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MercurySteam

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Major Tom said:
MercurySteam said:
That's because the OFLC never issued any nudity warnings. And neither did the ESRB. (go check their website if you don't beleve me)

And any smart person knows the OFLC website is http://www.oflc.gov.au (empahsis on the .au part).

Plus if you search Left 4 Dead 2 [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/d853f429dd038ae1ca25759b0003557c/981b9f23b74dbc0aca2576480057fedc!OpenDocument] on their website, it says under version "Revised". (That's Australian alright!)

Some (not all games) say www.oflc.gov.au on the rating stamp on the back. And let's not forget the OFLC put the Australian Coat of Arms [http://www.dest.gov.au/archive/HIGHERED/eippubs/eip02_4/coat_of_arms.gif] on Halo 1 + 2 as they are a government organisation.
Wait, wait. We seem to be talking past each other here. I read you initial post as indicating that the OFLC had issued nudity warnings, and linked to the entries of the Halo 1-3 on the OFLC site, where they clearly state only animated violence.....I was wrong?

Then what were you talking about?
I said the OFLC were the people who rated and classify games for Australia. They can also be known as the ACB. (Australian Classification Board)

The OP said they rated the Halo games with nudity, but I guess he was wrong.

Read someone's post thoroughly before you argue with them.
 

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The Hairminator said:
kommunizt kat said:
The Hairminator said:
I don't think Halo rated M has anything to do with Cortana's nudity. More the fact that you kill people. All the time. And the swears in Halo are barely noticeable.
Well I think its mostly the online interactions... too many bad influences for children online (such as myself) I dont like seeing kids swear a lot I hate it when kids just randomly swear in matches. I tell them to shut up but they dont listen...
Telling them to shut up seems like a pretty stupid idea, since it will do nothing but fuel their rage.
so what is the best solution to this problem?
 

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kommunizt kat said:
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kommunizt kat said:
le *snip*
iJosh said:
encore *snip*
This, but less insultingly put. Maybe you just need to ask your parents to get it for you, and/or demonstrate that you're mature enough to play.
wait were you talking about me? if not then I agree... I think that most parents nowadays are more lenient than the ones of my generation...
Noooooo! I wasn't talking about you. Was addressing the OP. You get ze cookie!

Anyhow...

kommunizt kat said:
The Hairminator said:
kommunizt kat said:
Well I think its mostly the online interactions... too many bad influences for children online (such as myself) I dont like seeing kids swear a lot I hate it when kids just randomly swear in matches. I tell them to shut up but they dont listen...
Telling them to shut up seems like a pretty stupid idea, since it will do nothing but fuel their rage.
so what is the best solution to this problem?
Having some sort of age restriction on buying Xbox Live/PSN/Nintendo equivalent membership?

*Has a happy little dream set in a world where it is possible to play TF2 or L4D without some brat yelling down the mic and swearing every 2 seconds*

Le sigh... if only such a possibility existed...
 

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Major Tom said:
Like I said, I initially took that to mean the the OFLC had given Halo a nudity rating, which, as both you and I know, is untrue. But on reading it again, I don't know what the OFLC has got to with anything in this rant about the ESRB. You're going to have to clear that up for me.
wolfgamesstudios says he's pissed off at ESRB because they've done things like refuse classification to Manhunt and forced Valve to make a censored release of L4D2 for Australia. The problem is the ESRB doesn't rate and classify games for Australia, that's the OFLC's job. Assuming he's pissed off at the Australian classifiers, he must mean the OFLC as the ESRB rates and classifies games for America.

So basically this thread should be called "I don't like the OFLC".
 

kommunizt kat

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IckleMissMayhem said:
kommunizt kat said:
IckleMissMayhem said:
kommunizt kat said:
le *snip*
iJosh said:
encore *snip*
This, but less insultingly put. Maybe you just need to ask your parents to get it for you, and/or demonstrate that you're mature enough to play.
wait were you talking about me? if not then I agree... I think that most parents nowadays are more lenient than the ones of my generation...
Noooooo! I wasn't talking about you. Was addressing the OP. You get ze cookie!

Anyhow...

kommunizt kat said:
The Hairminator said:
kommunizt kat said:
Well I think its mostly the online interactions... too many bad influences for children online (such as myself) I dont like seeing kids swear a lot I hate it when kids just randomly swear in matches. I tell them to shut up but they dont listen...
Telling them to shut up seems like a pretty stupid idea, since it will do nothing but fuel their rage.
so what is the best solution to this problem?
Having some sort of age restriction on buying Xbox Live/PSN/Nintendo equivalent membership?

*Has a happy little dream set in a world where it is possible to play TF2 or L4D without some brat yelling down the mic and swearing every 2 seconds*

Le sigh... if only such a possibility existed...
quoted me twice dude... lol
OT: COOKIE IS A LIE! or was that cake....
 

