I Hate Metro 2033, and I Blame YOU

[tsb247]

I am surrently playing through Metro 2033, and it is not what I expected at all. That's not to say that I do not enjoy it, but I was expecting a more open world as well.

I also HATE checkpoint save systems. They are the reason why I HATE consoles. They are used because of the limitations placed on consoles and the developers never bother to streamline for PC! PCs have ridiculous amounts of hard drive space! Let me use it dammit!

I wish my PS3 would let me use my 320GB of hard drive space for more than fucking updates and let me save whenever I want. Save states are my friend, I need to invest some cash in my PC now that I have some cash flow again.

I suppose I should be fair and not place so much blame on the platform when there is equal blame to be spread to the devleopers. How the trend of checkpoint save systems caught on, I have no idea. All I know is that I grew up with PC games and consoles, but I later gravitated to the PC when consoles started to advance so rapidly that it became pointless to catch up. That particular system of saving a game did not find its way to PC games until recently, and I HATE it! Having played a lot of console games as well, I see where it comes from. It stems from the fact that many console games untilize the feature, and the developers that port the game just never bother to add anything new. It's just copy + paste to the PC, and that really irks me.

But yes, some friends of mine with PS3s wondered the same thing... Then they went and got X360s.

As for me, I dumped a lot of cash into a PC and I have never looked back.

 

[Signa]

EDIT: Ok, I suppose I'm blaming the dev a little bit, but it's the limitations of the console that they are having to work around. There's no F5-F9 on a controller. Every button is precious, and using 2 to save and load is asking too much.

> Pause
> Load/Save

Most console games don't have that because they don't have enough buttons as a m/kb, but what stops them from putting it into the menu?

I don't know how you quoted Smash and not me, but if it was that easy, then they would do it more often. They don't, so I assume they have their reasons. Whatever their reason, I certainly prefer PC games that allow it. Hell, I could do that in Wolfenstien, there isn't a good enough reason to not put it in console games, yet they fail, release after release.

Basically, I'm pissed about it.

 

[CityofTreez]

EDIT: Ok, I suppose I'm blaming the dev a little bit, but it's the limitations of the console that they are having to work around. There's no F5-F9 on a controller. Every button is precious, and using 2 to save and load is asking too much.

> Pause
> Load/Save

Most console games don't have that because they don't have enough buttons as a m/kb, but what stops them from putting it into the menu?

I don't know how you quoted Smash and not me, but if it was that easy, then they would do it more often. They don't, so I assume they have their reasons. Whatever their reason, I certainly prefer PC games that allow it. Hell, I could do that in Wolfenstien, there isn't a good enough reason to not put it in console games, yet they fail, release after release.

Basically, I'm pissed about it.

I don't know how I quoted him, haha.

I get what you're getting at and I agree, it is bullshit. Shame.

 

[Something Amyss]

One of my biggest gripes with the game as stated earlier, is the lack of a decent save system, advanced graphics options, and the compartmentalized gameplay experience. I firmly believe all of these flaws could have been alleviated had it been developed on a PC and then ported to consoles from there.

And truthers believe fire can melt steel. that doesn't mean the belief is viable.

 

[WanderingFool]

Especially YOU, Adrian!!

Ha! Someones been here a while.

Hmmm. Blaming everyone else here for your unfortunate game purchase, eh? Well soon everyone will probably beg for your forgiveness!

"I can see no other possible outcome."
p.s. Never played this game.

(Guess quote get Escapist cookie! Hint: badges.)

I rarely blame other people for unfortunate purchases, Ijust blame the game's developer/publisher for my horrible purchase, or for making a sucky game... I think it works...

Also was that a Doomsday Arcade reference? God I want to watch those videos again...

 

[Fijiman]

I personally liked the game. Hell, the only reason I even played the game is because my little brother bought it and it looked interesting enough.

All I didn't like in the game was the fucking amoeba enemies near the end. People who got to that bit know what I'm on about.

Fuck those things. I probably failed that part ten times before the hint about their spawners popped up, and even then those things are still a bunch of little bastards.

 

[tsb247]

One of my biggest gripes with the game as stated earlier, is the lack of a decent save system, advanced graphics options, and the compartmentalized gameplay experience. I firmly believe all of these flaws could have been alleviated had it been developed on a PC and then ported to consoles from there.

And truthers believe fire can melt steel. that doesn't mean the belief is viable.

Ok, We'll look at it this way.

How would a complete user-defined save system, options for advanced graphics tweaking, and a more open world with more interactivity have harmed this game or in any way caused it to be worse than it is?

The fact is, that if it had been developed with the PC as the lead console, it would likely have had one or more of these things and possibly more, or at least, it would have been able to had the developers chosen to include them.

