The thing is they aren't protecting themselves, they are expanding and invading. I would be inclined to believe that in a similar situation slave labour might be seen as a necessity but frankly the NCR do just fine without it, as do the Brotherhood of Steel and everyone else in the game. What's more the subjugation of women isn't something we can just take back because we have hard times, it isn't needed at all. I don't think the human race would just regress all of a sudden once the bombs were gone as kids are going to be brought up as their parents see fit, imparting them with morals that they learned from their parents. As such there's no reason that womens rights should go backwards.kampori said:I respect your views. I just guess that's the difference between you and me.
I'm not saying they're right, I'm just not saying they are wrong.
Up until recently, every great empire relied on these very rules. Slaves are what -makes- an empire. It's unfortunate, but it's true. No empire in history could have existed without armies and armies of slaves.
As for the woman thing, well, yeah okay that sucks.. but again, it's true in history. However we feel about it now, it was done for tens of thousands of years in almost every society on Earth. I mean women weren't given full rights in today's world until pretty recently, and the segregation of the Blacks, even more modern. We mustn't forget that just because today we live in a free society, this only happened for everyone until ridiculously recently.
Medicine etc in the futuristic (yet also old-fashioned) world of Fallout I agree, it shouldn't be outlawed. but they are based on the ancient empire of the Romans, were they then thought that modern thought of anatomy and medicine were taboo and criminalised people who thought out too much.
You have to remember and realise- the world of Fallout is SO different to ours today. The world may as well be set in Ancient times, with the amount of savagery and complete disregard of humanity and technology. In these circumstances, and empire such as the Romans, would work. Order and peace are more important in times of crisis than free will and democracy. That is why in times of war and catastrophe, the Romans would elect a dictator with total power until this crisis was averted or stopped.
In order to create peace, the only solution in this world is war and conquest, which is exactly what the Legion does, and I agree 100%. When people disregard humanity so much, as in Fallout, they do not deserve diplomacy even if they wanted it (which no one seems to want). To create peace, war. Take over the land, and create your empire over them. Subjugate everyone under harsh law, make them remember a time before the war. A time of lawfulness, respect, honour etc etc.
This is where ancient empires excel. The Romans, and especially the Mongols, brought civilization to the uncivilized, culture to the uncultured, law to the unlawful.
The only reason we look poorly on the Legion, as with any harsh empire (again, Mongol empire is a prime example) is because we do not realise or understand the circumstances and the benefits they bring. Nowadays we do not need empires, but back then you did. (and I class Fallout world as 'back then')
I do realise that the world of Fallout is very different from our time but that doesn't mean we should take a drastic step backwards to thousands of years in the past, if anything we should be pushing forwards.
They may ignore medicine because they set out to be Roman, but that still doesn't excuse the hypocrisy of Caesar using it himself. What's more, there was no reason for them to model themselves specifically on Romans. Order and Peace can be maintained without resorting to morally dubious acts as is shown by the NCR, what's more it is hardly a world in "crisis". If anything the only crisis comes from the Legion as they are the main aggressors in this world. Other than that Mr House and the NCR get on OK and apart from a few squabbles with the Brotherhood of Steel they would be fine, it's only due to instability in the region caused by the Legion that there are even any issues.
I would also entirely contest the idea that the Romans and Mongols (and Legion) bring law. They bring war, and then enforce a NEW law and culture, as if nothing was in place before. In terms of what other people may do to each other in the wasteland the only runner up to the Legion in terms of evil is the fiends and they're only doing it because they're off their faces. Other than a few bandits, which could easily be dealt with if the NCR had fewer, more pressing issues there is complete coexistence. I had it put to me that there is no other guarunteed option for human survival, but that is simply ludicrous. The NCR presents law and justice without all the horrible downsides and I don't see it as any less likely to fall the the Legion.
I just disagree with the way the Legion are viewed as the only way to go by some people, when they just clearly aren't. They take a tremendous leap back in morality all the way through the dark ages where no other successful organisation in fallout has had to go as far as I can see.