I don't think home consoles will survive the next generation

[SupahEwok]

Really, a lot of PC fears I think are holdovers from the late 90's that somehow manage to stick around. It's kinda silly. Things are much better documented these days, and parts are much more accessible for handling yourself.

You seem to be fundamentally missing the appeal of convenience.

You seem to be fundamentally missing the appeal of reading whole posts, as I rejected the claim of "console convenience" several paragraphs prior to that concluding one, which had moved on to a different topic.

 

[dscross]

Really, a lot of PC fears I think are holdovers from the late 90's that somehow manage to stick around. It's kinda silly. Things are much better documented these days, and parts are much more accessible for handling yourself.

You seem to be fundamentally missing the appeal of convenience.

You seem to be fundamentally missing the appeal of reading whole posts, as I rejected the claim of "console convenience" several paragraphs prior to that concluding one, which had moved on to a different topic.

You rejected it, but I don't think your argument would mean much to the average console buyer. You didn't really say what the alternative to consoles were convenience wise? What's more convinient than a console that you can quickly plug into your TV and keep in your living room for friends and family to play? They really aren't that complicated.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

You seem to be fundamentally missing the appeal of reading whole posts, as I rejected the claim of "console convenience" several paragraphs prior to that concluding one, which had moved on to a different topic.

No, you gave some subjective grumbles, not a lot else. Consoles are evidently fulfilling a need based on units shifted. The market continues to cater to the console market based on that ease of use.

Also, let's look at your example a little closer. Ace Combat 6 is apparently a decade old? That's seriously dated relative to the current gen. How old's the 360 you're trying to play that game on? Isn't it technically an obsolete system, if MS don't manufacture them anymore?

Playing old games on old machines unsurprisingly leads to a lack of convenience, given consoles are never really designed for the long haul. It is convenient to move on; new games on new machines.

...I mean, this time around they were slightly shit machines (particularly specs wise on the Xbox. the Elite pad kinda makes up for it), but still new enough to keep the masses/peasants-to-be from the clutches of the master race.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

It's kinda ironic that advances in PC game convenience could arguably be attributed to having more console/PC cross platform development the last couple generations. I guess for better or worse, on the PC side it's one good thing that resulted from Xbox. Before that there was a much larger divide and disparity between PC and console games. Then again, there also seemed to be far less squabbling about the differences because they each did their own thing and left it at that.

 

[dscross]

It's kinda ironic that advances in PC game convenience could arguably be attributed to having more console/PC cross platform development the last couple generations. I guess for better or worse, on the PC side it's one good thing that resulted from Xbox. Before that there was a much larger divide and disparity between PC and console games. Then again, there also seemed to be far less squabbling about the differences because they each did their own thing and left it at that.

Once steam makes all of it's games available on steam machine, it's going to get much harder to tell the difference between PC gamers and console gamers. The two worlds will eventually collide. Technology is nearly there already.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Installation of all games brings me back to the issue of limited storage on pricey laptop hard drives.

It should say if the file is locked in the menu. It did on the PS3. I think in the PS3 menu, the locked files were labeled "Copy protection."

Laptop HDs aren't pricey. I have 21 games on my PS4 with 200 gigs free on the base 500GB HD. PC HDs end up costing more, you need at least 2 of them unless you're an idiot, 3 if you want an SSD. Plus, PC games eat up more HD space so are you really saving any money then on the slightly cheaper desktop HDs?

Apparently, you can copy all saves to USB.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

When you said that it automatically installs the game to your hard drive, I assumed you meant the entire game. It only installs a portion? Laptop hard drives cost more than 3.5" hard drives.

2 TB 3.5"

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_keywords_2?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A%21493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A1292110011%2Cn%3A1254762011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_four_browse-bin%3A8067152011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A4990426011&bbn=1254762011&ie=UTF8&qid=1501898528&rnid=4990422011

2 TB 2.5"

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_keywords_1?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A%21493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A1292110011%2Cn%3A1254762011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_four_browse-bin%3A8067152011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A4990425011&bbn=1254762011&ie=UTF8&qid=1501898580&rnid=4990422011

When I bought my 3 TB hard drive, it wasn't just for games. My PC is a media hub. With a console, it would be just for games, making it even pricier.

I think most games (maybe all) install all the data to the HD. The difference between a desktop and laptop HD is basically $10 ($67 vs $75, slightly less even), that's not "pricey", it's not even 15% more. I got 21 games installed and 200/500GB free, most are PSN titles but I got at least 4/5 AAA PS4 games installed along with probably at least 10GBs of video captured that I've been too lazy to delete.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Installation of all games brings me back to the issue of limited storage on pricey laptop hard drives.

It should say if the file is locked in the menu. It did on the PS3. I think in the PS3 menu, the locked files were labeled "Copy protection."

Laptop HDs aren't pricey. I have 21 games on my PS4 with 200 gigs free on the base 500GB HD. PC HDs end up costing more, you need at least 2 of them unless you're an idiot, 3 if you want an SSD. Plus, PC games eat up more HD space so are you really saving any money then on the slightly cheaper desktop HDs?

Apparently, you can copy all saves to USB.

I've had one 1TB HDD in my computer for 6 years, you're not an idiot for just having 1 HDD, why would you be?

Also, do PC games really take up more place? Diablo 3 takes up 17gb on my PC while on my PS4 it takes up over 50gb for some reason. MGSV takes up 29gb on both my PC and PS4. Resident Evil 5 is 9gb on my PC while being 17gb on my PS4.

