I genuinely think Microsoft are out of the running

[Defense]

I don't really see any major company going out of the gaming business. Maybe in 2006 Sony could've gone out, but they actually picked up after their mess and became an actual threat to the 360.

Just because YOU don't like the library doesn't make PS3's better then 360's. PS3's library is sad compared to 360 or even the PS2. Sorry, the numbers don't lie.

The PS3 has about 90% of the good games on the 360, and most of the good 360 exclusives are on the PC as well.

And the PS2 has a library more than 2 times bigger than the 360.

 

[FernandoV]

I don't really see any major company going out of the gaming business. Maybe in 2006 Sony could've gone out, but they actually picked up after their mess and became an actual threat to the 360.

Just because YOU don't like the library doesn't make PS3's better then 360's. PS3's library is sad compared to 360 or even the PS2. Sorry, the numbers don't lie.

The PS3 has about 90% of the good games on the 360, and most of the good 360 exclusives are on the PC as well.

And the PS2 has a library more than 2 times bigger than the 360.

I think the main point we're all missing is that what constitutes a "good" game depends on the player. Choose the console with the exclusives that you prefer; I don't care for LBP and Resistance/Killzone don't entice me so I mainly keep to my 360.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

There are so many things wrong with this statement i don´t know where to begin. And i won´t. Im sure somebody will point out the obvious flaws. All i have to say is. That even thoug you put a LOT of words into it, it still makes no sense.

Yup this is the answer right here.

 

[stabnex]

You're entitled to your opinion, but they're all wrong for reasons I'm not ready to be trolled for.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Mozza444]

Oh how I love to see the loyal fanboys cry and squabble as somebody says their console is bad.
Like how "other controllers are for 5 year old children", ahh where as others would laugh at a controller with their superior keyboard and mouse.

Me however, I'm so glad i don't give the tiniest shit about these things any more, sit back and relax.. from the outside this is pretty fucking hilarious.

Its the guys/gals opinion.. Chill.
Plus it is Christmas.

 

[Fiery Killer]

Kinect is not an upgrade to 360. Even Microsoft is intelligent enough to know that they can't feed their huge swarm of Halo and CoD fanbases with kinect titles like kinectimals. Kinect AND Move alike were, what I believe, just a way to get a casual gaming audience into their systems, which worked out so successfully for Nintendo.

 

[demoman_chaos]

The common points 360 users make is that the 360 has better online, more and better games, Kinect, sales, and some other stuff I forgot.

Point 1-Online. LIVE really isn't any better. Cross-game voice chat would be nice to have, but nothing big. Multiplatform games may do marginally better with LIVE than PSN, but PS3 exclusives do far better (Halo 3 was unplayable on a friend's satellite connection, but KZ2 worked decently well). The big issue is timed-exclusive tat. Timed exclusive CoD maps, games, or DLC. Brag about it while you can, but once the timer runs out you can't say anything at all. Pointless waste of MS's money I'd say, but whatever helps them feel better. 1 thing I have to say though, my friend Mike's (4th,due to repeated breaking) 360 doesn't like his ethernet cable (which works fine with the PS3) and won't connect to LIVE. Just throwing that out there.

Point 2- Games. No it doesn't have better games. The 360 exclusive line-up had a strong start when the PS2 was still out, but now that the PS3 got its shoes tied the list is very very poor. 2011 has Gears 3 (which I heard is already finished and has been for months), Forza 4, and that is about it. Comparing to the PS3 which has Resistance 3 and the new Motorstorm, to name just 2 of at least 10 big name games, it is very poor list. Back catalog is more comparable, but the PS3 has more AAA titles and more big name IP's (Gears, Halo, and Forza vs inFamous, Uncharted, SOCOM, Gran Turismo, God of War, R&C, etc.). 360 has the quantity (a good chunk of early titles were also on PS2), but PS3 has more quality.

Point 3-Kinect is not going to be useful to core gamers. Lag and imprecision are very detrimental to its potential. The fact that there are no buttons is very very crippling. If you can figure out a way to play Halo Reach competitively with it online, and maybe I might reconsider my stance. The Move however is different. It has buttons and precision. MAG players with Move are doing quite well. Kinect is more family friendly, but family friendly shovelware is all you will get. It could have some cool non-gaming functions, but nothing the Move can't do more accuratly and with better reaction time.

