I don't think home consoles will survive the next generation

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As simple as what the title says. I feel somewhat at a loss as to where to start with this topic though so bear with me if this feels kinda meandering.

What I notice a lot lately is games being released that are multiplatform, I read an article yesterday that listed off about ten titles that were going to come out this month and of those only two were console exclusives and many of the multiplatform titles were also coming to the PC. This isn't where I got my belief by the way, it's just an example.

It used to be a bit of a risk for people that weren't knowledgeable about software and hardware to play games on a PC since you often needed a certain operating system or some kind of update to your computer and back before the internet really exploded this meant no easy online downloads and no quick help for figuring out what was wrong if something didn't work. Now its much easier to patch something on a computer and pcs and pc games have come a long way from the days when you needed 5 CD's to play Riven and needed to switch them for every individual island.

While people have liked to talk about how X-box and Playstation and Nintendo are doing in terms of competing with each other, they very rarely bring up the elephant in the room which is PC's. In terms of performance and power all three home console makers lost the race a long time ago and they can't compete with how a PC can be upgraded without needing to replace the whole thing.

Steam is a big part of this too, I have a ton of games on my Steam account that I still haven't been able to get to. Steam's library is gigantic and a lot of games on the home and portable consoles are on Steam too. This is great for game developers but it's bad for the system makers. Its made it so aside from IP's that the system makers hold to them contractually, there's no reason for a game maker to ever want to just make a game for a home console, especially since all of these small time game developers are going to most of the time not release a physical game and instead distribute it purely through download.

Many people, myself included, no longer have the time, money, or capability to play all the games that come out. With so many different games, many of them multiplatform, there's no reason to spend money on an expensive home console when you're likely never going to be able to play most of the games that come out on that system. Additionally, you don't need a lot of those IP's that that home console makers create because you're likely to find a game on PC that is similar enough to that IP that you can get your fix there.

Home consoles cannot continue to exist as low grade computers. Honestly, for all the shit that we give Nintendo, they seem to be the first company to realize that this is happening since they've scaled back their system designs for reduced cost and play up their control gimmicks which aren't supported very heavily by other console makers. Their new console is also portable and the portable console market still has an advantage over PC's and phone/tablet gaming so that market will survive longer. And the other thing is that the audience Nintendo markets to is the younger audience that has more time, uses its money more for recreation and is the age group that parents would likely want to be playing a gaming console over messing with their computer. Microsoft and Sony on the other hands market more towards older people which are the people that are going to find it harder and harder to justify buying and expensive home console and who have less time to play those game too. These people are going to switch to computers once all those things add up to make home consoles not worthwhile

I can see Mircosoft pulling out of home consoles gracefully, after all, they make computers so the home console market becoming defunct doesn't hurt them that much since they could decide to compete with Steam instead and make an online store like them.

I'm not sure what Sony would do though.

Anyway, that's my viewpoint on this, I don't think home consoles will continue to exist after the next generation. The climate of games with how many are made, how they're distributed and the ease of use of computers has changed things to where the way things have been done for the past 20 some years can't continue like this anymore.
 

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PCs offer a lot of advantages and are vastly superior in many aspects to consoles; however I don't see them going in a direction that may end up replacing consoles the next generation. But most importantly, money is what determine who survives and who dies. Things like brand loyalty, convenience and marketing have become more important in determining success (and are pretty much the base of major console game successes).

Specter Von Baren said:
there's no reason for a game maker to ever want to just make a game for a home console
They'll have Sony's, Microsoft's and/or Nintendo's marketing departments helping them to hype their game. They can also pay them extra money for the exclusivity. Also, AAA games tend to sell more on console than on PC.

With so many different games, many of them multiplatform, there's no reason to spend money on an expensive home console when you're likely never going to be able to play most of the games that come out on that system.
So why would it be different for PC? Why people would have a reason to spend money on an even more expensive gaming PC when they're really likely never going to be able to play most of the games that come out for it (and consoles are cheaper). You already said you have lots of games in your Steam library that you haven't been able to get to.

Many people, myself included, no longer have the time, money, or capability to play all the games that come out.
And many many others still do.

Additionally, you don't need a lot of those IP's that that home console makers create because you're likely to find a game on PC that is similar enough to that IP that you can get your fix there.
Brand loyalty is still a thing.