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kommunizt kat said:
quoted me twice dude... lol
OT: COOKIE IS A LIE! or was that cake....
Meh... take it as a compliment! ;O)

As for the OP: You're just going to have to wait until you're old enough, or act maturely enough to get the games you want to play. Although having said that, who knows what sorts of games you'll like playing by the time you're old enough?
 

kommunizt kat

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IckleMissMayhem said:
kommunizt kat said:
quoted me twice dude... lol
OT: COOKIE IS A LIE! or was that cake....
Meh... take it as a compliment! ;O)

As for the OP: You're just going to have to wait until you're old enough, or act maturely enough to get the games you want to play. Although having said that, who knows what sorts of games you'll like playing by the time you're old enough?
Im sorry... quoted me twice girl lol no offence just noticed...
OT: Also, who knows what kind of games you can play when you're older? I bet games would be better then... Just remember to respect you're elders (Think of an old guy playing games online...LOL)
 

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Horny Ico said:
I can safely say I did not remember any bloody seppuku, even though I played it last month. As for the torture, maybe I'm a leetle too desensitized. Speaking of which, is there ANY way I can save him? I know I can shoot them before the last time he screams, but I find him dead anyway.
Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of Pandora Tomorrow, then. Anyway, as far as I remember, I don't think you can save him. I've tried. The game's scripted that he just keels over if you alert or kill the guards.
 

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orannis62 said:
mokes310 said:
orannis62 said:
The ESRB is not perfect, but it's a necessary evil. Think about it: this VOLUNTARY organization decides to stop, then the government will step in. Do we really want Hillary Clinton rating our games?
The I ask of you: Do you really want a voluntary board with no oversight rating your games and movies?

I am firmly against censorship on all levels and would much rather see the government set up a board to review media than independent groups like the ESRB or MPAA. They are FAR worse than the government.
How do you figure?
Please read my response below Horny Ico.

Horny Ico said:
That's really tragic if you honestly believe you can trust government, especially on matters that involve shitty parents wanting everything done for them.
Ok, first we need to look at how various "private" boards like the MPAA and ESRB operate. I am by no means an expert on the ESRB, so I can only infer that their methodology is similar to that of the MPAA.

The MPAA, as many of you may or may not know, is the shadowy organization responsible for rating the movies we here in the US, view in theaters. Now, I won't bore you with their history or their ties to industry executives, but I will tell you how they review and rate films.

While a film is past the post production stage, it is sent to the MPAA for a Ratings Review. The film is reviewed by a panel of anonymous "Average American Parents." To most people, this is harmless, but upon further review, this process can be seen as patently absurd. Many of the Movie Reviewers are either: A) not parents, or B) parents of grown children. If we want average, every day parents of American children to review our movies, then why are people who aren't parents, or parents of grown children allowed to voice their opinion?

Second, if you disagree with the rating that your movie receives, you are allowed to appeal the rating to another anonymous ratings appelate board. This board consists of other "non-parents," as well as clergy members of the two most popular ecclesiastic churches in the United States. If you're still reading and not pissed off, then you need to re-think your media usage.

As I previously stated, these review and ratings boards are anonymous. Jack Valente, the former head of the MPAA stated that the reason for this was to, "...protect the reviewers from unlawful reprisals..." Take a step back and think about how we operate as a country. We can all agree that (most of) our laws are designed to insure security. Obviously, murder, rape and other things are punished accordingly. When we look at how they are punished, we see that: first, we are innocent until proven guilty, and second, we are garunteed a trial by a jury of our PEERS. Obviously, these instances are far more life-changing, and have far greater implications than the measly rating of a film, would you agree? So why is it that we aren't worried about reprisals towards jurors and judges, yet we're terrified of reprisals towards movie raters? Is this ok? HELL NO!

The main problem that I have with the MPAA and other "private" ratings boards is that they lack accountability. When they do things that are unethical, they are never held responsible. Conversly, our politicians are held accountable for their actions through public elections.

Now, I'm not saying that the Government is the be-all-to-end-all in terms of regulation, but in this instance, I feel that they would do a much better job than the MPAA or ESRB. Now think about this hypothetical option (and this is just one suggestion). If we were to have a bi-partisan review board consisting of four members from each of the two parties, who's decisions and reasonings were open to the public the instant they were made; would you feel better about how your games and movies were rated and the board that passed judgement?

I know this was a little long, and I do appreciate anyone who read this and thoughtfully replied. If you would like to know more about the MPAA, I would strongly suggest you watch the film, "This Film Is Not Yet Rated."
 

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Horny Ico said:
I find it entirely plausable that, if I bothered myself to read your post, I would take your work for it concerning the MPAA.
mokes310 said:
I am by no means an expert on the ESRB, so I can only infer that their methodology is similar to that of the MPAA.
But this is where your post becomes utterly pointless. Until you DO become an expert of the ESRB, or atleast start a thread about the MPAA with that post, I will completely ignore you.
It's funny how someone so young can be so smart. By your logic then, you must be an expert on American Government because you claim that anyone who can trust them is sad and pathetic.

Now, if you could actually read above a fifth grade level, you would see that my post was focused on the problems with ratings boards being private, having no oversight, and the fact that there is no way to change that.

Your wisdom will come with age, just don't act like a smartass until then.