I don't see why _____ gets so much hate...
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Wait, copy CoD's formula?Xanadu84 said:
You mean, Halo except it's regenerating health?
I prefer having to think about my shots and where to go, rather than hide-and-go-bang... That and the enthusiasts thinking it is the greatest gift to gaming is fairly depressing or the honestly think it is the 'iconic'/'first' FPS game.
Anyways, getting back on topic...
I'm gonna throw my two cents in towards Nickelback and Anita Sarkeesian. I enjoy Nickelback's music, and while I get why the 'men' got their panties in a bunch, my first thought was 'This could be interesting to see her point of view'.
I vastly prefer LP's old stuff (Hybrid Theory, Meteroa).
Well, that was long and kind of off topic, but if you're curious as to why I disagree...
On topic; I really love the band Disturbed (Before Asylum, which was painful). Lots of my friends aren't into it, whom I don't agree with but I usually understand them if they're willing to explain.
I have a couple of friends who straight up HATE this band, and the closest thing to an explanation I've gotten is "It's all just power cords" (I wrote a little about this kind of reasoning above, it kind of applies here).
Which from what I can tell (I'm not a musician) is just not true. Beside, the guitar is just one part of a cohesive whole. There's the drums, the bass and the vocals to think about as well.
I really just don't get it, musics great, lyrics range are serviceable at worst and magnificent at the best of times, David Draiman somehow sounds both melodically beautiful and horrifically grim. ("It's a devil screaming, it's an angel singing" "It's called... Heavy Metal")
I'd actually be curious to know what someone more articulate who hates this band would say as to why. (Seriously, I don't wanna argue,I'm honestly curious)
Saying the subject matter was only "I'm really upset with you", to me, is an oversimplification that can be applied to anything.
Mass Effect is about meeting people and shooting things. Now, that's not directly untrue, but it neglects to accurately encompass the experience despite it's pretense to do so. What are you shooting and why? Who are these people you meet and how do you meet them? A story does not often benefit from a basic synopsis that is complex. Depth arises naturally from the implications of the story's events, but the narrative structure should maintain focus and be easy to understand (Unless confusion is what you're actively pursuing).
Being broad is not the same as being deep.
LP's old songs were about people who were upset, but analyzing the unique circumstances of those people (Who are unspecific people on purpose, as what's being said could apply to anyone) and why and how they were upset was what made them interesting. In the newer ones they lack that humanity, they make statements but don't back them up.
In "The Catalyst", the singer speaks of a "Broken people", but there's never any indication as to why they're broken. Every lyric simply restates the obvious. Since I don't know why they broke or how, I can't draw any parallels or apply the idea to anything real, nor can I sympathize, because all I have is conjecture.
Compare this to, say "Figure 09". Here, the singers are clearly upset, but the reasons for this are complex. They speak of a person who they have grown to both need and hate. They've allowed their hatred to change them, and have always regretted doing so. As a result, they were never able to let that person go, and when they confronted them they realized that "From all the infinite things I could say I put all the pain you gave to me on display, but didn't realize, instead of setting it free I took what I hated and made it a part of me".
The song is not merely about hating somebody, it's about allowing not only others to shape us, but allowing our opinions of them to enslave us, allowing these things to define us.
In a sense, spending all your time trying not to be controlled by something is still allowing that thing to control you. If everything that you are exists solely to resist something else, who would you be without it?
To me, a detailed and in depth personal story holds more weight than any grand adventure lacking in depth
Mass Effect is about meeting people and shooting things. Now, that's not directly untrue, but it neglects to accurately encompass the experience despite it's pretense to do so. What are you shooting and why? Who are these people you meet and how do you meet them? A story does not often benefit from a basic synopsis that is complex. Depth arises naturally from the implications of the story's events, but the narrative structure should maintain focus and be easy to understand (Unless confusion is what you're actively pursuing).
Being broad is not the same as being deep.
LP's old songs were about people who were upset, but analyzing the unique circumstances of those people (Who are unspecific people on purpose, as what's being said could apply to anyone) and why and how they were upset was what made them interesting. In the newer ones they lack that humanity, they make statements but don't back them up.
In "The Catalyst", the singer speaks of a "Broken people", but there's never any indication as to why they're broken. Every lyric simply restates the obvious. Since I don't know why they broke or how, I can't draw any parallels or apply the idea to anything real, nor can I sympathize, because all I have is conjecture.
Compare this to, say "Figure 09". Here, the singers are clearly upset, but the reasons for this are complex. They speak of a person who they have grown to both need and hate. They've allowed their hatred to change them, and have always regretted doing so. As a result, they were never able to let that person go, and when they confronted them they realized that "From all the infinite things I could say I put all the pain you gave to me on display, but didn't realize, instead of setting it free I took what I hated and made it a part of me".
The song is not merely about hating somebody, it's about allowing not only others to shape us, but allowing our opinions of them to enslave us, allowing these things to define us.
In a sense, spending all your time trying not to be controlled by something is still allowing that thing to control you. If everything that you are exists solely to resist something else, who would you be without it?
To me, a detailed and in depth personal story holds more weight than any grand adventure lacking in depth
Well, that was long and kind of off topic, but if you're curious as to why I disagree...
