I-Dosing: Getting High With Digital Drugs
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Kpt._Rob said:
Your state has produced one of the coolest bands ever The Flaming Lips at least be proud of them. Though the Flaming Lips are vastly different than the state they are from.
OT: Really?! This just sounds absolutely ridiculous.
These sounds sound like something from my old Science Museum. There was this machine that projected sound into water to make it move or splash around.
I am calling the Placebo effect on this. You set someone down, dim the lights, they lay down and relax and with this monotone playing their mind starts to wander, then there is that bit of frequency change about 1:30 in and they think something is happening.
I am calling the Placebo effect on this. You set someone down, dim the lights, they lay down and relax and with this monotone playing their mind starts to wander, then there is that bit of frequency change about 1:30 in and they think something is happening.
Its pretty stupid for parents to lose their minds over this, because comparing them to actual chemical/synthetic drugs is pretty stupid. "Digital crack"... yeah, good soundbites for the "war on drugs" pushers.
There's a song on the Tool album AEnema called "(-)ions" which is actually pronounced 'negative ions'. The sound waves in the song are meant to produce a positive vibe by affecting your brain patterns when listening to it through headphones. If you have the album you might wanna give it a shot.
Never did anything to me, but scour the interwebs and people say that listening to this song basically alters your brainwaves just a little to produce a positive, happy state. A fun experiment for ya, kids!
There's a song on the Tool album AEnema called "(-)ions" which is actually pronounced 'negative ions'. The sound waves in the song are meant to produce a positive vibe by affecting your brain patterns when listening to it through headphones. If you have the album you might wanna give it a shot.
Never did anything to me, but scour the interwebs and people say that listening to this song basically alters your brainwaves just a little to produce a positive, happy state. A fun experiment for ya, kids!
Actually, believe it or not, I've seen these things in action. Some of them do work, and it's kind of horrifying.
As a test, one of my friends (Friend A) subjected another one (Friend B) to a test. Friend A was to play a binaural beat that is intended to make you laugh uncontrollably, while Friend B was completely unaware of the beat's intention. It worked. Friend B couldn't stop laughing.
These things seriously screw with your brain, it looks like. I can't imagine that they're good for you in any way.
As a test, one of my friends (Friend A) subjected another one (Friend B) to a test. Friend A was to play a binaural beat that is intended to make you laugh uncontrollably, while Friend B was completely unaware of the beat's intention. It worked. Friend B couldn't stop laughing.
These things seriously screw with your brain, it looks like. I can't imagine that they're good for you in any way.
As I said before, it is biologically impossible to zonk your brain into seeing things with just sound. You'll hear stuff, and you might feel dizzy, but you aren't going to suddenly start speaking in tongues and spitting flames. Its stuff like this that tickle me the wrong way, besides Yuri used a monaural tone to mind control people into serving Mother Russia.
I mean, heck, I've listened to the sountrack from Half-Life through headphones and yeah sometimes I shiver or I feel the sound switching speakers so it feels like its gliding between your ears but really, its just aural trickery. You can't visually and tactilly hallucinate with noise, no matter how strange. This is not science fiction, this is not even real, this is another stunt to make the internet and kids look like just another group of junkies. Not that we don't have that label already, but if the entire internet gets condemned for this I'm going to hide in Canada to escape the unleashed fury of 4chan when they can't go online.
I mean, heck, I've listened to the sountrack from Half-Life through headphones and yeah sometimes I shiver or I feel the sound switching speakers so it feels like its gliding between your ears but really, its just aural trickery. You can't visually and tactilly hallucinate with noise, no matter how strange. This is not science fiction, this is not even real, this is another stunt to make the internet and kids look like just another group of junkies. Not that we don't have that label already, but if the entire internet gets condemned for this I'm going to hide in Canada to escape the unleashed fury of 4chan when they can't go online.
OK, got it.Furburt said:
Good mood = good trip
Negative emotions = Don't do it
Thanks for the advice
That...doesn't really sound pleasurable at all. Even if I did lie down to listen to it, I would probably rip the headphones off me in a few seconds due to how obnoxious that thing sounds.
But really, even if it does have some effect in certain conditions, why would you even bother listening to it? I'd rather listen to some good music, since that is at least bound to be pleasing to the mind and motivate you...like The Winner (although, obviously, people have different tastes):
But really, even if it does have some effect in certain conditions, why would you even bother listening to it? I'd rather listen to some good music, since that is at least bound to be pleasing to the mind and motivate you...like The Winner (although, obviously, people have different tastes):
I can't sleep at nights due to this menace.
Not the i-drugs - hell, we had those back in the day by listening to BBC/Spectrum loading - but that there are actually legislators out there that are that stupid gullible.
I mean, seriously, if you "knew" that there were these "drugs" that "had effects" on "children"; wouldn't you at least - I dunno - GOOGLE it?
