I find the lack of intelligence depressing

[Rofl-Mayo]

Wouldn't it be 14, if you use BEDMAS anyway.

 

[razer17]

the score of a complete stranger on the internet in a test that i myself never had to take because i live in a different country then you. gee, i am awed by your accomplishment. nice factoid about your laziness too.

you don't do anything else but shopping? i've worked vacationjobs selling coastal tram tickets to tourists. at the end of the evening, i had to make up my register. at which point i had to often do multiplications by 0. and i'm certain that everyone that ever worked any job involving money they had to turn in at the end of the day has had to do that too.

So in essence, you are suggesting that because I might have got this facebook question wrong, in a job like that I would end the day thinking we had made no money because I multiplied by zero? Clearly, that's just not true. And I'm pretty sure that I never said that all I do is shop, just that shopping is one of the only times that everyone has to do maths, so I used it as an example.

As for your point, why would you need to times by zero? Surely the easier way is just to leave it out of the equation since it doesn't add anything in the first place.

Your pointing out that I called myself lazy seems pointless too, I mean, if I'm willing to point it out clearly I don't care, so you reiterating the fact is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to awe you with my accomplishments. I was merely stating that I wasn't bad at maths in school. GCSE's are basically pointless after school, all they exist to do is get you into college, where you do exams that matter.

 

[Quellist]

...But that equation is asking how much fruit you have, not how many apples and oranges you have. I am saying when you say you have 1 orange and 2 apples, you are representing them mathematically. (1 orange and 2 apples) = (1*orange + 2*apples). You cant say (1*orange + 2*apples) = ((1*orange + 2)*apples), because that is very different. But i digress.

I stand by my point. Maths is reading equations, and reading equations is maths. Mathematically represented:
Math = (Reading Equations)
where (Reading Equations) is one term.

You will struggle to find a math concept that doesnt include equations.

Guess we will have to disagree on that then, i think most people in their daily life use maths without equations all the time.

BTW condescending statements like '(Hint: it starts with "m" ;D)' really just cheapen your argument by showing how smug you are.

As I said before, you will struggle to use maths without equations in daily life. Using your previous example, where you added 1 orange, 2 apples and 0 strawberries, that works out to be:
1+2+0=3.
Wheither you think about it like that or not, thats how it works. Just thinking 2 and 1 is 3 is an equation, with swapping and and is for mathematical symbols (+ and = respectively).

And sorry if the statement offended you. It was meant to be a joke, however you did not take it that way.

I'm not going to split hairs with you about what is and what isn't an equation. My opinion is not knowing the how to write up equations will not make the least difference to most peoples lives and is not an indicator of intellect.

 

[Iron Mal]

then i feel sorry for the simplistic life you have to lead.

Now while I'm not really one for hurling around insults (at least not without good reason), this single statement of yours right here makes you sound incredably arrogant, elitist and like you're in serious need of surgical rectal-cranium extraction.

Please do enlighten me as to the nature of this supposed advanced way of thinking and living that you seem to belief that you posess and as to why I lead a supposedly 'simplistic life' and why simplicity itself is an objectively bad thing.

Otherwise, please stop talking and acting like a smug smart-arse, it doesn't even make you sound intelligent, you just sound full of yourself.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

What do you mean "it can be taken in two ways"? Multiplication and division have equal priority and should be evaluated left to right. There is no ambiguity if you know the rules. Which apparently many people don't.

Well, apart from Division having precedence over Multiplication.(BODMAS/PEDMAS/...and..PODMAS I think), it doesn't follow normal notation. Usually they'll sling a divide sign "÷" to confuse the matter.

The question should be wrote as 48/2(9+3) or 48÷2*(9+3), depending on whether you're using mathematical notation or computer notation. Equally, a calculator works it out by L-R rather than parenthesized operands.

But as it's such an early learnt lesson, people will defend to the death their answer.

Equally, I've got a fair coin. I flip it 49 times and 49 times it turns up as a head. What chance is there that it turns up a head on the next flip?

Spoiler

Half. It will always be half. Coins have no memory. The chance of making that run is 1/2^49 or similar, but the next flip is treated without knowledge of the past ones.

And I bet at least 5 people will violently disagree with that answer.