12 games on my PS4 takes up almost 350GB.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I've had one 1TB HDD in my computer for 6 years, you're not an idiot for just having 1 HDD and I'm fine.

Also, do PC games really take up more place? Diablo 3 takes up 17gb on my PC while on my PS4 it takes up over 50gb for some reason. MGSV takes up 29gb on both my PC and PS4. Resident Evil 5 is 9gb on my PC while being 17gb on my PS4.

12 games on my PS4 takes up almost 350GB.

An HD WILL crash, it's the when you don't know. You are an idiot if you have just one HD. I have all my data on at least 2 HDs at a time, just in case. Also, cloning your OS partition makes getting your computer back up after a crash (or major software issue) in minutes (with all your settings and program installs all there). Whereas a console the only data you really care about are game saves that can be easily backed up to the cloud or USB.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

It's safer and cheaper to back up your data to external hard drives and keep them stored away somewhere, disconnected. They cost less (because they're of lower quality) and are more insulated from whatever might destroy the internal hard drive. But if you're just installing games, you don't even need a backup drive.

Which is why a PC needs at least 2 HDs, who uses a PC literally just for games? One of the main pros of PC gaming is that 'well, I already need a PC, might as well spend a couple hundred more to play games on it too'.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

I've had one 1TB HDD in my computer for 6 years, you're not an idiot for just having 1 HDD and I'm fine.

Also, do PC games really take up more place? Diablo 3 takes up 17gb on my PC while on my PS4 it takes up over 50gb for some reason. MGSV takes up 29gb on both my PC and PS4. Resident Evil 5 is 9gb on my PC while being 17gb on my PS4.

12 games on my PS4 takes up almost 350GB.

An HD WILL crash, it's the when you don't know. You are an idiot if you have just one HD. I have all my data on at least 2 HDs at a time, just in case. Also, cloning your OS partition makes getting your computer back up after a crash (or major software issue) in minutes (with all your settings and program installs all there). Whereas a console the only data you really care about are game saves that can be easily backed up to the cloud or USB.

My HDDs never crashed, I might get a new one but only because it's getting pretty old. My data isn't that important, the only things I back up when I format my PC are old game recordings and images. Also the only things I save on my HDD are games, game recordings/screenshots and some programs.

But if you're primarily a gamer, you don't need to back up the bulk of your data. Maybe BabyfartsMcgeezaks only has a few GB to back up and can get by with a flash drive. Although I keep a backup of my system drive, having to reinstall Windows wouldn't bother me much. Losing the data on the other hard drives, not including the licensed games, would be painful, though. Which is why I back it up.

Yep that's me, I spend maybe 90% of my time on my PC gaming or browsing the webs. Like previously mentioned the only things I back-up are game recordings and some images. Though I wouldn't even be that broken up about losing those as I keep all my personal/important pictures on dropbox.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

having to reinstall Windows wouldn't bother me much.

I hate reinstalling Windows because you have redo all your settings like turning off all the BS services, just a bunch of little things like how I made some registry edits to alter Windows Explorer. It's the main reason I still run 7 instead of 10 (even though it was free), it does everything I need/want it to do. With PCs, a very underutilized notion is 'don't fix what's not broken'. And, then there's all the individual program settings you have set to your preferences on top of that.

My HDDs never crashed, I might get a new one but only because it's getting pretty old. My data isn't that important, the only things I back up when I format my PC are old game recordings and images. Also the only things I save on my HDD are games, game recordings/screenshots and some programs.

They will crash, that is an undeniable fact. Why would you format your PC? Doing a fresh install of Windows like once or twice a year is one of the biggest computer myths. What you do is install Windows and every program you use, get all your settings set to your preferences, then image that C: partition. If something fucks up with Windows Update or you get some nasty shit (virus/spyware), you just restore that good image and you're up and running in minutes.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

It's still early. You're living in fantasy land if you don't believe all electronics need to be fixed and cleaned out, especially ones that emit so much heat and have moving parts.

I'm asking for specifics, though. I don't think I'm "fixed" a single piece of equipment in my entire life - I'm not an electrician, I just want to use stuff. Taking the case of the 360 apart once or twice for some more serious dusting towards the end of its use (i.e. before I upgraded) is about the length and breadth of my gaming maintenance. And that's exactly how it should be.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

having to reinstall Windows wouldn't bother me much.

I hate reinstalling Windows because you have redo all your settings like turning off all the BS services, just a bunch of little things like how I made some registry edits to alter Windows Explorer. It's the main reason I still run 7 instead of 10 (even though it was free), it does everything I need/want it to do. With PCs, a very underutilized notion is 'don't fix what's not broken'. And, then there's all the individual program settings you have set to your preferences on top of that.

My HDDs never crashed, I might get a new one but only because it's getting pretty old. My data isn't that important, the only things I back up when I format my PC are old game recordings and images. Also the only things I save on my HDD are games, game recordings/screenshots and some programs.

They will crash, that is an undeniable fact. Why would you format your PC? Doing a fresh install of Windows like once or twice a year is one of the biggest computer myths. What you do is install Windows and every program you use, get all your settings set to your preferences, then image that C: partition. If something fucks up with Windows Update or you get some nasty shit (virus/spyware), you just restore that good image and you're up and running in minutes.

Everything will break eventually. I just choose not to worry about it.

How is formatting a myth? It does what I want, clean out my hard-drives. I've never in my life gotten a virus or a windows update that messed with my PC either.