I don't hate the new Dante..

[Vault101]

granted my only experience with him is Playstation allstars, which...ok isn't the best Idea of what he's like really

I mean yeah, he clearly is an asshole, but honestly for whatever reason I find myself more drawn to liking him than hating him, I don't know what or why that is

now old dante....I don't like at all

I did play the original devil may cry...granted not for long, I didn't like it very much, and I really don't like the original dante, I think my main problem is his apearance...he's got that stupid anime reject look, with that dumb shit-eating grin

perhpas new dantes more "grounded" apearance helps me identify with him more..and really I'm not going on much here aside from apearance and general impressions, I admit

[b/]discussion vale[/b] before you acuse me of trolling or being an idiot (the latter is ok) do you hold it against "new" fans for liking the "rebooted" version of your favorite IP? do you think people should try and aproach things with more sunjectivity than nostalga/emotion?

 

[hazabaza1]

Having played the demo, it's nice to see that the game doesn't suck, but I still don't like new Dante.
Old Dante was a prick, sure, but this Dante... like, you know when someone has an abusive father so when they go to school they try to copy the abuse they receive so they can feel big and just come off as a bit of a ****?
That's the vibe this one gives me. Attempting to be something more than he is and coming off as a massive tryhard.

Also I don't remember a single "shit" or "fuck" in DMC3 or 4 so seeing Dante and... whatever that boss thing was constantly throwing swears at one another (I think she calls you a Piss-Weasel at one point) is just weird.

 

[Zhukov]

I think they're both douches.

The old one had that irritating too-cool-for-school anime guy thing going on. The new one just seems like a regular prick trying way too hard to be rebellious and edgy [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/5832-DmC-Devil-May-Cry-E3-Trailer].

 

[snowbear]

Problem I have with this is Dante is a very established character I don't see why they felt the need to reboot him when they could have just pulled another Nero on us.

As for stupid anime look.... Whats wrong with anime? I actually enjoyed the DMC anime sure wasn't the best but defo watchable.


I guess its reboots that I have a problem with in general. What the hell is wrong with a new character or heaven forbid a completely new IP sheesh

 

[StormShaun]

No, I actually don't mind this Dante. I like both Dantes'...
Well I actually liked Nero the most for some unknown reason, must be that awesome arm of his.

The point is that I don't give a carp about Dante or his looks. I am still loving the game play and I am going to pre-order it soon. ^.^

 

[Vault101]

As for stupid anime look.... Whats wrong with anime? I actually enjoyed the DMC anime sure wasn't the best but defo watchable.

I have no issue with Anime

its just that certain "Anime look" you get in those videogames, theres just somthing I don't like about it (like raiden from metal gear in playstation allstars looks so fucking stupid I want to punch him in the face....dont worry its just me)

I think they're both douches.

The old one had that irritating too-cool-for-school anime guy thing going on. The new one just seems like a regular prick trying way too hard to be rebellious and edgy [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/5832-DmC-Devil-May-Cry-E3-Trailer].

you hit the nail on the head there....though because of my bias I'd glady prefer the latter

 

[DoPo]

do you hold it against "new" fans for liking the "rebooted" version of your favorite IP?

well, obviously they are wrong
No, not really. I'm annoyed at reboots, generally, but I see no reason to dislike people who like them. If I want to, I can find a reason to dislike them, I don't need a justification of "you like something I don't want you to like, hurr!"

do you think people should try and aproach things with more sunjectivity than nostalga/emotion?

I suppose. I am tolerant to reboots done well, and I'm usually willing to give them a chance. While not my favourites, I'm really fond of the new World of Darkness and D&D 4th edition (go ahead, hate me - and you'll be wrong).

However, stuff like DmC drives me up the wall - no it's not "he has different hair" stuff, it's the fact that the old continuity was perfectly viable - why reboot it? Also, DmC looks like an interesting setting, why do they need to coat it with Dante on top? Heck, they can just change half a dozen games and maybe tweak some character models and it should be a game capable of standing up on its own.

 

[Shadowstar38]

I enjoy the old, and REAL, Dante a whole lot more. And not even when comparing the two. Dante is better designed, and has a more likeable personality. He comes off as a guy that's actually cool and does things because they're fun. Emo Prick comes off as a guy trying to impress everyone, and becomes grating for it.

I don't mind people liking Emo Prick. It's the assholes that have the attitude that every complaint thrown against him is just fanboy bitching. Fans of a series had a character they really enjoyed and a game company just erased everything and started over with some new douch who has no resemblance of what we use to enjoy. That would suck ass if it happened to any other character.

If you're going to go in this direction, just make your own game with your own characters. At least then we have no expectations for how these people should act. Ninja Theory shot themselves in the foot right away.

Basically, I'm hoping this game bombs hard enough to make Capcom rethink things and make a proper DMC 5.

 

[Windcaler]

The new one bugs me to no end. He just seems so...immature and inconsequential. Like a bratty teenager. Granted the old Dante had some issues but at least he felt like a real character and between the first and second ones you saw some actual character development as he heads off to hell to stop a coming apocolypse

At the end of the day I dont hate this new guy but neither can I call him Dante as in the real Dante because he isnt. He just doesnt seem to have anything in common (personality wise) with the earlier incarnations of Dante. Ultimately I think if anything can be taken away from this change its that this is how character reboots SHOULDNT happen

 

[TehCookie]

I hate the new Dante since I prefer rejected anime look to heroin hobo. Dante wasn't suppose to be relateable, he was an over the top character that was fun. The new Dante is so edge I'd get cut if I got close. I don't mind the cheesy lines either. Flock off featherface may be cringeworthy but it's funny and enjoyable. FUCK YOU!!! is not.

