morrowind quests without the marker might force you to do a little bit of searching but most of them were still relatively easy to find. You just had to put at least SOME effort into them. Skyrim (and Oblivion) completely removes that and it becomes just going from point A to clearly marked point B.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Yeah, I wasn't actually. You just don't know how to express yourself very well.

Wow, I guess that's why I run one of the most successful review series on the User Review Board for the past 3 years. I'm sorry, I'll be sure that everyone here respects your massive genius, you god amongst men you.




You can see what general direction it is from your compass, then turn it off. Follow that path.

My, my what an incredibly unpleasant person you are. Do you always insult people who ask you for a clarification of your meaning? After all success is obviously directly linked to ability... but never mind.

As to the other point: how is "go north" a useful way to tell someone how to find something? Go north how far? Since there are often objects, like say mountains in the way, it is kind of helpful to have less vague directions.

How would an NPC know the exact location of something he's sending you too? How is giving exact details on where a location of a cave is any different than having a compass?

So than why cant we have the old Morrowind system back, since acording to you it's the same thing as the compass marker.

Because... they just didnt feel like it?

They made the game according to what they think was best for the game. They're looking to make the game better for more people, and in general they did a good job. Why can't we have the Arena back? Why can't we have levitation? Why can't we have open cities? Why cant we have the entire continent? Why cant we have the old UI? Why dont weapons take damage? Why dont we have everything that's ever been different in a TES game ever?

I dunno... because. If it bothers you SO much, go find or make a mod that changes it. Or dont play the game at all. Its not going to be custom made to your experience alone.