I can see Mircosoft pulling out of home consoles gracefully, after all, they make computers.
No, they don't really. At most they distribute gaming PCs already made by other companies (like MSI, Alienware, Lenovo, Razer, ASUS, Dell, HP, etc); but they don't make those themselves.

* pains on console being low grade computers *
No matter how many times the specifications are stated, consoles are still dedicated machines, and gaming PC's aren't. PC's flexibility causes the sense of unreliability that keeps console owners away from them. Until gaming dedicated PCs (like Steam machine, not self-assembled) become the PC rule rather than the exception; they won't kick out consoles out of the market.
 

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Consoles will survive as long as exclusives do. Which is why I can certainly see Microsoft losing the console battle because as PC gamer I am seeing all the games I would want a Xbox One for also coming to the PC.
 

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A Playstation 4, XBox One, or Nintendo Switch goes for about $400? Everyone already has a TV, so you just plug and play, and you can play from the comfort of your couch or recliner.

A good (not the best) gaming PC rig will run you $1,500-$2,500.

So how is console gaming "expensive" in comparison to PC gaming?

I'm exclusively a PC gamer, so I'm not arguing for consoles, because I don't care... but I have always seen console gaming as being the much cheaper way to go.
 

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consoles will survive next gen as long as Sony and Microsoft do more to make their next gen systems stand out and make people want to upgrade their systems. PS4 Pro hasn't exactly performed amazingly in sales and i don't hear much hype about the Xbox One X either. those are just more powerful PS4's and Xbox Ones with prettier 4K graphics. Sony and MS need to do more than that if they want people to upgrade.

as for Nintendo, well Switch is technically Nintendo's "Next gen" system after the Wii U and so far that's performing extremely well for the company. if sales of the Switch keep up we won't be seeing a new Nintendo System for quite awhile now.
 

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Everyone's already made some good points, but I'm going to add on by saying that Nintendo in particular is going to be quite a holdout, regardless of what happens, because Nintendo offers things that are truly unique. The Switch's portability, for example, offers something no one else is offering.
 

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Kerg3927 said:
A good (not the best) gaming PC rig will run you $1,500-$2,500.

You don't need to spend that amount of money if you want a machine better than a current gen console. Not to mention you have to spend 60 bucks a year to play online and the games are more expensive. So if you bought a PS4 at launch and had PS+ since launch, you've spent 600-650 bucks on the console and online alone.

OT: I don't think consoles will die out, at least not this soon. I'd be more worried about the lack of competition, Sony is simply dominating the market right now and Microsoft is moving all of their games to PC. Nintendo doesn't really need to compete with anyone.
 

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Meh.

I remember when people were saying PC gaming was about to die.

Crystal ball gazing isn't really my thing. If it happens, it happens.
 

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BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
Kerg3927 said:
A good (not the best) gaming PC rig will run you $1,500-$2,500.

You don't need to spend that amount of money if you want a machine better than a current gen console. Not to mention you have to spend 60 bucks a year to play online and the games are more expensive. So if you bought a PS4 at launch and had PS+ since launch, you've spent 600-650 bucks on the console and online alone.

OT: I don't think consoles will die out, at least not this soon. I'd be more worried about the lack of competition, Sony is simply dominating the market right now and Microsoft is moving all of their games to PC. Nintendo doesn't really need to compete with anyone.
That guy is so full of shit. The system builds he does don?t include a case, keyboard, mouse, power supply, or whatever else suits his disingenuous and self-serving methodology. Anyone can build a $400 PC if they have hundreds of dollars of equipment already on hand or given to them for free, which is a big part of his shtick. One of his videos had a system that realistically cost $1200 being touted as $400 because he had a spare 1080 GPU hanging around.
 

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I think Nintendo will keep console gaming alive and well for quite awhile now.

Sony and Microsoft though...need to stop giving up the advantages of console gaming for the disadvantages of PC gaming.

PC gaming on the other hand is doing some of the opposite. I am super glad that most PC games have controllers compatible by default now.
 