 

[Faladorian]

Alright, so. I bought this...thing...in the last Steam Sale. I bought it because of YOU GUYS. Over and over on these forums, I saw you bigging it up. "Oh, la la la la la, Metro 2033, I loves it I loves it, best game since STALKER, post nuclear fans rejoice, la la la la la." FALSE ADVERTISING, says I!

I saw this, and my brain immediately thought:

This could easily be applied to BORDERLANDS.


I played WoW for almost 4 years, and I've played Diablo II. I'm perfectly fine with stats on loot. So don't say that's why Borderlands sucks. It's because it SUCKS!

Spoiler: Just thinking about it makes me...

GOD DAMNIT I HATE BORDERLANDS! FUCK!

Spoiler: BorderRant

I also bought Border-fucking-lands on the Steam sale. Game of the year edition for $7. Even so, I was enraged that I even spent $7 on it. I'm still mad about it! That's ridiculous!

I also bought Sakura Samurai on the 3DS shop for $7. Probably had an hour and a half of playtime altogether. I still felt like that was a better investment of my money than Borderlands. I played Borderlands for 5 hours before I was so enraged with the absolute shittiness of the game I straight-up uninstalled it. I didn't want my hard drive being corrupted with the stank of Borderlands.

 

[Signa]

Alright, so. I bought this...thing...in the last Steam Sale. I bought it because of YOU GUYS. Over and over on these forums, I saw you bigging it up. "Oh, la la la la la, Metro 2033, I loves it I loves it, best game since STALKER, post nuclear fans rejoice, la la la la la." FALSE ADVERTISING, says I!

I saw this, and my brain immediately thought:

This could easily be applied to BORDERLANDS.


I played WoW for almost 4 years, and I've played Diablo II. I'm perfectly fine with stats on loot. So don't say that's why Borderlands sucks. It's because it SUCKS!

Spoiler: Just thinking about it makes me...

GOD DAMNIT I HATE BORDERLANDS! FUCK!

Spoiler: BorderRant

I also bought Border-fucking-lands on the Steam sale. Game of the year edition for $7. Even so, I was enraged that I even spent $7 on it. I'm still mad about it! That's ridiculous!

I also bought Sakura Samurai on the 3DS shop for $7. Probably had an hour and a half of playtime altogether. I still felt like that was a better investment of my money than Borderlands. I played Borderlands for 5 hours before I was so enraged with the absolute shittiness of the game I straight-up uninstalled it. I didn't want my hard drive being corrupted with the stank of Borderlands.

What did you hate about it? What were you expecting going in? I'm genuinely curious, because it sounds like you hate the game just as much as all my friends and I love it. I can see some people being bored with it, but hate? I'm confused.

 

[The White Hunter]

I am surrently playing through Metro 2033, and it is not what I expected at all. That's not to say that I do not enjoy it, but I was expecting a more open world as well.

I also HATE checkpoint save systems. They are the reason why I HATE consoles. They are used because of the limitations placed on consoles and the developers never bother to streamline for PC! PCs have ridiculous amounts of hard drive space! Let me use it dammit!

I wish my PS3 would let me use my 320GB of hard drive space for more than fucking updates and let me save whenever I want. Save states are my friend, I need to invest some cash in my PC now that I have some cash flow again.

I suppose I should be fair and not place so much blame on the platform when there is equal blame to be spread to the devleopers. How the trend of checkpoint save systems caught on, I have no idea. All I know is that I grew up with PC games and consoles, but I later gravitated to the PC when consoles started to advance so rapidly that it became pointless to catch up. That particular system of saving a game did not find its way to PC games until recently, and I HATE it! Having played a lot of console games as well, I see where it comes from. It stems from the fact that many console games untilize the feature, and the developers that port the game just never bother to add anything new. It's just copy + paste to the PC, and that really irks me.

But yes, some friends of mine with PS3s wondered the same thing... Then they went and got X360s.

As for me, I dumped a lot of cash into a PC and I have never looked back.

I don't see the point in a 360 at this point, I don't care about Halo or Gears and otherwise anything I want is on the PS3 or multiformat, also it's a kick-ass DVD player and the only one I own.

I shall be dumping cash on a PC soon, I'm also considering scrapping my uni course and doing computer science instead.

Honestly, I do LIKE autosave. Autosave is good, it prevents fuck ups costing me 3 hours of gameplay because I forgot to save. But if it's the only option available then it's pain.

It could be worse, it could be save points like in JRPG's, a trope of the genre I despise. Except Pokemon, that got it right waaaaay back in the first gen...

 

[Easton Dark]

Alright, so. I bought this...thing...in the last Steam Sale. I bought it because of YOU GUYS. Over and over on these forums, I saw you bigging it up. "Oh, la la la la la, Metro 2033, I loves it I loves it, best game since STALKER, post nuclear fans rejoice, la la la la la." FALSE ADVERTISING, says I!

I saw this, and my brain immediately thought:

This could easily be applied to BORDERLANDS.


