I don't hate the new Dante..

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Snotnarok

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I think his design was best before because it fit that shit eating grin he had before opposed to the dumb realism they've applied in the new one. DMC isn't about realism, or sanity, it's about fast moves, crazy combos and being over the top, with really lame named combo counters with Dante being an over-cocky super strong half demon.

This is like shaving Marios mustache and making him an tough trash talker, instead of happy and spitting out random cheerful dialog. It's irritating.
 

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Tohuvabohu said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Basically, I'm hoping this game bombs hard enough to make Capcom rethink things and make a proper DMC 5.
Isn't there a chance that this game's failure may cause Capcom to bury the series in the dirt and never make a new one ever again?
Doubtful. The fans have made enough noise that Capcom will know why it failed and fix it from there.
 

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The thing I despise about the new Dante is not only does he try to hard to be "cool" but Tameem said that new Dante will acts like every modern day teenager.
Not only does that offend me (17 years of age), but thats complete BS that he acts like a teenager.
You go watch the original announcement trailer and you can see that they were gonna go for an angst driven cigarette smoking teenage character, (nothing like the old Dante at all if I might add) but after all the fan outcry, guess what they did...
They copy pasted old Dante's cocky attitude and persona to the new Dante's character model, thus creating Donte, the poser trying super hard to act edgy, hip, and real by yelling out "F*** you!" (which is seriously one of the worst dialogue heavy scenes I've seen in my life) and to win back the hearts of the fans. Except for me, cause it obviously failed. Also the new Devil Trigger is also petty pandering, instead of doing something new with devil trigger design wise, they do the unthinkable...

OT: If you played a lot of the old games and then play the new one's demo you'll see that nothing is retained from the original game, i'll admit its a good Ninja Theory game, but a horrible DMC game.
kyosai7 said:
This guy isn't bad.

The old Dante was a definition try hard. "Look at me, I have 2 guns and a sword! Aren't I cool! Look how cool I am, I'm fighting while eating some pizza! LOOK HOW COOL I AM, I JUST SLIDE MY SWORD DOWN A TABLE AND RAN WITH IT! I'M SO COOL!!!"
He acts like that because of his youth, he is just simply too powerful to the point where he can have fun while mowing down enemies in ridiculous ways and not feel threatened. That was his character he was STYLISH from the very beginning. Plus old Dante wasn't always like this, after 3's ending he becomes a lot more mournful in DMC1 after what happens to his brother, he grows up as a character (disregarding the dark souls with liiiiiight scene...). Imo the new Dante acts tryhard, the dialogue they give him lacks wit/the cleverness Dante had especially when it came to interacting with his opponents especially with his brother. Those scenes with him and Vergil are so much fun to watch it never gets old.

To each their own, I respect your opinion on Dante either way.
 

Shia-Neko-Chan

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I hate it because it legitimizes the idea that Dante in any way needs to be changed from the character he was before. It legitimizes the idea that lame, gritty western-realistic designs are necessarily better than Japanese ones. It's pretty much the same thing as the new gritty Bomberman for Xbox 360. Everyone hated that game and for good reason.

I like Dante for his stylishness and charm. All the qualities I liked about the old Dante have been changed for a new character with the same name that could've just been put into a new game all together instead of changing exactly why I even kept myself interested in the series.

I'm not interested in this new character as a replacement and I won't support it. Put him in his own game, but don't change what was already great.
 

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Can't say I hate the guy either, just can't take him very seriously (which I'm pretty sure is what was intended in the first place, I hope).

He's kinda like the Edward of video gaming in my opinion, a pubertal fantasy taken to it's ridiculous extreme. Which I'll probably get flamed for saying...

But hey, nothing wrong with pubertal fantasies.
 

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I just played the Devil May Cry demo and was pleasantly surprised. The only appeal Dante ever had for me was the fact that he was a douchebag. An over-the-top slickster who, if he wasn't carrying a gigantic sword, would garner disgust from everyone around him. To me, there's something charming about the guy who's "too cool for school" (as long as I don't have to relate to these people in reality).

New Dante is pretty much just an updated version of old Dante. The exact style may have changed, but the underlying hipster-douche we all know and love is still in there, complete with terrible jokes. I was booing my TV at 4 in the morning because of the "church just drags on" joke from the demo.

Unrelated to the forum topic, but they seem to be taking the level design and combat systems to some pretty neat areas. Being a combo-monkey, I had oodles of fun designing ways to juggle and destroy opponents (being able to unlock different movesets with the triggers really opens up the possibilities for creatively kicking ass).
 

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el_kabong said:
New Dante is pretty much just an updated version of old Dante. The exact style may have changed, but the underlying hipster-douche we all know and love is still in there, complete with terrible jokes.
whoa whoa whoa....

hipster?