On topic; I really love the band Disturbed (Before Asylum, which was painful). Lots of my friends aren't into it, whom I don't agree with but I usually understand them if they're willing to explain.
I have a couple of friends who straight up HATE this band, and the closest thing to an explanation I've gotten is "It's all just power cords" (I wrote a little about this kind of reasoning above, it kind of applies here).
Which from what I can tell (I'm not a musician) is just not true. Beside, the guitar is just one part of a cohesive whole. There's the drums, the bass and the vocals to think about as well.
I really just don't get it, musics great, lyrics range are serviceable at worst and magnificent at the best of times, David Draiman somehow sounds both melodically beautiful and horrifically grim. ("It's a devil screaming, it's an angel singing" "It's called... Heavy Metal")
I'd actually be curious to know what someone more articulate who hates this band would say as to why. (Seriously, I don't wanna argue,I'm honestly curious)
For me, it started a trend of bad design in FPS games compared to the games that built up to it. Regenerating health got rid of those tense situations where you're under 30% and carefully handle what's in front of you as you search for a health pack.Dtox333 said:
It also started the trends of levels that were linear, where you couldn't get lost and really explored but rather followed the crew and killed whatever was in your way until you reached the end and caused the cutscene.
It also started the trend of not having an arsenal of 9 or more weapons that you manage ammo for and have choice in how to dispatch different types of foes.
I understand all of this is to make the game more "cinematic" and to focus on immersing in the story, but for me it meant sacrificing depth in gameplay and strategy for cinematic immersion and streamlining. I don't think there really needs to be a compromise, we can have both.
Of course this is my opinion, and we're all discussing very subjective matter in this thread. However, I would never criticize a fandom, but rather the subject of their fandom. People love a variety of things and variety is what makes these things so wonderful. Hate is usually projected at homogenization, or the catalysts of it.
...I suppose it's a little bit like leprosy. It's a horrible disease which deforms its victims though the unfortunate suffers have been reviled throughout history as it was thought that touching them would transmit the disease, that they were unclean.
In reality 95% of the population is immune to leprosy and it isn't anywhere near as contagious as people think it is. Though it isn't a good idea to go rolling around in lepers, they're not that dangerous. What people hated about leprosy, about leppers, was the ugliness and suffering it caused. That came to be projected onto the sufferers.
I reckon the hate comes from a heady mixture of compassion, horror/fear and powerlessness. Like when you hear a baby crying. Your natural impulse is to go and help (the baby is in distress), but you can't because it isn't your baby and to go and help would be inappropriate and possibly trigger a confrontation. Finally the baby won't stop wailing because his or her distress is caused by him or her being outside (babies hate being outside) or covered in shit. All this unresolved emotion makes you angry and hate babies or Mass Effect 3.
In reality 95% of the population is immune to leprosy and it isn't anywhere near as contagious as people think it is. Though it isn't a good idea to go rolling around in lepers, they're not that dangerous. What people hated about leprosy, about leppers, was the ugliness and suffering it caused. That came to be projected onto the sufferers.
I reckon the hate comes from a heady mixture of compassion, horror/fear and powerlessness. Like when you hear a baby crying. Your natural impulse is to go and help (the baby is in distress), but you can't because it isn't your baby and to go and help would be inappropriate and possibly trigger a confrontation. Finally the baby won't stop wailing because his or her distress is caused by him or her being outside (babies hate being outside) or covered in shit. All this unresolved emotion makes you angry and hate babies or Mass Effect 3.
Well, have you ever done that? It adds to the flavour! Seriously, cockroach and cake is just magnificentkortin said:
OT: The Christopher Nolan Batman films. Seriously, they were awesome.
I'm going to be THAT guy and say the Mass Effect 3 ending.
I honestly do not understand why there is that much hate flung toward it. It may have been bad, it may have been totally absymal, but when it's 6 months on and I still see people bitching about it, I can't help but feel like everyone is overreacting. So what if there were plot holes? Lots of stuff has plot holes, but this stuff is forgotten about in less than a week. Especially since the EC was released, people should just bloody move on.
I honestly do not understand why there is that much hate flung toward it. It may have been bad, it may have been totally absymal, but when it's 6 months on and I still see people bitching about it, I can't help but feel like everyone is overreacting. So what if there were plot holes? Lots of stuff has plot holes, but this stuff is forgotten about in less than a week. Especially since the EC was released, people should just bloody move on.
One thing people forget about Nickelback is that their first couple albums were actually quite good, they seemed to have something to say. It's their newer stuff that I don't care much for, because all it is about is sex and parties, there's no depth to it any more. Sometimes I like that kind of thing mind you, but I have to be in a very specific mood.MelasZepheos said:
OT: MovieBob
I don't understand a lot of the hate that he's been getting lately, maybe it's just because I'm a long time fan, and on some level identify with him. I just don't understand all the hate levelled against him.
Justin Bieber. He?s just a young man who happened to get famous for having a grain of talent that could be exploited by the music industry?and yet, this is reason enough to be slaughtered for ?looking like a girl? and getting pathetic death threats? Seriously, stop jumping on the bandwagon. You?re more annoying than the Bieber fanboys.
Nicholas Cage. He?s not the worst working actor today, so get a grip.
Nicholas Cage. He?s not the worst working actor today, so get a grip.