These two videos are just as relevent today as they were in the '90s;
Society has yet to evolve.
I have had it with this.
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It reminds me of McCarthyism for some reason (not that I was around for that obviously), I was so surprised that people even managed to whip something as obscure as a like on a facebook page into what can only be defined as a royal shitstorm, the kind that picks up cows and girls from Kansas, and drops them in poop. Easy access to a gun makes it so much easier for this kind of thing to happen, although I know many people use guns for leisure, hunting or whatever, so I'm not suggesting they be banned. It really doesn't affect me as I'm not American, but I can certainly see the need to restrict who can get their hands on a gun.
As I said a massacre of this scale would be impossible without guns, regardless of how violent the games were
As I said a massacre of this scale would be impossible without guns, regardless of how violent the games were
They ignore these because there's nothing they can do about it. If somebody wanted a gun, they would find a way to get it with enough effort. It'd be like how Prohibition went along, only with more dangerous people and less awesome gangsters. There's nothing they can do about video games either, unless they can ban internet as well, but it's new and it's following isn't as crazy, despite how they want us to look.Doclector said:
All opinions form by the (mainly) right Americans are undone by the fact that when Australia got tight on gun control, we haven't had a gun massacre since. They have a limited range of household uses, but still better than getting martial arts lessons.
*Pours and hands you a glass of champagne*Rawne1980 said:
Welcome, brother. We've been expecting you.
OT: Look, that's the trouble with this world. People many times ignore certain facts because it doesn't fit their answers or frame of reference. Let's take that Oh-So-Over-Talked-About attack on the World Trade Center. Where did we go after that? Iraq. Did ANYTHING that happened on that day have to do with Iraq or was anyone connected with anyone responssible in Iraq? NO. Did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction? NO. Did they ever have even aspirations of doing something similar to the US? NO. We skuttled a country for our own purposes.
And the reason for that line of thinking is that this...is a post-modernistic world. Post-modernism is where you have a fictional thing, a fake or farce, and you start making it real, like how we have technology that is based upon and sometimes EXCEEDS technology from Star Trek. So naturally, people in this case don't want to think logically. They want to create the facts to fit their view. It's very dangerous.
It's in the news media's best interest to attack other forms of media.
So this will always be a thing until news channels and papers are wiped out, move to online formats completely, or make themselves the only non-destructive form of media in existence that everyone listens to.
They will not focus on the real problems. They will focus on the stuff that will get people to consume more of what they produce.
So this will always be a thing until news channels and papers are wiped out, move to online formats completely, or make themselves the only non-destructive form of media in existence that everyone listens to.
They will not focus on the real problems. They will focus on the stuff that will get people to consume more of what they produce.
It is human nature to seek culpability in a time of tragedy...
Presumably because it sells well with certain demographics and it's easy to get away with. Though I would like to see the soulless demonic hoardes that make up the EA and Activision legal teams stir from their oblivion pits to slap something on them. Though I'm not even sure that they're combined power is any match for the chitinous hellhoarde Fox probably has stashed in it's legal office.
Presumably because it sells well with certain demographics and it's easy to get away with. Though I would like to see the soulless demonic hoardes that make up the EA and Activision legal teams stir from their oblivion pits to slap something on them. Though I'm not even sure that they're combined power is any match for the chitinous hellhoarde Fox probably has stashed in it's legal office.
People always want to be able to explain the things they are afraid of. It's human nature to want to know why something occurred, and many people will transpose their existing prejudices and views into the matrix of events, seize on something which supports their understanding, and go with that. In some cases, I daresay people pick the easy targets - after all, if you say it's about gun access, you run into a Second Amendment-toting wall; if you blame mental illness, you risk blaming a section of the community which needs help and understanding more than anything (and potentially draw attention to the lack of support provided for mental health services).
All in all - picking a target for blame is easy, self-affirming, possibly helps you to advance a political agenda, can be discarded for tomorrow's report, and sells copy. It's typically the ignorant who are the most certain about such things.
Getting into it in more depth...
Re: mental health - Mental health is frequently poorly-understood and poorly-supported, and I'm no expert on why that is or remains the case other than suggesting a general unease about the concept of something going wrong in a person's brain. It's sometimes hard to treat, it's often hard to deal with, and it's not like a physical injury where it can be viewed, assessed and checked, and there is little risk of any consequence to the people around the person in need of help. For many people, I suspect it's just too hard - and there's also the issue of demonising mental health issues, mental illness or psychiatric conditions if it's done without care.