I really can't imagine new dante hanging out in books store or coffe shops (thats where hipsters go isnt it?) and talking about "obscure band x...oh wait you havn't heard of it"

EDIT: the only hipster I see is his trendy haircut...I mean you put him in a scarf and shirt with the different colured sleeves mabye
 

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Vault101 said:
el_kabong said:
New Dante is pretty much just an updated version of old Dante. The exact style may have changed, but the underlying hipster-douche we all know and love is still in there, complete with terrible jokes.
whoa whoa whoa....

hipster?

I really can't imagine new dante hanging out in books store or coffe shops (thats where hipsters go isnt it?) and talking about "obscure band x...oh wait you havn't heard of it"

EDIT: the only hipster I see is his trendy haircut...I mean you put him in a scarf and shirt with the different colured sleeves mabye
I think hipster is a term that can be interpreted in many ways. I always took it in the sense of someone falsely believing that they are somehow cooler than others. Typically, these assertions are laughable (again, I'll use the "too cool for school" expression). I think that they've been called many things throughout history (posers, etc.) and hipster is the most recent incarnation.

Maybe I'm misusing the term, but I equate Dante's attitude as the same type of desperate attempt to stand out as hipsters partake in.
 

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Vault101 said:
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its just that certain "Anime look" you get in those videogames, theres just somthing I don't like about it (like raiden from metal gear in playstation allstars looks so fucking stupid I want to punch him in the face....dont worry its just me)
its never just you, iM guessing you never played Metal Gear Solid 2, with Raiden being the fucking worst , the way he walked around o I hated him and his little pussy ass whining to his girlfriend

I think before hating you should at least give it a try, but it is also fun to hate things indiscriminately and without reason on the internet
 

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el_kabong said:
Maybe I'm misusing the term, but I equate Dante's attitude as the same type of desperate attempt to stand out as hipsters partake in.
it seems like you kind of are (from my experience)

I got the impression being a "hipster" is a more specific version of (I'm cooler than you) people who consider themselfs more cultured, more "mature" and just better because they like Indie/obscure stuff...using obscurity as a measure for quality,also a kind of "image" somone who uses a mabook to write their novel..who lives in new york and goes to starbucks...the kind of person who would like the quirky zoey whatshername charachter (just an impression I get) though it also seems to influnce fashion a bit thease days...a certain look I see alot of people have

theres somthing truth in this no doubt in that mainstrean can often suck....

new Dante isn't hipster....he's more punk but he's not punk...he's just kind of "modern cool"
funksobeefy said:
I think before hating you should at least give it a try, but it is also fun to hate things indiscriminately and without reason on the internet
I maintain I am absolutly justified in wanting to punch raiden in the face....
 

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In the end i guess if you want to like this game, fine. Given that you never really played that much of the originals, you seem to be basing it off of your only experiences. And you know what, that's fine, you've been reasonably respectable about it.

The issue has mainly been that, from the getgo, the development of this game and the PR surrounding it has been an utter mess in every capacity. And the way Dante was handled has been no exception.

The original Dante had some sense of style, wit and was a bit at odds with his setting: He came from a world were the setting was, if you look at it, is damned bleak with Demons coming out of the woodworks and waiting to make the living world hell. Dante was at odds with this: He had a cheerful cockiness that made him interesting to watch and fun to play as. Was he a jerk at times? Yes, but he wasn't an irredeemable unrepetant asshole and had some convictions that he stuck too throughout the games and did go through some mild character development. I won't deny he wasn't exactly written with the depth of an "A song of Ice and Fire" character, but he wasn't a blank slate either.
When you played as and observed Dante, there was this kind of welcome feeling: He was like an extreme sports junky you had as a drinking buddy, who treated the gameplay experience as this: "This worlds horrors are coming out of the woodwork and we gotta stop 'em...Let's go have some fun!"

This new Dante, by comparison, seems very insecure and EVERY. DAMNED. THING he says is cringeworthy. "Donte da Demon Killa!" isn't confident, he doesn't come across as witty just a juvenile tryhard that is trying to act as though he's confident but is in truth just coming across as a poser. He also doesn't bring with him the same "Dark Setting, Jovial character" as the original. He seems more...annoyed at everything, as though he doesn't want to be in this game and seems to be less "Let's go have some fun tearing these guys up!" and more "Enemies? Urgh....let's just get this shit over with. Looking cool is hard..being annoyed is cool right?" His backstory just seems to make him seem more like a fanfic character then anything else.

Vergil too, got a pretty bad deal. I have to give ninja theory some credit here though: They managed to make one of the most intriguing and ambiguous badass characters of the Devil May Cry series...and make him totally boring. I admit Vergil isn't exactly terrible, but...he just seems to bland and boring to how he used to be. I think it's the voice. He lacks the physical presense and commanding aura the original had, and he really just seems more like an office worker trying to emulate his boss after he gets stuck in a new job..and it shows. He flip-flops around a bit, such as in the scene when he complains about Dante risking everything to save Kat....and after Dante says one thing, he just goes "I guess...we can do it your way..". Which leads me to my last problem: He doesn't appear to have a backbone, something Vergil originally had IN SPADES.

