I hate Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

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Pandalisk

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I kinda liked watching Batman and Catwomen take out those Badguys from strange angles, gave it a sense that Batman is everywhere and nowhere, like in the old Arkham asylum days.

The biggest disappointing moment i thought was the ending, i was relieved that the Bat didn't die in the end, but also saddened as it cheapened his supposed sacrifice, the bat should've died.

Also Bane's death was a complete disappointing mess, what, that's it? he just gets shot? i mean yeah, Catwoman's one liner was funny but still, i wanted a grander death!. Also no Talia-Al-ghul-Batman son :/
 

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Pompey71 said:
Bloody hell. Remind me not to voice my opinions on this forum...ever! So much for polite rebuttal eh? How dare the OP say his side of things on an open FORUM and expect some casual debate of his points. Let's launch in, call him a as****e and leave. Geez.
Funny, I was about to say the same thing. Apparently you can't discuss/debate any piece of entertainment with out all these stupid sensitive fans giving you short hand smart ass reply's. I'm sure those hypocrites would love the same treatment.

However, don't let them get to you, please share your opinion. Just ignore the shit heads which is about 50% of your reply's, and put all your focus on the mature Escapee's.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
 

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Soemthing which noone seems to have picked up on yet with the bomb (because it was clearly never meant to be a reactor): this thing apparently leaves no fallout when it detonates and is safe enough for Gorden to hug it, yet at the same time is chucking out enough radiation for the US military to detect it with orbital sensors...

Also, I wouldn't get too hung up on comparing it to real world reactors since it clearly isn't one. Their main crime in this was attaching techno-buzzwords to it, if they just called it the Green Energy Reaction Machine (I can't be bothered coming up with a good acronym right now) then they could have had it do whatever they wanted (ala the Arc Reactor (creating new elements not withstanding)) without people screaming "But it doesn't work like that!" (although it would still clearly be a repurposed bomb and not a proper reactor).
 

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Lionsfan said:
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
Those moments were ones that let the viewer use their imagination. I had no problem with them as they were not critical to comprehension of the main plot points and the movie's messages.



SaneAmongInsane said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
 

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You mean like how the Joker in Dark Knight shot Gordon on purpose because he knew Gordon would fake his death and go undercover as a S.W.A.T. driver and then get the drop on Joker as he attacked the convoy so he could get captured and nab that Chinese guy from inside the prison? Talk about planning ahead.

MiracleOfSound said:
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
Except that Nolan's Batman movies have always pushed the sense of realism to the max. Hence why there's no supernatural villians in it and a "superhero" sensibility is nowhere to be found. They've always been realistic action thriller first and superhero movie second.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I think you're mistaking my question with bitching. I liked the movie, and I let other things slip like how Batman got from the Middle East to New York City Gotham despite supposedly being penniless, I'm just saying that was the one thing that made me go, "Hold on a minute"
Those moments were ones that let the viewer use their imagination. I had no problem with them as they were not critical to comprehension of the main plot points and the movie's messages.



SaneAmongInsane said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Lionsfan said:
I don't your scale is off. Just look at the Nuclear Tests that were run in the 60's. Some of those areas took forever to become deradiatized, and since they all saw the bomb from the bridge, I assume it was fairly close. I hope everyone enjoys poisoned drinking water for the next few decades
It was 6 miles. It wasn't a normal nuclear bomb, it was a special device designed by scientific pioneers.

People will seriously ***** about anything. Suspension of disbelief.
My suspension of disbelief went away when a nuclear bomb went off and Wayne some how not only survived but was perfectly fine

Actually no, there is a lot wrong with this movie. How the hell does Jim Gordon not know it's Bruce Wayne? WHO THE FUCK ELSE COULD AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT? Let alone Gordon sees the man at his hospital bed wearing a fucking suit.

Also The Bat was sitting on top of a random building for months....