But these are the people WE have put in charge? Feck all this talk about gamers being a bad influence on society - most of us don't have any real power.
THESE guys are the terror that keeps me awake at night.
Not the i-drugs - hell, we had those back in the day by listening to BBC/Spectrum loading - but that there are actually legislators out there that are that stupid gullible.
I mean, seriously, if you "knew" that there were these "drugs" that "had effects" on "children"; wouldn't you at least - I dunno - GOOGLE it?
But these are the people WE have put in charge? Feck all this talk about gamers being a bad influence on society - most of us don't have any real power.
THESE guys are the terror that keeps me awake at night.
Okay. For the uninitiated, a quick overview of binaural beats:
It's been known for a long time that the brain reaches certain wavelengths during sleep, meditation, creative exercise, etc. Attempts to induce these states with sound have failed because these wavelengths (usually around the 2-14Hz range) are far too low to be detected by the human ear.
However, the brain does a peculiar thing when the ears hear two different frequencies- if the difference between the frequencies is small enough, the brain will perceive it as a third "sound" at that frequency (i.e. right ear hears 500Hz, left ear hears 520Hz; the brain perceives a 20Hz "sound"). Theoretically this perceived sound can be used to "entrain" the brain into reaching that wavelength without lengthy meditation sessions.
This "drug sound" is basically a binaural beat which creats a perceived sound that triggers a state of euphoria, sort of like becoming intoxicated by certain drugs. While that in itself isn't nearly as dangerous- real drugs have severe side-effects on the body, and generally build up a resistance so that higher doses are needed for the same high, while binaural beats aren't known to do so- entraining the brain to a frequency whose full effects and consequences aren't known might have its own set of dangers.
Of course, there's people who say this is all a placebo effect and that binaural beats don't do anything to the brain. Personal experience says otherwise- I've entered trance-like states off of binaural recordings before.
(You also don't have to worry about someone doing a "drive-by i-dosing" on you- the sound has to be in stereo and you have to be in a relaxed and open state of mind for it to do anything more than annoy the heck out of you.)
It's been known for a long time that the brain reaches certain wavelengths during sleep, meditation, creative exercise, etc. Attempts to induce these states with sound have failed because these wavelengths (usually around the 2-14Hz range) are far too low to be detected by the human ear.
However, the brain does a peculiar thing when the ears hear two different frequencies- if the difference between the frequencies is small enough, the brain will perceive it as a third "sound" at that frequency (i.e. right ear hears 500Hz, left ear hears 520Hz; the brain perceives a 20Hz "sound"). Theoretically this perceived sound can be used to "entrain" the brain into reaching that wavelength without lengthy meditation sessions.
This "drug sound" is basically a binaural beat which creats a perceived sound that triggers a state of euphoria, sort of like becoming intoxicated by certain drugs. While that in itself isn't nearly as dangerous- real drugs have severe side-effects on the body, and generally build up a resistance so that higher doses are needed for the same high, while binaural beats aren't known to do so- entraining the brain to a frequency whose full effects and consequences aren't known might have its own set of dangers.
Of course, there's people who say this is all a placebo effect and that binaural beats don't do anything to the brain. Personal experience says otherwise- I've entered trance-like states off of binaural recordings before.
(You also don't have to worry about someone doing a "drive-by i-dosing" on you- the sound has to be in stereo and you have to be in a relaxed and open state of mind for it to do anything more than annoy the heck out of you.)
I hate to point it out (I'm lying, I actually love pointing stuff like this out) but listening to any music will effect your mental state. It encourages the releasing of endorphins, can stabilise people's derotonin levels. There's a very good reason they recommend playing classical music to babies in the womb, along with using musical therapy to treat severe drug trip flashbacks.
I mean seriously, it's just common sense. Listen to something heavy and dark when you're in a bad mood and it reinforces your bad mood, listen to something soothing and light while you're working and your productivity increases. This sort of thing has been researched and investigated for years.
It's partly a placebo effect of course, since you listen to this music expecting drug-like effects, but really it's just someone who stumbled across the correct mixture of tones and sounds which provoke a major release of endorphins.
So yeah, I'm with the hysterical parents, we should ban all mood-altering chemicals that the brain produces naturally. We need to outlaw happines, sadness, love, hate, joy, anger. Yep, nothing more dangerous than human emotions.
I mean seriously, it's just common sense. Listen to something heavy and dark when you're in a bad mood and it reinforces your bad mood, listen to something soothing and light while you're working and your productivity increases. This sort of thing has been researched and investigated for years.
It's partly a placebo effect of course, since you listen to this music expecting drug-like effects, but really it's just someone who stumbled across the correct mixture of tones and sounds which provoke a major release of endorphins.
So yeah, I'm with the hysterical parents, we should ban all mood-altering chemicals that the brain produces naturally. We need to outlaw happines, sadness, love, hate, joy, anger. Yep, nothing more dangerous than human emotions.