Point 4- Sales. 1 year head start is helpful, but remember how earlier I mentioned my friend Mike is on his 4th 360? Probably not but he is on his 4th 360. He had them sent it and got a new one at no charge which is great, but here comes the kicker. My friend Darren is on his 5th or 6th 360, and when his go down he buys a new one. That is 5 or 6 sales on 1 person. I am very certain he isn't the only one. Me friend Jake works at Wal*Mart and says he has heard some idiots skip out on the warranty and opt to just buy another one when it breaks. The point I am making is that at least 15-40% or 360 sales are repeat buyers getting new ones due to their old ones breaking. Anyone ever compare number of 360's in use vs number of PS3's in use? I am very certain that would be in the PS3's favor (can't be bothered to look).

TLR-
-Timed exclusives aren't worth the cost of LIVE and PS3 exclusives run far better than 360 ones.
-Quality vs Quantity, the 360 may have more, but the PS3 has more good games
-Kinect is a kids toy and I will not say otherwise, you can't play Halo online and do near as good as someone with a controller
-People buying a new 360 4 or 5 times due to hardware failures really boosts sales figures.

 

[brodie21]

nice troll thread.

i love my 360. i wouldnt trade it for a ps3 any day of the week. i like how the controller feels in my hand much better than the ps3 controller. i like the game library. i couldnt care less about advanced hardware, as long as the thing runs its fine with me.

 

[mattttherman3]

Honestly, it disturbes me that Nintendo has the big crowd(not including wow). Because they almost never have any new ideas(that turn out good), my proof of this is Mario Galaxy 2. Omg could you imagine Bioware forced to downgrade to get on the wii.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

The second nail in Microsoft's proverbial coffin is X-Box Live. Which, unless they fix some stuff, will continue being the worst of the bunch. Think about it: PC gaming - online in games is free. Wii online - free. PS3 online - free. 360 online - monthly fee. So already they're behind.

Microsoft charges for their online service so they can continue to upgrade it, along with releasing new and exclusive that the PS3 and Wii will never see.

 

[The_Deleted]

The X360 library is in no way superior to the PS3.
And I speak as an owner of all the consoles. I rarely buy anything for my 360 that isn't a shooter or a racer.

Just because YOU don't like the library doesn't make PS3's better then 360's. PS3's library is sad compared to 360 or even the PS2. Sorry, the numbers don't lie.

Again. This is not what I've said.
It's not a question of personal taste. I enjoy shooting and driving as much as the next gamer, but the Microsoft don't exactly push the boundaries when it comes to Exclusives for their console. Halo is huge, no question, but Gears is not really that much of a departure.
When you consider the titles SONY is (finally) giving us purely for the PS3 then it's plain the PS3 has a far more varied library of genres. The X360 can sell a fuck tonne of HALO's, but they haven't given us anything comparable to LBP or Folklore.
And as for dismissing the PS2 library... I can only presume you've been gaming for all of about 10 minutes.

 

[D_987]

Again. This is not what I've said.
It's not a question of personal taste. I enjoy shooting and driving as much as the next gamer, but the Microsoft don't exactly push the boundaries when it comes to Exclusives for their console. Halo is huge, no question, but Gears is not really that much of a departure.
When you consider the titles SONY is (finally) giving us purely for the PS3 then it's plain the PS3 has a far more varied library of genres. The X360 can sell a fuck tonne of HALO's, but they haven't given us anything comparable to LBP or Folklore.
And as for dismissing the PS2 library... I can only presume you've been gaming for all of about 10 minutes.

I'm not even sure what agenda you're actually trying to push here. That LBP and Folklore are somehow so unique and different that 360 exclusives like Lost Odyssey and Alan Wake aren't comparable? Because, let's face it, that's just not true [especially when you look at the middling reviews Folklore received] - nor for that matter - fair.
To be honest neither LBP or Folklore sold at all well either, so that reasoning is lost too, I'm really at a loss as to your point...

 

[The_Deleted]

I'm not even sure what agenda you're actually trying to push here. That LBP and Folklore are somehow so unique and different that 360 exclusives like Lost Odyssey and Alan Wake aren't comparable? Because, let's face it, that's just not true [especially when you look at the middling reviews Folklore received] - nor for that matter - fair.
To be honest neither LBP or Folklore sold at all well either, so that reasoning is lost too, I'm really at a loss as to your point...

It's not a question of sales. It's a matter of diversity. The X360 has a very narrow remit when it comes to the games it releases. And as for Alan Wake, it hardly set the charts on fire and Lost Odyssey is one of many RPGs the 360 provides.

Folklore, as you say, didn't sell. But it was launch title and we all know the PS3 didn't exactly hit the ground running. But a game like Folklore would never find a huge market at any time. LBP has sold enough to warrant a sequel and has a huge user base. So it's obviously generated enough sales (and user created content) over time, either through sell through or just word of mouth, to gain Sony's faith in the idea

Microsoft seem to want to follow the money, which, let's be honest, is no surprise to any of us and not automatically a bad thing. It's going after the Wii market (as are SONY) with an expensive peripheral which may be just another eyetoy or could, if they have the confidence in their core market really dictate the next generation of hardware.