I enjoyed the fuck out of this movie, but at some point Nolan just said "Fuck you." to the realism
Haha! Realsim :D In A Batman movie. :D
Batman fights the mafia vs Batman CHUNKS A FUCKING NUKE INTO THE OCEAN AND LIVES!

c'mon. I know I'm not being foolish
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
It's a superhero film, stop taking it so seriously.

I thought it was fun, and I'm someone who think Batman sucks.
Except that Nolan wanted this versiob to BE taken seriously and acording to this people, it failed.
 

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The Heik said:
It's a contrived, cohesiveness mess of a film, and I honestly regret having paid money for it.
Dont worry for all the negative feedback, as soon Red Letter Media does the video about the movie saying that it sucks, the people here will CONVENIENTLY agree with them.

While we are at it, did you see Cabin In The Woods? an analysis on its.....allegories would be nice.
 

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I've noticed things like this come up in every single superhero or sci-fi/fantasy movie discussion ever, and I think it's really interesting how different people look at film.
When a criticism is levelled at a movie that it's unrealistic for superman to just telepathically know Lex Luthor is hiding in Cambodia and just show up there for no apparent reason, a large group will say " REALISM? IN A SUPERMAN MOVIE? SURELY SIR YOU JEST!". Superman can already fly and shoot lasers, which is totally unrealistic, why should anyone care if he's suddenly omniscient? It seems like a fairly cavalier way of looking at movies and ensuring you enjoy them more- why nitpick and let flaws ruin a good ride, right?

However, I am one of those unfortunates who belong in the second group. I find it harder to enjoy a movie if it's not internally consistent. What does that mean? In the case of fantasy/sci-fi/superhero movie, obviously some of the laws of the 'real world' get broken. Internal consistency is when superman can fly and shoot lasers, but he can't turn back time by flying anti-clockwise suddenly and for no reason, without ever using this power before or since. The unnanounced appearance of this ability (and the fact that it doesn't make sense even within the world of superman) breaks the movie's internal consistency. Just the same with superman automatically knowing Lex Luthor is in Cambodia- Superman isn't omniscient, that's not one of his powers.

What does this mean for Dark Knight Rises?
Well, there are certain times the movie just trips over its own feet. The nuclear bomb is established as being A: Radioactive, and B: having a six-mile blast radius. That makes us ask ourselves questions like "How did batman get six miles from the blast and survive?" and "Won't Gotham be irradiated now?". I can understand how some people might look at this as being pedantic and trying to find reasons to not lie something, but it's not like that at all. I think it's highly personal, and just about what each person individually is prepared to forgive. Let's pretend you were watching Dark Knight Rises, and Batman is having the epic final battle with Bane. Bane gains the upper hand, when Batman suddenly shoots lasers out of his eyes at Bane to back him up, then pulls out his magic wand and turns Bane into a ham. (please don't post a joke response telling the forum how awesome that movie would be and how you'd totally watch it, the joke's obvious and kinda played out at this point)
You'd probably call BS, right?
That's what it felt like for a lot of people when Bruce was able to survive a nuclear blast with no reason given in the movie as to how he did. Nolan's movies do this a lot, and you usually forgive him because the journey is so epic and tumultuous anyway that you're willing to let it slide. I see nothing wrong with not letting that slide though, I think stopping and asking these questions is good. It lets us see how the movie could've been improved, and the discussion itself is just part of the fun. Most of us love The Dark Knight, but there are lots of stupid little things that happen that don't have to be stupid, and by highlighting these, it means we might one day appreciate more the movies that don't have these problems with consistency.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
motherfucking Batman went from fighting the motherfucking mafia to chucking a motherfucking nuclear bomb in the motherfucking ocean...
Bruce Wayne lives. 1. He fixed the autopilot, so he could bail out before the bomb went off. 2. In the ending sequence they mention a string of pearls going missing. 3. The bat signal is mysteriously fixed

Theres a lot of clues, but ultimately Alfred isn't hallucinating, he's actually seeing Bruce and Selina living a secret life together.
 

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Not sure if author thought he was watching a summer blockbuster or an extremely technical documentary...