If you like it FUCK YOU!!!!

Seriously, I hate them for supporting the bastardizations of one of my favorite games and killing the series. Names are important, they should stand for a bar of expectations and quality. I was one of the people who liked Nero to begin with since they created a new character and left Dante alone. DmC would of been interesting as it's own IP but it's a shitty Devil May Cry. People who like the new one never liked or got into the old DMC. If you played the old one you should know what's wrong with this picture.

Then again my favorite part of DMC was pulling off a SSS taunt, since it made me feel like a total badass. Though I do want to see if the leaked DmC ending is true for the shitstorm.

 

[Baralak]

This guy isn't bad.

The old Dante was a definition try hard. "Look at me, I have 2 guns and a sword! Aren't I cool! Look how cool I am, I'm fighting while eating some pizza! LOOK HOW COOL I AM, I JUST SLIDE MY SWORD DOWN A TABLE AND RAN WITH IT! I'M SO COOL!!!" He seriously pisses me off, because the gameplay in the games are pretty fun (although I despise the fixed camera, and the gameplay itself was refined in Bayonetta, god I can't wait for 2!), but he's just such a douchey tryhard, I wouldn't be surprised if some cast member of Jersey Show idolized him.

 

[King Billi]

Never played any Devil May Cry before, at all...

I thought the demo for DmC was very cool looking and alot of fun though .

The main character is certainly obnoxious but I really don't mind since his personality matches with the style and setting of the game and I've seen far worse protagonists in other games.


People really just need to get over it in the end, play the game or don't if you feel you need to make some kind of statement but do you honestly think it's going to matter in the future?

What I mean by that is that if the Devil May Cry series is still considered a classic decades from now then certainly the original iteration of Dante is going to be the one remembered not the new guy so why bother whining about it?

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Dante was never, to me, a trans-generational character. The old dante just doesn't fit with current trends, and unfortunately for fans of that dante, DMC is always a style over substance series. Dante changed, because the style that embodies Dantes character changed. At least they are rebooting it and not, say, remaking it with these new aesthetics. There is a difference.

I don't like the new Dante mind. Aesthetically I find him lacking. He looks like one of the bajillion my space and facebook self-shots one could find without difficulty.

That said, Dante, much like batman, was always second fiddle to the things he interacts with. I've grown tired of that combat system though... the brawler/shooter is undoubtedly fun, but I'm not sure if I can stomach another full game with it.

I'll hold my tongue on reboots for the moment. As of this point I have never been bothered by them, but I recently heard rumours that Soul Reaver is being rebooted and that might change my view of them.

 

[Vault101]

Dante was never, to me, a trans-generational character. The old dante just doesn't fit with current trends.

I don't see how its the responsibility of IP's to keep with trends

 

[Baralak]

Dante was never, to me, a trans-generational character. The old dante just doesn't fit with current trends.

I don't see how its the responsibility of IP's to keep with trends

Oh, that's simple. If the IP doesn't keep up with the times, and adjust itself for modern trends, it won't sell, feeling antiquated. It'd be like the Nintendo 64 launching with a 2d Super Mario game. "3D is just a trend, we don't need to keep up with it!"

 

[Lovely Mixture]

I don't think you're trolling, it's perfectly fine to like something that many others don't, in-fact that's probably what the reboot's point was. They new the risks of alienating the fanbase, but hoped to gain some new fans.

I would have no problem with this reboot if it wasn't a reboot (I mean I would criticize it still for dumb dialogue and silly setting). I was never a HUGE fan of the DMC series, but it's like the Nuns in the Hitman Absolution trailer, it's corrupting the idea of the series for some of us.

But, I can deal with that corruption, the jokes that the reboot has made are entertaining enou-FUCK YOU


I only take one issue with your critique of the old Dante.

with that dumb shit-eating grin

But the new Dante's grin doesn't piss you off?

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Dante was never, to me, a trans-generational character. The old dante just doesn't fit with current trends.

I don't see how its the responsibility of IP's to keep with trends

It's not its responsibility. Its not doing it out of necessity or demand. It also isn't strictly keeping with trends.


Look there are a few things to note about dante.

First off, there is only a few characteristics dante holds to. His distinctive red coat, Being a badass brawler and his Devil may care attitude. After that his character has not been consistent. The Grimdark Dante of DMC2 is a leap away from DMC3's wisecracking pizza eating punk. While that is explained away by his age difference between them (barely mind you) it doesn't change the fact that, as a character, he hasn't been consistently represented. Heck in DMC 4 dante isn't even the core character.

Classic Dante: Rock n Roll counter culture character.
DMC2: Grimdark Goth character.
DMC3: Rebellious Punk character.
DMC4: ... I can't remember.

DMC: ?... I'm not sure. Is he emo (I doubt it, as they are far from Devil May Care) or some other trend? I've fallen away from understanding current classifications.

But forgetting all that for now, the new Dante is been made by a different developer AND its a reboot. So they are taking the basic principles of classic dante and moulding him with a contemporary image of Devil may Care characteristics.

It's very much deliberate. Whether it works or not is a different issue.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

So they are taking the basic principles of classic dante and moulding him with a contemporary image of Devil may Care characteristics.

It's very much deliberate. Whether it works or not is a different issue.

Indeed, this is where the controversy really stems from. Fitting with contemporary culture is seen as deliberately making it to sell well instead of trying to make something creative.

 

[Vault101]

I only take one issue with your critique of the old Dante.

with that dumb shit-eating grin

But the new Dante's grin doesn't piss you off?

eh...its the anime thing..but your right in that new dante isnt much better in that regard