I have a question for vegans.

[Evil Smurf]

I can understand not using animal products for religious, environmental and cruelty reasons. However the one thing I don't get is this: What if you kept chickens and treated them right, fed them and made them free range etc. Could you then collect, and use the eggs knowing that you had not abused the chickens into laying them?

If you had animals, and treated them without abuse or hormones could you then harvest their products? Milk for example comes naturally to cows.

I am not looking to flame or troll, so please don't any of you.

 

[MajorTomServo]

I'm only vegetarian, not vegan, but the reason I don't eat organic, free-range, grass-fed meat is because I feel like I sound like less of a douche when I say "I don't eat meat" vs "I only eat organic, free-range, grass-fed meat."

Maybe that's why. Or because organic milk and eggs are expensive. Or they really just don't have a taste for them.

 

[Rawne1980]

Milk for example comes naturally to cows.

I heard someone tried milking a cow with horns once.....

Sources say the horned cows milk didn't cum ... sorry ... come, all that naturally.

 

[Professor Lupin Madblood]

I can understand not using animal products for religious, environmental and cruelty reasons.

However the one thing I don't get is this: What if you kept chickens and treated them right, fed them and made them free range etc. Could you then collect, and use the eggs knowing that you had not abused the chickens into laying them?

. . . Well, that solves the cruelty reason. You kind of answered your own question in that regard.

I mean, I'm only pescetarian (vegetarian diet + fish), but I don't have any problem with that. I always make a point to buy free range eggs[footnote]Not to be confused with free roam eggs, which still allow the hens to be treated cruelly.[/footnote] when possible.

If you had animals, and treated them without abuse or hormones could you then harvest their products? Milk for example comes naturally to cows.

Not that this is terribly relevant, but milk only comes naturally to cows after they've given birth, and only for two years. It's inhumane to leave a cow without milk, but it's equally inhumane to induce a cow to produce milk.

. . . not completely sure where I was going with that. Just wanted to clear a point, I guess.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I can understand not using animal products for religious, environmental and cruelty reasons.

However the one thing I don't get is this: What if you kept chickens and treated them right, fed them and made them free range etc. Could you then collect, and use the eggs knowing that you had not abused the chickens into laying them?

. . . Well, that solves the cruelty reason. You kind of answered your own question in that regard.

I mean, I'm only pescetarian (vegetarian diet + fish), but I don't have any problem with that. I always make a point to buy free range eggs[footnote]Not to be confused with free roam eggs, which still allow the hens to be treated cruelly.[/footnote] when possible.

If you had animals, and treated them without abuse or hormones could you then harvest their products? Milk for example comes naturally to cows.

Not that this is terribly relevant, but milk only comes naturally to cows after they've given birth, and only for two years. It's inhumane to leave a cow without milk, but it's equally inhumane to induce a cow to produce milk.

. . . not completely sure where I was going with that. Just wanted to clear a point, I guess.

thanks for the incite.

 

[thesilentman]

I can understand not using animal products for religious, environmental and cruelty reasons. However the one thing I don't get is this: What if you kept chickens and treated them right, fed them and made them free range etc. Could you then collect, and use the eggs knowing that you had not abused the chickens into laying them?

If you had animals, and treated them without abuse or hormones could you then harvest their products? Milk for example comes naturally to cows.

I am not looking to flame or troll, so please don't any of you.

I'm not a pure vegan, so I don't know. I am vegetarian, however, and I see no issue in it. After all, I avoid anything that comes from an animal, not some inane rules that make my head hurt. Exactly what can't vegans eat again...?

 

[Evil Smurf]

Exactly what can't vegans eat again?

Animal products like meat, jelly, ice cream, leather, glue, chocolate. The good stuff.

 

[thesilentman]

Exactly what can't vegans eat again?

Animal products like meat, jelly, ice cream, leather, glue, chocolate. The good stuff.

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

 

[Evil Smurf]

Exactly what can't vegans eat again?

Animal products like meat, jelly, ice cream, leather, glue, chocolate. The good stuff.

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

 

[FrozenCones]

Exactly what can't vegans eat again?

Animal products like meat, jelly, ice cream, leather, glue, chocolate. The good stuff.

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

Incoming 50 Shades of grey area.

I suppose since neither yeast or bacteria are animals it wouldn't matter.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I suppose since neither yeast or bacteria are animals it wouldn't matter.

good save.