I'm not bigging up one company over another, I love what my X360 provides but if I was forced to choose one library of games over the other, it'd be the PS3 all the way.

As long as I could play the games with my XBOX controller.

 

[asam92]

I agree that the Kinect is stupid, but then again I also dislike the Wii motions and the move too, it's all to gimmicky for my taste, but each to their own.
If you look at the best exclusives comparing MS and Sony you have to give it to Sony with Infamous2, Uncharted 3 and The Last Guardian all coming next year, and now that Mass Effect 3 is coming to PS3 at the same time as 360 and Bungie are now not making Halo games, then the only juggernaut they have left is Gears of War 3 and I dont even think that it is that good.
The fact that 360 has monthly subscription fees is just crazy. People are saying that 360 is the optimum online experience but I have played online on all 3 consoles as I own all 3 and I fail to see any differences.
I can say that I have got only 6 360 games but 32 PS3 games, I think that just proves the point of which console is better.
Plus the PS3 is 100% Region Free where as the 360 is only 'mostly' region free.

EDIT: They have Fable and Forza as well and thats pretty good I suppose.

 

[Krylock]

AHAHAHAHA No. Microsoft will never be out of the running...

 

[Mcface]

I'd say console gaming is dying out as a whole.

You see what the current consoles can do now. Watch movies, surf the internet, check youtube... eventually people are going to realise, "Hey! This isn't a console anymore! This is a PC!"

Then I shall appear before the new PC users and lead them to the Promised Land of PC gaming as their savior! And there shall be free cookies every Sunday!

Okay, maybe not the last bit there, but can someone give me free cookies every Sunday anyway?

You do realize console sales almost triple PC sales.. right?

I doubt that, unless you are counting their games

Look at the sales of the more popular cross platform games.
PCs made up about 12% of total copies bought with black ops, Xbox being 53%
was the same with modern warfare.

Your earlier sentence made it seem like you are counting console sales. And of course there are more PCs being sold than consoles.

That aside, i don't really like the CoD series anyways

I would still argue that there are more consoles sold than gaming PCs.

 

[Kabutos]

Seeing as how there are already 6 pages of discussion, I feel that anything I say will no doubt be the same as someone else, however there's a couple comments that I'd like to respond to, particularly the ones in regards to this post. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.252452.9378497]

...or maybe PC's are dying. Maybe people will start using consoles to go on the internet, check email, etc... from their couch. With HDTV's and wireless accessories there is nothing preventing a console from becoming a full fledged PC. In fact, right now you can plug your PC into an HDTV via VGA or HDMI. There is no doubt that in the future console will become more like PC's.

Both the PS3 and the Wii have a web browser already. Microsoft would rather charge you $60 a year to access specific web based apps than let you use a web browser for free that could access all those sites and more.

I'm sorry, but people have been saying that PC Gaming is dead or dying for years now, which is completely false. I highly doubt that people would rather browse the web and check their email using a console and controller rather than using a computer. While it is true that consoles are technically 'computers', they are not nearly as powerful nor versatile as PC's; they might come closer in terms of hardware, but they'll never be able to do what a PC can.

Or, people say "Hey, this is a PC without DRM or any assosciated hassle, you don't have to check system requirements that aren't always accurate before playing a game, and it can be played from a couch or similarly relaxed position! Sweet!"

And consoles can even have mods, most games just don't support it.

You mention DRM, which I admit is hassle for some games, but I hardly think that checking system requirements is such a daunting task. You also mention being able to play from a couch or a similarly relaxed position, however I don't see how that's an advantage to the consoles; I actually prefer sitting in a computer chair than on a couch when gaming.

Also, I don't know where you got this but consoles cannot have mods.

no...

they will go hey, this console is a PC!! but 3 times cheaper!!

then....

they look at their phone and see movies, TV, games, and internet and realize, "Hey this is a PC but much more portable and much more convenient AND its 5 times cheaper!!"

seriously i see PCs going the way of dial up and wired internet....

No. Just no.

 

[MercurySteam]

Holy shit same here. But seriously, is there anything really wrong with Microsoft making a popular console? Before the PlayStation Sony made VCR's and TV's. Before the Xbox Microsoft made a lot of money with their intuitive software. I think it's good to have a stake in an industry that grows closer to home every year.

Don't you mean Xerox's intuitive software?

If you're talking about that company founded in 1906 that makes printers then, no.