So between characters being eviscerated and rewritten as if something out of a 13 year olds fanfiction, a story that seems to abandon the original themes of the series (Humanity and how it's ability to feel emotions and have a true soul, is what makes them superior to demons. And how Dante is strong because of his humanity, not in spite of it), the straight up disrespect and terrible PR this game has had (Tameem is no longer allowed to open his mouth for the rest of this project as far as I'm concerned) and...just generally terrible decisions:

TehCookie said:
The short of it is, we're pissed about how poorly this game has been handled and how the creators have been acting. Dante is just one small part. But, if you like it you like it..but do understand there is more to this issue then just "New Dante".

Phew, that went on far longer then i would have liked....
 

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Infernai said:
That was a good post, here have another picture of it's awesome gameplay.

[font color=e6e7e8]inb4 b-b-but they'll fix it![/font]
 

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After more thought, I'd say it's at least a bit commendable that Ninja Theory wanted to make a setting to their DMCverse.

NameIsRobertPaulson said:
For me, the new DMC is Castlevania: Lords of Shadow all over again.

1st step: take popular brand
2nd step: remove almost everything recognizable, leaving only base elements (Dracula in one, Dante in the other)
3rd step: add systems that made other games from somewhat similar genres sell (God of War in both instances)
It's disturbing how accurate this is.

NameIsRobertPaulson said:
4th step: Insult everyone that does not like your design changes
Can you source on any of this? For the DMC bit, I only recall dumb journalists being like this.
 

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What's sad about the whole game is that Ninja Theory could've avoided the whole mess by being lazier.

Don't redesign all the characters into something different (everybody gets white hair), make a similar storyline to DMC 1 (no half angels, and there is no evil corporations, anonymous or Bill O'Reilly; just nasty demons), and copy/paste the combat from DMC 3-4 (This might've actually caused effort on Ninja Theory's part, since I'm pretty sure the current DmC system was ripped from Heavenly Sword).

Could've skipped months of planning and coming up with a unique script, and only a minority of fans would be hating Ninja Theory right now.

Unlike the current first person shooter genre, the 3-D beatemup/ hack and slash genre requires that we get the same thing every release, because there have been so many awful changes happening when the developers try to mix things up. (See "Ninja Gaiden 3" or "Devil May Cry 2", and you could probably add this game as well.)
 

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TehCookie said:
I hate the new Dante since I prefer rejected anime look to heroin hobo. Dante wasn't suppose to be relateable, he was an over the top character that was fun. The new Dante is so edge I'd get cut if I got close. I don't mind the cheesy lines either. Flock off featherface may be cringeworthy but it's funny and enjoyable. FUCK YOU!!! is not.

If you like it FUCK YOU!!!!

Seriously, I hate them for supporting the bastardizations of one of my favorite games and killing the series. Names are important, they should stand for a bar of expectations and quality. I was one of the people who liked Nero to begin with since they created a new character and left Dante alone. DmC would of been interesting as it's own IP but it's a shitty Devil May Cry. People who like the new one never liked or got into the old DMC. If you played the old one you should know what's wrong with this picture.


Then again my favorite part of DMC was pulling off a SSS taunt, since it made me feel like a total badass. Though I do want to see if the leaked DmC ending is true for the shitstorm.
I call hax! I ran through the demo twice and never grabbed higher than an A, even with my prior DMC experience.

Which brings me to my point. I am a fan. I have played all 4 installments several times and even read the books for more story. I'm insulted that you say if I'm not insulted I'm not a fan. I like this new game. There is nothing wrong with re-imaginings. But then again, I'm also a comics fan and used to alternate universes with varying degrees of tone and congruity.
 

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Nieroshai said:
I call hax! I ran through the demo twice and never grabbed higher than an A, even with my prior DMC experience.

Which brings me to my point. I am a fan. I have played all 4 installments several times and even read the books for more story. I'm insulted that you say if I'm not insulted I'm not a fan. I like this new game. There is nothing wrong with re-imaginings. But then again, I'm also a comics fan and used to alternate universes with varying degrees of tone and congruity.
I personally hate the re-imagining, but I can understand how others may like it. However if you're a fan how can you like the dumbed down combat? I'm not even good at DMC and I played through the demo on hard without losing a bar of health, the worst part is I got hit. As for your ranking problem, just copy the .gif and you will see it's true. Or spam the axe, it's damage based and never goes down. You get less style points for mixing it up and long combos.
 

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I originally didn't like the appearance change. I still like the old over-the-top appearance better, but I've sort of accepted the new appearance. The thing that bothers me is that the voice acting, and some of the dialogue in the new DMC is absolutely cringe worthy. Even in the demo there was an exchange along the lines of "You're here," said watshername, "I'm here," responds Dante without even a hint of irony or sarcasm. Titillating stuff that... Also, did Dante seriously lower himself to a shouting match with a giant worm? I know the old Dante could be a ****, but he was usually a **** in style at least. I did enjoy the visuals of the game, but I guess that's not the point of this thread so I'll shut up now.