It's called suspension of disbelief, you should have realized you didn't have any before you bought your ticket, a few of those things crossed my mind but they honestly didn't bother me because I didn't let them. It's a valuable skill to learn.
 

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Nfritzappa said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
motherfucking Batman went from fighting the motherfucking mafia to chucking a motherfucking nuclear bomb in the motherfucking ocean...
Bruce Wayne lives. 1. He fixed the autopilot, so he could bail out before the bomb went off. 2. In the ending sequence they mention a string of pearls going missing. 3. The bat signal is mysteriously fixed

Theres a lot of clues, but ultimately Alfred isn't hallucinating, he's actually seeing Bruce and Selina living a secret life together.
my point is though, saving a city from a nuclear blast like that is when you start leaving Batman's reality and enter Superman's.
 

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Locque said:
If the movie brought that information up and wasnt consistent with it, then its the fault of the movie and not from the audience that called out that flaw.
 

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Steppin Razor said:
Still doesn't explain how the criminals took over the city when they could barely hit thousands of charging cops with machine guns.
All the cops were out of the way and as per the rule of comic books and comic book movies, average citizens exist only to be terrorised and show no backbone of their own. It's just the way it goes.

So, basically, with Batman and pretty much the entire Gotham City Police Department disposed of, there was nobody to even really try and stop Bane and his crew. Plus the whole "try anything and I take you all down in a flaming mushroom cloud of pure death incarnate" is pretty good for cowing people into submission. It's a nice card to be able to play.

OT: These are all perfectly valid complaints against the film but... I just don't care. I enjoyed it far too much.

Though, nagging about Bane being downright clairvoyant at times rings a bit hollow after the previous film had the fucking Joker in it.

The only real complaint I can find it in me to agree with you on was the time jumps. I did think they really needed to show the passage of time better. Other than that though, I loved it. I'd call it the best film I've seen all year but this is the only film to come out this year that I've actually seen, so it'd sound a bit hollow as praise.

OH! One complain I have to make, but it's a pretty small one - I did occasionally miss one of Bane's lines because I couldn't make out what he said. Through the background noise, the music, and the muffled voice... it got a bit difficult occasionally. Nothing major though.
 

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Almost every movie has continuity errors and ridiculous things happening in them.

Why should you single just this one movie out? Did it murder your parents?
Sorry you were so busy analyzing all this that you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was: a superhero movie.
 

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About the nuclear bomb...

As already said, the whole thing is hypothetical because it doesn't really exist (yet). Who are we to say how it should work? Maybe the proper execution of fusion power at that time required some system or technology that made things work the way they did. Holding this against the movie is really far-fetched.

And the batwing...

It does have some kind of jet engines on the sides (click [http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/d/dark_knight_rises_set_110801/dark_knight_rises_set_aug_11/b_batwing.jpg]), so who knows, maybe it can get up to several hundred MPH when it can stretch its legs and go full speed.

And Batman surviving...

Maybe he ditched Batwing and used his Batachute before he even left dry land. I don't really remember how the scene was cut but anyway he could have bailed almost at any point, so bitching about this is pointless.

A lot of the complaints in this thread are solid, but (especially) these felt like someone was looking for errors for the sake of looking for errors.
 

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You know, part of me wishes that this movie actually sucked ass, because if the amount of fanboys bitching about suspension of disbelief and how stupid people are for having more critical views of the film is so great now, imagine how many more insecure people there would be if the film actually sucked.

It would be glorious watching the fanboys shit themselves trying to justify their views and discredit anyone with a negative opinion.
 

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Well, I actually enjoyed this movie. Sure it had some stupid parts, but they were in general few and far between. Did they bother me? Yes. Am I going to let it ruin the rest of the otherwise very good film? No. Trying to discredit dissenting opinions is often pointless, especially when neither side is willing to budge. While I'd like to think this topic can be a critical examination that could potentially lead to a genuinely intellectual discussion, I fear that is most likely not going to happen. This is the internet after all, and no one can just have an opinion.