 

[AdumbroDeus]

This thread is depressing in regards to how little it's posters know about basic statistics and how it reflects on humanity as a whole.

Then I remember that this thread's dataset isn't statistically valid and I feel much better.

What do you mean "it can be taken in two ways"? Multiplication and division have equal priority and should be evaluated left to right. There is no ambiguity if you know the rules. Which apparently many people don't.

Well, apart from Division having precedence over Multiplication.(BODMAS/PEDMAS/...and..PODMAS I think), it doesn't follow normal notation. Usually they'll sling a divide sign "÷" to confuse the matter.

The question should be wrote as 48/2(9+3) or 48÷2*(9+3), depending on whether you're using mathematical notation or computer notation. Equally, a calculator works it out by L-R rather than parenthesized operands.

But as it's such an early learnt lesson, people will defend to the death their answer.

Equally, I've got a fair coin. I flip it 49 times and 49 times it turns up as a head. What chance is there that it turns up a head on the next flip?

Spoiler

Half. It will always be half. Coins have no memory. The chance of making that run is 1/2^49 or similar, but the next flip is treated without knowledge of the past ones.

And I bet at least 5 people will violently disagree with that answer.

It's obviously more then that!!!! rageragerage.

But seriously, there's even a name for that, gambler's fallacy.


Also, for more rage, .99999.... (equally repeating) is equal to what? Assume real number system, which should be assumed unless otherwise noted.

 

[aba1]

Lack of mathematical prowess is small factor in the broad range of "intelligence". Most people forget about PEMDAS when they enter the real world. Way to generalize.

this ^ BEDMAS is somthing I havent used in 3 years since highschool so ya it isnt going to be the first thing to pop into my head and yes at first ill admit I did think zero but your way dumber than me if you judge a persons inteligence based on BEDMAS I could teach you about things that you wouldnt have the slightest clue about but apperntly im depressingly stupid

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

.99999.... (equally repeating)

Oh god, don't start them off again!!!!

 

[spartan231490]

You could be disappointed...or proud. I'm honestly impressed by how many people caught that minus sign.

that actually looks more like the type of question that tests to see if your really paying attention to it since its also got a -1 hidden in there that is easy to over look if your just skimming it

also they already tax people who are bad at math, so I dont see what your bitching about
the tax is called the lotto, look it up

Damn I tried it but I missed the minus sign just because I assumed it was all pluses. I don't see that as a lack of intelligence as much as just not noticing something. If I was taking a math test or something and saw that problem I'd analyze it more carefully and would of got it right.

The minus sign appears to be a typo, as the answer 4 isn't available. With the minus sign it reduces to 10-6+0=10-6=4

Ok, I've ran the question through my head a few times as well as through a calculator and I still get 0.
Tried it 2 ways:
1+1+1+!+1 etc x0 = 0 as well as:
1+1+1+1+1 etc +(1x0) = 0

I've always been taught that multiplying ANY number by zero equals 0

I'm with the 900,000+ people on this one unless someone can please show me how they got around the laws of numeracy by multiplying by 0 at the end and still getting a number above 0

you only multiply the last 1 by 0, so you get 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+ . . . + 0. you multiply before you add, PEMDAS(parenthesis, exponents, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction, that's the order of operations). the last line you wrote down doesn't equal 0.
1+1+1+1+1 etc +(1x0) =/= 0
then ur just adding a bunch of numbers and then adding 0, which doesn't make the result 0.

OT: Of course the world is full of idiots, and the complete lack of intelligence should disappoint, if not horrify you, but this question has nothing to do with even mathematical intelligence. It's just to tell if you can remember PEMDAS and actually look at the question.

 

[Alon Shechter]

I don't really decide who intelligent someone is based on their mathematical skills.
But yeah, anyone beyond the third grade should know this.

I barley knew how to multiply when I was in third grade, lol. Let alone know pemdas.

Then was it fourth grade?
Honestly, I have no bloody idea as to what grade it was...
I always knew or more or less, never the same level of my class..

 

[Spoonius]

People who think (and proclaim) that they're more intelligent than everyone else really piss me off.

Some people aren't good at maths. Some people may not have noticed the minus sign. Some people might have only granted the test a passing glance. Some people simply may not remember the mathematical principles that apply here.

