I have an idea that could limit school shootings

[guitarsniper]

Ok some people have made very good points. So have have a second more simple idea that I am sure has been thought of.

Why cant we have at least one trained and ballistic armored security person in each school to take out shooters going on rampages in schools? It would provide people with some jobs and a trained professional would do well against the average young shooter.

We already have trouble employing veterans in the US, something that we as a country should fix (though it is, understandably, on the back burner). This seems like it'd be a good step towards helping with both problems.

 

[Ryotknife]

Improve society? that's quite an undertaking.

meh, its happening gradually over time as it is.

There is less religious, racial, and sexual orientation tension than a few decades ago. Not a lot less, just a little bit.

I mean, it wasnt too long ago that Protestants and Catholics were killing/beating each other in the streets. Now there is basically no tension between the two here.

It will still take a long long LONG time for those areas to reach a somewhat acceptable area, but it should happen regardless (unless a major setback occurs). If we can get out economy on track and if republicans and democrats can actually get along with each other and not blame one another for all of the evils in the world, we should be in better shape.

 

[Zeldias]

EDIT: I have come up with a second proposal as my initial one seems to be very flawed. Please scroll down to read it.

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

Or we in America could understand that the 2nd amendment was created in a time where folks couldn't even imagine a spewer of death like the semi-automatic rifle, accept that the Constitution is a living document, and limit the amount of deadly powerful weapons that are available.

 

[Pinkamena]

Can't people just start wearing kevlar suits to school?

 

[Strazdas]

So instead of not giving shooter a gun you suggest either detecting the gun (which would be too late) or having him fought with even more guns. yay for backwards thinking.

 

[Starik20X6]

Or do like we in Finland.
Don't sell guns to everyone, do background checks etc.
Because that has proven to work just fine -.-

We don't take kindly to logic or reason 'round these parts, boy.

I honestly don't understand why this is apparently not an option in this debate. Everyone seems to fall into the extremist categories of "everyone should own all of the guns" or "no guns for anyone". Surely you can restrict the access to guns without cutting them off completely.

Really though, I can understand why someone might want a handgun for protection (even if I think you're incredibly paranoid for it), but as for pretty much anything else? You don't need it. No civilian needs access to an assault rifle. If you're a farmer you can have some kind of shotgun to protect your property from wild animals, but that's it. Just... Stop it.

 

[The_R3d_Fury]

Maybe have guns that are sensitive to emotion, so when someone is striken with crazy, they wont fire.

For example when you buy a gun you do a background check and present a baseline biofeed back signature. That signature is embedded in the gun. If certain "tells" are present, that is extreme deviations from your norm, the gun wont fire.

I'm sure there are problems with this, but maybe it can be refined.

What if a guy uses it do defend himself when he's scared?

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Stop dancing around this America, get over your 200 year old parchment of rules and ban guns for civilian usage.

 

[sunder202]

Instead of trying to fix the guns, how about we try to focus on fixing the mentally ill shooters. Some sort of mental health program to at very least identify people prone to this kind of behavior would do more good than slapping a gps on every gun.

 

[Friendly Lich]

So instead of not giving shooter a gun you suggest either detecting the gun (which would be too late) or having him fought with even more guns. yay for backwards thinking.

Your argument is too vague and also rude.

 

[Friendly Lich]

EDIT: I have come up with a second proposal as my initial one seems to be very flawed. Please scroll down to read it.

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

wireless signals can be easily blocked by covering the device with tin foil..

plus if the shooter and his mother were criminals, you only make the black market for non tracable weapons(like it is already now) more attractive.

its not a bad idea but i doubt that schools and other institutions would have the money to implement such a comlex system in their buildings.

and you are screwed when a shooter uses the gun of his dad, who happens to be a police officer and i am sure that there will be some exceptions in the system for official forces.

I have guides for C1 plastic explosives, chloroform, cluster bomb, incendiary grenade, Molotov cocktails, napalm, pipe grenade, ricin (some kind of deadly poison), 12 gauge shotgun (as in, how to make one), smoke grenade, and thermite.

are you talking of the "anarchist cookbook" which 1/3 of its content doesnt work properly and caused some dickheads to blow themselves up?

Why cant we have at least one trained and ballistic armored security personnel in each school to take out shooters going on rampages in schools? It would provide people with some jobs and a trained professional would do well against the average young shooter.

so the world needs a gunman that cant be taken out instantly?

i think automated turrets would be better than a guy who is armed to the teeth to prevent shooters.
but that only would fit in detroid. in a far future....