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Consoles aren't going anywhere because of all the pros consoles have:

-Console gaming is cheaper
You can get a new PS4 for less than $250. You can get a console plus a low-end desktop for the price of a gaming PC (even including the potato masher) thus if someone needs a PC for work/PC stuff and they are a gamer, they can have both for basically the same price. Also, games are far cheaper on consoles because you can buy physical copies and sell them, which just about every person that says PC gaming is cheaper never acknowledges. If I want a new game on release day, I can buy it without worry of disliking it and take a couple months to play through it, and then sell it while only spending about $20 in the end. Whereas with PC gaming, I'd have to wait for sales to play that game for $20. I love having that flexibility.

-Consoles are far more convenient and logistically agreeable to the standard gamer
A console fits right into the living/entertainment room, it's a simple box that plugs into the TV and sound system. Sure a PC is pretty simple to connect to a TV but the average person is not going to want to do standard PC stuff in the living/entertainment room. Thus to game on your couch/recliner in your entertainment room would require moving your desktop back and forth from the computer desk. And as I said above, you can buy a PC that does everything 99% of people need it to do very cheaply.

-Console games just work
I don't have to worry about buying a game day 1 and the game not being playable or have major performance problems. Sure, PC games get better and better at not having issues but it's still a factor and will probably always be a factor due to the millions of possible hardware configurations.

Sure, PC gaming has the higher upside with higher framerates and resolutions, but most gamers don't care about that stuff, they just want to play the game. It's not like the PC versions are superior games and the console versions are gimped like how the PS3/360 versions of Shadow of Mordor, Watch Dogs, and Dragon Age Inquisition were compared to their counterparts. Games are designed for the power of consoles and the PC improvements are better textures and framerates and don't change gameplay or the core experience in any major way.
 

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Consoles will last for as long as there are people who only play certain games, the FIFA/NBA2K/Madden/CoD crowd. None of those communities will ever shift to PC because those games encompass all the advantages console has over PC.

And with all the crazy improvements to hardware we've had over the last few years, I think console gaming might actually get even better.

That said, I have left consoles behind. I can't stand dealing with Sony's bullshit when it comes to PS+ and PC has always interested me anyway.
 

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Ezekiel said:
I tried selling my Xbox 360 E and Xbox Live Gold codes. No one wanted them. My brother sold some of my old games for me, but I've never sold anything on Ebay myself. It's kind of a hassle, building up a good reputation from scratch and going through the whole process of taking the photos, finding boxes and sending the games each time. Besides, I'd rather keep almost all my games, because I don't know when I'll feel like playing them. I don't wanna go to Gamestop. Console gaming isn't cheaper. There are fewer sales and digital third party sites. Physical games disappear from shelves really fast, since there's so little space on the shelves. You need to pay a subscription to get full access to your games. You have only a 1 year warranty and tiny, sophisticated parts cramped into a little box with little ventilation. There's a high chance your console will break down. If not now, then years from now. I went through two PS3s. The thought of buying another PS3 seems pretty self-defeating to me, but I want to play some of those games again. Finding the parts to fix a console and actually doing it can be complicated, since they're not made to be taken apart and put back together by the average consumer like PCs are.
The only thing I've ever sold on eBay are games because of how easy it is. Just grab a pack of padded envelopes literally designed for game/movie cases at Walmart or similar store. Then a quick stop at the post office is all it takes. Best Buy seems to offer solid prices for your games as I remember selling Dishonored 2 to Best Buy when buying Horizon and they offered more for it than I could get for it on eBay. But, that was the only time I ever traded a game in at Best Buy. There's plenty of game deals you can find for console games both digitally and physically. Sure, Steam/GoG is better with sales but you have to wait to play a game then regardless, I don't have to wait with console gaming if I don't want to. I literally sold the BASE game of Witcher 3 for $25 this very year on eBay. Last-gen is really the only console gen to have hardware longevity issues because the manufacturers were forced to not use lead solder. And, it was the worst console gen just due to transitioning to more of a PC-like machine with a HD along with patches/updates. You literally couldn't do anything on PS3 while a patch downloaded. This gen has fixed all those issues.