Don't generalise, and definitely don't give people shit so that you can feel intellectually superior. There are idiots out there who can whiz through maths tests, and there are geniuses out there who can't do long division to save their life.

 

[drizztmainsword]

There have been a lot of threads on this forum about this.

Many people never payed attention to math class. Really, only the people that internalized math are going to get that problem right. I don't think about "PEMDAS." In fact, I didn't even remember that there was an acronym for it unti it came up here a few weeks ago.

I hear you.

I've never been taught a "PEMDAS" or an equivalent during the 15 years of education I've endured. I'd hazard a guess that "PEMDAS" has more to do with remembering than actually learning. I'm no psychologist, though.

To me, teaching maths with "PEMDAS", is like wearing a green sock in your left foot, and a red one on your right, so you'll always remember where left and right are.

EDIT: Or indeed, if you just remember the phrase "Whenever you multiply with 0, the result is always 0". Which is what happened here..

Exactly. Somebody who knows math just looks at the problem and knows. They don't have to rationalize why one thing goes before the next one, they just know it.

 

[isnosche]

Most people mindless press 0 , just because its the first thing that pops in your mind really.
In your mind you go anything X 0 = 0 simple Press ...
Oh crap. Its like people say more a paying attention issue then a math one
And calling someone a mongaloid because they messed up on a math problem on fb.
one thing pops in my mind "takes one to know one"
This is pretty similar to the people that dismiss someone for making a grammar mistake.

 

[aDuck]

...But that equation is asking how much fruit you have, not how many apples and oranges you have. I am saying when you say you have 1 orange and 2 apples, you are representing them mathematically. (1 orange and 2 apples) = (1*orange + 2*apples). You cant say (1*orange + 2*apples) = ((1*orange + 2)*apples), because that is very different. But i digress.

I stand by my point. Maths is reading equations, and reading equations is maths. Mathematically represented:
Math = (Reading Equations)
where (Reading Equations) is one term.

You will struggle to find a math concept that doesnt include equations.

Guess we will have to disagree on that then, i think most people in their daily life use maths without equations all the time.

BTW condescending statements like '(Hint: it starts with "m" ;D)' really just cheapen your argument by showing how smug you are.

As I said before, you will struggle to use maths without equations in daily life. Using your previous example, where you added 1 orange, 2 apples and 0 strawberries, that works out to be:
1+2+0=3.
Wheither you think about it like that or not, thats how it works. Just thinking 2 and 1 is 3 is an equation, with swapping and and is for mathematical symbols (+ and = respectively).

And sorry if the statement offended you. It was meant to be a joke, however you did not take it that way.

I'm not going to split hairs with you about what is and what isn't an equation. My opinion is not knowing the how to write up equations will not make the least difference to most peoples lives and is not an indicator of intellect.

That I can agree on, that many people will not need to conciously make equations, and it is not an indicator of total intellect.

 

[Coraxian]

I'm going to chime in with the crowd that's saying something like this:

It doesn't test mathematical prowess, but knowledge of convention.

In real life you have to make your own equations, therefore the understanding of those equations isn't dependant on knowledge of those conventions.

At base, this is the same debate as the use of proper spelling.

Personally I'm for the use of proper spelling, just like I'm for the use of proper mathematical "spelling". Just one tip for real life though: remember people make spelling errors, they will also make mathematical spelling errors. The problem with the latter is that it has a far higher chance of producing a misunderstanding. When you're calculating something important, it might be best to check whether the formula's you've been given are "spelled" correctly.

So, I guess the real lack of intelligence would be in people blindly following convention. Screaming "but my calculations followed your formulae!" before plummeting to your untimely demise will only land your ass at the Darwin awards.

 

[Nimcha]

Man, we should just all agree to never write equations like that so there can never be ambiguity.

 

[triggrhappy94]

*Sigh* I've seen these before.
There is NO right answer. People will post seemingly simple math questions. However, their syntax is always awful, so there's never a right answer.
it could be...
(1+1+1+1...)x0
or
1+1+1..(1x0)
but the funny thing is the people who answered "14" still can't count.

 

[Hyper-space]

Yay! can we start a circle-jerk over how fucking superior we all are to people who forget the PEDMAS rule?

Really, who the fuck cares? i think about a ton of those votes didn't even look closely and see the minus sign in there.