I've pretty much abandoned the device idea people have made good points as to why its impractical. But as for the trained security person they would only have one gun with a one of those laser pointer thingy for optimal accuracy. They would also have a bullet proof vest. As to what gun they should use, I'm not sure what would be best for the situation.

 

[Dwarfman]

I got a great idea that would limit shootings in schools. Fuck off all the guns! Problem not solved, however problem certainly limited.

 

[beniki]

EDIT: I have come up with a second proposal as my initial one seems to be very flawed. Please scroll down to read it.

New Idea: One trained security person in each school with bullet proof vest. Possibly a veteran as they have trouble finding jobs and their war experience could give them an edge over the less experienced shooter. Laser point sight on the gun for maximum accuracy, but I don't know exactly what gun would be best for the situation; defiantly not an automatic though as less bullets in the air would be ideal.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

To be honest, I prefer your gun chipping idea, so long as it went hand-in-hand with closer gun regulation. It'd at least discourage the use of firearms, and would put a large portion of the cost of maintaining it on the manufacturers and owners, rather than the tax payer.

Obviously they'd need a database to track the ownership of the weapons, but I think serial numbers and the like already exist.

Not perfect, as someone determined enough will always find a way around, but given the choice between a difficult to obtain assault rifle and an easy kitchen knife, hopefully more people would go for the kitchen knife. Or rather, not to do it at all.

But to be honest, the first step would be enquiring why a young man needs to have an automatic weapon and a few hundred rounds. I remember when I was in my shooting team it was a big deal just getting 5 rounds from the armourer...

 

[Strazdas]

So instead of not giving shooter a gun you suggest either detecting the gun (which would be too late) or having him fought with even more guns. yay for backwards thinking.

Your argument is too vague and also rude.

what part of "not giving shooter a gun" you did not understand?

 

[Kenkurogue]

Ok some people have made very good points. So have have a second more simple idea that I am sure has been thought of.

Why cant we have at least one trained and ballistic armored security person in each school to take out shooters going on rampages in schools? It would provide people with some jobs and a trained professional would do well against the average young shooter.

There was a post I saw on 4chan about this. I don't know how to work images on these forums, so I'll just quote it.

Yes, because instead of being responsible and looking at restricting gun ownership we should be taking steps to enable our teachers to be armed with Glocks and possibly have an AR over their shoulder. I've always thought a better solution to gun control is simply to have the teachers engage the shooter in a firefight in the classroom.

Maybe the teacher should have a pillbox of sorts with just a microphone to speak to students and a few holes for shooting out of.

The issue was arming teachers rather than having guards, the the point still stands. Increasing the number of guns and bullets in the air will not make children safe, weirdly enough.

In terms of prevention, authority is not the answer. Any first-year psychology student could tell you that someone acting from their id (the impulsive part of the mind, responsible for ideas such as "I'll shoot up the school, that'll teach those fuckers") does not react well to authority/ideas from the superego (the elevated part of the mind).

Like, you ever do something dumb and impulsive, and when your parents/teacher lecture about it, you get defensive, even if you know it was dumb and impulsive? And then you'll start mouthing off, or just being defiant for the sake of being defiant? It's that feeling, but it would be told to you every single day by people with guns. Not a good way to encourage co-operation and trust.

The best solution is, will continue to be, and always has been to both limit and enforce gun control and to reform and improve society so that the factors that lead to school shootings (mental health, cultural values, interactions with peers, etc.) are reduced. You need to treat the disease, not the symptom.

Ok . Even though I had jokingly thought about arming the teachers, I agree that would be a bad idea. More gun controllable is also a bad idea. Do you honestly think that a person that has no problem shooting a bunch of other people is going give a crap ifit is illegal for him to own the gun. There will always be a small percent of people that are crazy and a small percent of those that will turn to violence. What happened in that school was awful but if you think there is some way to completely prevent these kind of incidents from occurring then you may be a little delusional. I agree abouttreating the source of the problem as the best way to combat the problem.

 

[Bealzibob]

I would suggest (though I'm mildly scared that you might bring the, what i am assuming is real and not just movie tropes, jock/prep hierarchy over with you) having all your schools in Australia since we don't really seem to have this problem.

But seriously having an armed guard in classrooms is fucking nuts and speaks volumes of how your society has gotten to this point in the first place if anyone takes it seriously.