I don't 'get' Racism...

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DEAD34345

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Vandenberg1 said:
lunncal said:
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So... they naturally feared the differences of those cultures, leading them to come to the belief that they are superior (ignorant of the fact that they are just different, and that their culture has nothing to do with their skin colour anyway)?

... Pretty much exactly what I said?

FINE, bad example... haha.. Back in the early 19th century the Irish immigrants arrived and were treated with more disgust then African Americans. They were called green Ni**ers. It was popularly said that an Irishmen would do for a nickel what a n**ger would do for a dime. The Italians were looked down upon similarly but not as bad. Maybe its due to them being "un-Germanic" enough Like the English, French etcetc...idk exactly. Wacth Gangs of New York tho for goodexample. Its about the first Irishimmigrants, their struggles and..GANG FIGHTS THAT WOULD MAKE TODAYS DRIVE BYS LOOK PU**YISH!
Racists may have seen other ethnicities do bad things (such as the Irish gang fights you mentioned), but to somehow decide that the reason they do these bad things is due to their ethnicity is illogical and ignorant. The only reason it happens at all is that people are already scared of the differences, so they are eager to attribute negative things to it.

If a white person saw another white person steal their car, they would think that the thief was a bad person. If a white person saw a black person steal their car, their natural (and illogical and irrational) fear of those that are different might cause them to decide that all black people were bad people. This is completely ignorant of the truth (that skin colour does not cause you to be a bad person), and my explanation still applies.
 

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Because countless years of evolution has favored organisms genetically programed to prefer those creatures within a somewhat genetically related, mutually beneficial tribe, and to mercilessly exploit any that do not provide similar advantages. Race is a convenient indicator of whats genetically more desireable for propagating your genes. Decent people understand the irrationality and try there best to dismiss it, but everyone is touched by it on some remote level.
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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Thanks for all the replies people.
But i thought that racism stemed from the fact that balck people were enslaved, hence becoming slaves and just simply becoming possesions and non-human things in our (thankfully, not us it would seem) eyes, and once they became 'people' so to speak a lot of that meantality was retained.
But then i realised that it doesn't apply to other nationalities.
Racism... so pointless.
 

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I think a partial explanation for racism (and prejudice in general) is that we generally associate any group other than our own with the most obnoxious members of that other group, because they get our attention.

Inside of our own group, we already take for granted that there are some incredibly nice people and some total assholes. We judge other groups (race, sexual orientation, gender, religion) based on the ones who are the most noticeable. They also usually tend to be the most aggravating.

While driving, I might pass (and get passed by) a hundred drivers of predominantly african descent, and not even notice, because they're not really affecting my day. However, the moment somebody cuts me off, or nearly runs me off the road because they didn't check their blind spot before changing lanes, I'll look to see who this jerk is. If it's a white guy, I'll mutter "moron" under my breath. If he's black... "Wow, n****rs can't drive!". Or "Women can't drive", "Ch**ks can't drive", "S**cs can't drive", or "Quebecois can't drive!".

If a black guy is quietly walking down the street, I won't pay him (or the twenty or so other unobtrusive black men) any mind, because he's not doing anything to attract my attention. I WILL notice the black guy who's being excessively loud, and, hey, look, black people sure are loud, aren't they?

I actually had a guy in Toronto comment to me about how annoying and loud American tourists are, not realizing that I was an American tourist because I WASN'T being loud and obnoxious. He was embarrassed when I pointed my nationality out to him, but I assured him that after encountering several groups of loud, obnoxious American tourists that day, I was starting to hate Americans too.
 
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I suppose with intelligence comes feelings of superiority, kinda makes you wonder how intelligent, or lacking thereof, some people are. Especially when the majority of people who think they are better than others should have been taken by Darwinian law yonks ago.
 

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Racism isn't something you 'get.' Nor will you ever. Put simply, it's irrational. It stems from fear, ignorance and a lack of (proper) education. Ever had a phobia? Been afraid of something you know you shouldn't logically? Same concept.
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
Thanks for all the replies people.
But i thought that racism stemed from the fact that balck people were enslaved,...
I wonder how common this is?
Blacks do not have a monopoly on racism.
It did not begin with European enslavement(btw slavery was common in Africa long before Europeans arrived).
It affects, and can be perpetrated by all "races".
 

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Racism: Ill bet most of it is learned
I 100% agree, i used to have mates that were black, asian and mediteranean when i was in primary school, i knew they were a different colour than me but it never even crossed my mind that that made us different.

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while i myself am against rasism, i can see where people get rasist ideas from. I live in england, and there are a lot of people where i live that you can tell grew up in a different country, in fact, quite a lot of people where i live don't speak english much if at all. While i don't understand why it would be conscidered a negative, there are a lot of differences in the way people think and act depending on what type of society they grew up in.

Some people see cultural differences as a means of discriminating about how they are superior becasue they're in their own country. While i don't believe it makes me superior, i don't like it when the english government allow loads of people from war or poverty ridden countries to come into our contry, take our homes, and our jobs and we in turn get treated like second class citizens because we've lived in england our whole lives and don't need to be buttered up to.

I think our government just doesn't get what to do to help other people. we should be helping to make their home countries a healthy and prosperous place to live, rather than bundelling as many people into a tiny island as possible.


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It's not the colour of the skin. It's how they are, Chris Rock did it best. A respectful black businessman is just a man. But the black guy who blindsides you and steals your wallet is a ******.
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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Stublore said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
Thanks for all the replies people.
But i thought that racism stemed from the fact that balck people were enslaved,...
I wonder how common this is?
Blacks do not have a monopoly on racism.
It did not begin with European enslavement(btw slavery was common in Africa long before Europeans arrived).
It affects, and can be perpetrated by all "races".
Yeah, tht's the thing i'm getting at, that theory doesn't cover all forms of racism, and people enslaving their own people doesn't really form racism, since they are the same race to you, but it does crate something equally as terrible.
And i don't see were monopoly comes into this...
 