I played WoW for almost 4 years, and I've played Diablo II. I'm perfectly fine with stats on loot. So don't say that's why Borderlands sucks. It's because it SUCKS!

Spoiler: Just thinking about it makes me...

GOD DAMNIT I HATE BORDERLANDS! FUCK!

Spoiler: BorderRant

I also bought Border-fucking-lands on the Steam sale. Game of the year edition for $7. Even so, I was enraged that I even spent $7 on it. I'm still mad about it! That's ridiculous!

I also bought Sakura Samurai on the 3DS shop for $7. Probably had an hour and a half of playtime altogether. I still felt like that was a better investment of my money than Borderlands. I played Borderlands for 5 hours before I was so enraged with the absolute shittiness of the game I straight-up uninstalled it. I didn't want my hard drive being corrupted with the stank of Borderlands.

I pre-ordered vanilla borderlands for $50.

Weep for me.

 

[Dark Prophet]

It's a very nice game looks fucking awesome on PC and once you get familiar with mechanics it's also pretty easy. Played it once on normal died a lot did another round on the hardest right after died only a hand full of times, one or two stealth parts are difficult if you don't have patience and of course the exploding bubble part.

 

[Dark Prophet]

I would never recommend Metro 2033 to anyone. Honestly whoever it was who came up with the ammo=currency thing is obviously not playing with a full deck. "Oh shit I ran out of ammo while fighting the mutant-things, got to go buy more. ...oh wait I can't because I ran out of ammo while fighting the mutant-things."

Right, that's the point you need to conserve the military grade ammo and use it only if absolutely necessary, I've heard that before but can't understand how people run out of ammo, I had something like 100+ military grade bullets left in the end even playing on the hardest setting.

 

[Zhukov]

Eh, I found it alright. My mind was hardly blown, but I enjoyed it enough to go back for a second helping some months later.

Don't remember the checkpoints annoying me.

I do remember the controls being a bit iffy. Got used to it without much trouble.

Never had a problem with difficulty except at a couple of points later on.

 

[Bertylicious]

I thought it was good with the exception of running out of air filters at the end of that Goddamned libary. Why can't you buy fresh filters at the next safe zone? Why? Total bullshit.

 

[Bertylicious]

Alright, so. I bought this...thing...in the last Steam Sale. I bought it because of YOU GUYS. Over and over on these forums, I saw you bigging it up. "Oh, la la la la la, Metro 2033, I loves it I loves it, best game since STALKER, post nuclear fans rejoice, la la la la la." FALSE ADVERTISING, says I!

I saw this, and my brain immediately thought:

This could easily be applied to BORDERLANDS.


I played WoW for almost 4 years, and I've played Diablo II. I'm perfectly fine with stats on loot. So don't say that's why Borderlands sucks. It's because it SUCKS!

Spoiler: Just thinking about it makes me...

GOD DAMNIT I HATE BORDERLANDS! FUCK!

Spoiler: BorderRant

I also bought Border-fucking-lands on the Steam sale. Game of the year edition for $7. Even so, I was enraged that I even spent $7 on it. I'm still mad about it! That's ridiculous!

I also bought Sakura Samurai on the 3DS shop for $7. Probably had an hour and a half of playtime altogether. I still felt like that was a better investment of my money than Borderlands. I played Borderlands for 5 hours before I was so enraged with the absolute shittiness of the game I straight-up uninstalled it. I didn't want my hard drive being corrupted with the stank of Borderlands.

I pre-ordered vanilla borderlands for $50.

Weep for me.

What are you on about? Borderlands was the bomb. Hours and hours of putting bullets in the gun with your friends.

 

[loc978]

I had issues with that game at first, but with a couple of .ini tweaks I got rid of the ridiculous aim acceleration and widened the FOV. Silly console port defaults, anyway. After that it was a nicely atmospheric game, though quite bland in its mechanics. A little short, too... but I couldn't complain for five bucks, really.

 

[not_you]

Hey, it's not your cup of tea... That's fine...
I don't know why people keep saying that "you're wrong" or "it's shit"

L2 understand opinions... not everyone will like the same shit...

OT: It does have a steep difficulty curve, and it is a bit touchy with the controls, but, once I got it down, I couldn't leave the game... I found it immersive, quite well built.. and Visually stunning...

But once I got into the game, I just couldn't leave it...

Which is probably why I played it through many, many times...

 

[tsb247]

To play devils advocate, it can ruin pacing and difficulty if you can just save after every hard bit and go back to that save after you die.

Yes and no. It depends on whether or not the player chooses to use that feature. I'm not 100% against the autosave feature. However, I would rather be given the choice. If a player doesn't choose to use that tactic, then nothing is easier and the pace isn't broken.

The same can be said when the player dies and has to go all the way back to a checkpoint before a segment of particularly gruelling gameplay or when the checkpoint saves when the player is near dead and almost out of ammo. That just kills the fun!