 

[Zen Toombs]

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

They're small so they don't count.

OT: As you started to imply, it depends upon the reason for veganism. There's also that after you stop eating meat and other animal products for a while, it can sometimes stop tasting good.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

They're small so they don't count.

OT: As you started to imply, it depends upon the reason for veganism. There's also that after you stop eating meat and other animal products for a while, it can sometimes stop tasting good.

I had no idea you lose the taste for meat!

 

[SSJBlastoise]

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

They're small so they don't count.

OT: As you started to imply, it depends upon the reason for veganism. There's also that after you stop eating meat and other animal products for a while, it can sometimes stop tasting good.

I had no idea you lose the taste for meat!

I'm not sure if it's just the taste but I read about some people saying that they tried meat after being vegetarian or vegan for years and they felt sick because their bodies weren't use to it after such a long time.

 

[dmase]

Some people say they do it for health reasons, that it's not natural for humans to eat any animal products, and it's better for the environment.

http://www.veganwolf.com/reasons_to_be_vegan.htm

Health reasons are bogus, eating more vegetables to cope with the lack of other energy can cause an excess of nutrients which can cause long term problems. And the protein content of the food isn't sufficient or varied enough for our body. Is Veganism more healthy than your average persons diet, definitely, is it healthier then a balanced lifestyle with meat, eggs, and cheese? No. There diets also much be strictly maintained file behind a little here and there and your asking for a trip to the hospital. Also if everyone where vegan we wouldn't have the resources to ensure everyone got the high protein food stuff vegans use.

Second reason, humans are built as omnivores, fact, if we where herbivores our eyes would be on the sides of our heads.

Third reason... they kind of have that one on the money. If we didn't have to raise livestock, chickens, or fish and process all the included products we could probably take away a quarter of our CO2 emissions. And with all the plants we'd have we have more Co2 sinks.(not enough to negate our carbon emissions mind you) Of course all the formerly domesticated animals would die very very quickly, we'd see a sharp increase in wolf, bear, and vulture populations throughout the world if we all switched to vegan.

Overall though I like my meat and while in a perfect world we would all be vegan we don't live in a perfect world. Now you can pry this steak out of my cold dead hands.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

I'm not as strict as vegans. For me, it's no animal products, but anything that's from a milk product is perfectly fine. A simpler way to state this is, "if something died, not eating it." Eggs are a bit of a gray area in this regard...

yeast is alive, and so is the bacteria in yoghurt. What about them?

They're small so they don't count.

OT: As you started to imply, it depends upon the reason for veganism. There's also that after you stop eating meat and other animal products for a while, it can sometimes stop tasting good.

I had no idea you lose the taste for meat!

I'm not sure if it's just the taste but I read about some people saying that they tried meat after being vegetarian or vegan for years and they felt sick because their bodies weren't use to it after such a long time.

That's pretty much purely for psychological reasons, conditioning and pathological levels of guilt tripping. It's just a hypothesis of mine and research is still in progress.

What I can tell you is this: Most vegans I've arsed into eating meat/chicken/whatever absolutely like the taste and texture of animal products, it's just that their substitute religion makes them save the world by being so considerate and worried about CO2 emissions and other crap the current cult of global warming climate change are using to play God. Shit hasn't gone any warmer since 1998, and you will find that most alarmists that are worth their enlightened weight in dead Goebbelses have meanwhile adopted the term 'climate change'. Thing is, climate's been changing forever, Earth doesn't give much of a damn about us. It just keeps doing its thing. Besides, it's about time for another ice age, I'm getting fed up with this sunshine/rain binarity of it all.

Same goes for jews eating baby animals enhanced by the milk of their mothers or muslims eating pork and shellfish infused with alcohol; they love it, it's just that their cult messes with their heads.

 

[Stasisesque]

Well, eating eggs would be the same to vegans as an abortion but i don't see a problem with drinking milk.

I would suggest most supermarket eggs are more akin to periods than abortions as very, very few of them will be fertilised (if any at all). It's only when you buy eggs from independent shops or farms that you run any great risk of eating an unborn baby chicken.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Personally, I think veganism is hypocritical, considering how many day to day products uses resources from animals.

Computers, vehicle tires, fabric softeners etc. It would be pretty damn difficult to live a modern life that doesn't include using something made with animal parts.

Very difficult, but still hypocritical.