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It's "us and them", simplising the world to colours, names, sounds, etc and labeling them "evil" or "good" or whatever. It's a whole load of shit, but it's what some people do.
 

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In South Africa, everyone's a racist. Blacks and whites. Everybody pretty much just hates each other. Whites blame crime on blacks, blacks just blame whites for whatever. I'm not a part of any of this as I believe in peace.
 

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The main thing one must understand about Racism, at least the main thing I understand about it, is that racism, like many other hatreds that exist for seemingly no reason come from a combination of the Bible and the general aspect of human nature of finding something about someone else that makes you superior or makes them inferior. It is said in the bible that the darker your skin tone, the more sin your body contains within it, so racism may have evolved from the idea that whites were pure of heart because their skin was lighter and therefore better. Same thing with sexism, or homophobia. The Bible tells us that homosexuality is wrong, as well as telling many a story about how women cause calamity and chaos, such as the original sin caused by Eve when she ate the Fruit of Knowledge.

Now, this isn't to say that only white males are in the wrong. It is general human nature to try and find yourself superior to others and to treat those whom you feel are lesser than yourself like shit.
 

TheSmokingFox

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logic has little to do with hate. one of those things that just seems worth fighting for. personally i have no idea why we hate, but it always seems like something worth hating by those people.
 

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People naturally hate other people that are different. Do you judge a book by it's cover? Do you see someone and judge them stereotypically by how they appear? You are by definition, prejudice.
TheSmokingFox said:
logic has little to do with hate.
It's a Psycho-logically effect. ;)
 

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Racism will never end, or if it does (somehow) it will be replaced by a completely new thing. The only real way any prejudice will end is when everyone stops paying so much fu**ing attention to it! The only reason we pay attention to racism is because the media and politicians like to use controversial subjects for their causes. But seriously even if everyone stopped paying attention to it, there would always be that one f***ing dumba** c*** that is just racist to be a prick.
That's life, that's the way life will always be, deal with it.
 

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::Sigh:: I hate it when I show up late to these topics. ::Rolls up sleeves:: Here goes.

Racism, like any other kind of ism, is not about hate. It's about laziness.

See, it goes like this: people's lives are complicated. Deciding whether or not to have coffee with breakfast in the morning is easy: do you feel awake enough? If not, have some caffeine. No, I'm talking about the difficult stuff: do I invest this $3,000 windfall I've got right now, or do I use to fix the problem I've been saving up to fix for the last four weeks?

What does this have to do with 'race?' Well, it has more to do with your brain. People like to make their decision making easier by lumping things into groups. "These are anise-flavored jellybeans, I don't like them, ergo I will not buy this bag of jellybeans." We make hundreds of sorting decisions like that a week, sometimes a day if you've got a lot of decisions to make. Facing down that many decisions is daunting, because you want to get things 'right,' but that's a lot of data to process. So you sort things.

The problem is that this process is used with everything we have to do. We always look for patterns and sort by them. We even sort people this way.

About 65% of the time it's harmless. You can make assumptions like 'He's from Georgia; he's eaten peach pie before.' The remaining 35% of the time is where we get into trouble. It's also super easy to do so, because our principle sense we use for sorting things is sight. The 'races' as they are traditionally defined, are based on physical characteristics that can be observed, which is a horrible distortion of the truth. People even from very visually different 'races' are typically quite similar genetically, since all the things that make humans come in different sizes and colors occupies about .000000001% of our total DNA. The rest is basic life-functioning (how to form cell walls, how to process proteins, that kind of thing).

But it's hard to treat people like individual snowflakes. It's much easier to treat them as groups of people. Helps in the sorting and the pattern recognition. The problem is that 35% can give you a very skewed lazy view of the world, which will disadvantage you and those around you quite a bit. Most cultures on this planet are fine with you digging your own grave, it's when you drag other people in that it's a problem.

Worse yet, this problem compounds itself. If you segregate a 'race,' then they will tend towards the same culture, because you're forcing them too. People with extremely racist perspectives take this as prima facie evidence that they're right. Look up self-fulfilling prophecy. That sort of thing.

Even more worse yet, because this is natural human behavior and it exists only in the human mind, it's incredibly hard to police it, and sometimes even to identify it.

Racism isn't about hate. It's about using hate because you don't have a different option, because you haven't trained yourself out of not just lumping a group of people together in a simple group, like 'money-loving Jews' or 'violent Italians.'
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
Pretty straight-foward, i just don't understand racism.
Why are people Racist?
What is it about the colour of you're skin that makes you 'better' than others?
I just can't put my finger on it, why is there racism in the world?
To me it doesn't make any logical sense.
So, what are your thoughts on this?
Ask Howard Bloom. Or read his Lucifer Principal.

Most racists are raised to be such; some have only a few encounters with certain races at an early age, few to none of which are positive.

Ignorance, denial and projection/misdirection are probably the three biggest contributors.
 

TheSmokingFox

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I do not like the idea or condone it, but hate is a sociological fact. But we can change that,i just don't know exactly how. I apologize if this appeared to make me seem prejudice, But honestly i believe hate, like respect is earned. Also one thing i feel is making things worse is turning race into a taboo subject, the majority of each race conforms to some stereotypes, this seems to cause anger and mistrust. But that is because it is looked at as such for no reason, seems like a solution even though it may be far more effective to late stereotype humor and facts about certain groups of people whether racial or not should be discussed openly among friends.

Thanks.