Ezekiel said:
Sure, PC gaming has the higher upside with higher framerates and resolutions, but most gamers don't care about that stuff, they just want to play the game.
Console players do care about that stuff. If they didn't, we wouldn't have the Pro and Xbox One X and people wouldn't have been making comparison videos all last gen. You can find console players everywhere complaining about Destiny 2 being in thirty fps.
That's the reason I said "most". I don't have any friends that have upgraded to the PS4 Pro, I have one friend with the Pro but that's because it was his first PS4. The place you've found people complaining about Destiny 2's framerate is on forums I'm guessing, the gamers on forums like us are very much the minority. Even search this forum (or I guess the actual Gaming Discussion forum) for a 30fps or 60fps thread/poll and even here the majority said they didn't care as long as the framerate was smooth and consistent.
 

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As long as consoles are more convenient I don't see them going anywhere yet.

And yes, I know PC gaming can be convenient in its own way and can be cost effective if you know what you're doing, but guess who doesn't know about that or wants to bother with all that shit? The average consumer... and me.

PC gaming, whether true or not, certainly still has the image of being way more complicated than console gaming. So in that area consoles don't have too much to fear. What's really going to kill off the home console, I think, is a combination of the decline of interest in big AAA games (which might happen or might not) and the simple, instant gratification of mobile gaming. Those phone games are gonna be the real killer.
 

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The irony of this entire topic is of course that console sales for multi-platform games still heavily outnumber PC sales, even if you go by console-for-console comparisons. For those of us that fall into the core gamer demographic, consoles might not seem like the best choice. For pretty much everyone else it is, especially in these days when a tablet can do pretty much anything you needed a home-PC for just a few years ago.
 

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Consoles won't go away for the simple reason that they're cheap, easy to use and you can be sure the game you buy for it will work. And that's just from a consumer's perspective. Consoles are also huge marketing tools with cross-collaborations and companies willing to invest hundreds of millions of dollars. The market reach for consoles is actually so significant that most AAA games wouldn't even get financed or made weren't it for these vested interests. What does PC have? A digital trash heap of games called Steam which is run by a fattie that earns a fortune by sitting on his ass all day while his admirers worship their 'Gaben'.

Casual Shinji said:
What's really going to kill off the home console, I think, is a combination of the decline of interest in big AAA games (which might happen or might not) and the simple, instant gratification of mobile gaming. Those phone games are gonna be the real killer.
Yeah, you can see sales expectations of big publishers becoming higher and higher. Now it's like every game that gets sold below 5 million copies is considered a 'failure'. Obviously that has an effect on the kind of games that get made. I guess it makes sense though as budgets for AAA games balloon exponentially and development cycles start to hover around 3 years minimum. For publishers it simply becomes too costly and risky to fail. Then there is ofcourse also the zero risk/zero effort cash cow of mobile gaming that has become more profitable for companies like Squeenix and Konami(or even EA I believe) than AAA games. From a business perspective it makes total sense to divert some of those resources to mobile gaming and just make the AAA games you know will sell.

Ofcourse there are still some companies for which profit isn't their sole concern but yeah, sadly they are in short supply.
 

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I have a slight correction for you. MICROSOFT and SONY's consoles won't survive another generation. They are just dumbed down pc boxes. Nintendo's consoles will survive on the japanese portable market.



I'm half joking, but seriously watching Microsoft fling itself towards irrelevancy with underpowered pc wannabes is so weird.
 

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Deadguy2322 said:
BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
Kerg3927 said:
A good (not the best) gaming PC rig will run you $1,500-$2,500.

You don't need to spend that amount of money if you want a machine better than a current gen console. Not to mention you have to spend 60 bucks a year to play online and the games are more expensive. So if you bought a PS4 at launch and had PS+ since launch, you've spent 600-650 bucks on the console and online alone.

OT: I don't think consoles will die out, at least not this soon. I'd be more worried about the lack of competition, Sony is simply dominating the market right now and Microsoft is moving all of their games to PC. Nintendo doesn't really need to compete with anyone.
That guy is so full of shit. The system builds he does don?t include a case, keyboard, mouse, power supply, or whatever else suits his disingenuous and self-serving methodology. Anyone can build a
4400 PC if they have hundreds of dollars of equipment already on hand or given to them for free, which is a big part of his shtick. One of his videos had a system that realistically cost $1200 being touted as $400 because he had a spare 1080 GPU hanging around.
Except that it does include a case, power supply and a m&k.