Re: firearms - It'd be easy to blame particularly militant approach to the Second Amendment (without consideration of what the "right to bear arms" actually means in practice, particularly in suburban living and outside of a well-regulated militia) and the NRA. There may be some aspect of the American psyche, in some places, which equates firearms possession with independence and freedom. For whatever reason, there are lots of them, they are reasonably easy to obtain, they are probably the most effective force multiplier a single person can have, and it's political suicide even to suggest reducing access to weapons which no civilian could ever actually need. However, I don't see how the Second Amendment taken as a whole should protect an unfettered right to any and all firearms, and such an interpretation has (in my opinion) substantially contributed to the frequency and severity of mass killings with guns in the US.
All in all - picking a target for blame is easy, self-affirming, possibly helps you to advance a political agenda, can be discarded for tomorrow's report, and sells copy. It's typically the ignorant who are the most certain about such things.
Getting into it in more depth...
Re: mental health - Mental health is frequently poorly-understood and poorly-supported, and I'm no expert on why that is or remains the case other than suggesting a general unease about the concept of something going wrong in a person's brain. It's sometimes hard to treat, it's often hard to deal with, and it's not like a physical injury where it can be viewed, assessed and checked, and there is little risk of any consequence to the people around the person in need of help. For many people, I suspect it's just too hard - and there's also the issue of demonising mental health issues, mental illness or psychiatric conditions if it's done without care.
Re: firearms - It'd be easy to blame particularly militant approach to the Second Amendment (without consideration of what the "right to bear arms" actually means in practice, particularly in suburban living and outside of a well-regulated militia) and the NRA. There may be some aspect of the American psyche, in some places, which equates firearms possession with independence and freedom. For whatever reason, there are lots of them, they are reasonably easy to obtain, they are probably the most effective force multiplier a single person can have, and it's political suicide even to suggest reducing access to weapons which no civilian could ever actually need. However, I don't see how the Second Amendment taken as a whole should protect an unfettered right to any and all firearms, and such an interpretation has (in my opinion) substantially contributed to the frequency and severity of mass killings with guns in the US.
Because people actually believe shit like this (apart from the very quick message at the end):
Guns are such an integral part of America that people choose to ignore the obvious problems they cause.
Guns are such an integral part of America that people choose to ignore the obvious problems they cause.
technically we went into Afghanistan first, then Iraq. While the reasons we went into Iraq were bogus, Saddam was a very large threat to....pretty much the entire world. The man was a loose cannon. That said, he was more useful alive to the US than dead as he kept Iran worried. But yea, plenty of reasons not to invade Iraq. This one felt like a personal vendetta. That said, i wont shed a single tear for Saddam.FalloutJack said:
granted, I usually keep these opinions to myself as quite a few family members went to Iraq. The LAST thing you want to do is to bring up crap about the war in Iraq to vets.
As for the original topic at hand, Media blames damn near EVERYTHING on video games if there is one to be found within 20 miles of an incident. Just like they blamed rock and roll and violent movies decades ago.
Why are we shifting the blame onto inanimate objects again?
I'm a bit confused. A firearm is as much an accomplice to a murder as a car is to a speeding ticket.
Solution to speeding problem = ban all cars?
I'm a bit confused. A firearm is as much an accomplice to a murder as a car is to a speeding ticket.
Solution to speeding problem = ban all cars?
You need to pare your list down one more: Untreated mental problems. Guns had nothing to do with it.Doclector said:
The faulty wiring is to blame. Not the video games, not the guns, not the clothes, and not random variable 213. This person was batshit crazy and he wanted to get some killing done. Video games are played by millions of others without issues, so probably not the problem. Guns, while one was used in the killing, he could have used a bomb or poison just as easily with the same results, so once again probably not the problem. Clothes, come on do I even have to validate this one? Random Variable 213, the fact of the matter is the guy was crazy. This is why he decided to kill someone, this is why he was able to bypass fear of repercussion and moral override. Stop fixing shit that isn't broken and fix the problem.
Start having mandatory psych evaluations for people known to be mentally unstable (and criminals). Increase gun control (not gun bans). Ensure that every gun owner has a psych evaluation and has proper storage facilities that lock. Ensure that every gun sold comes with a trigger lock.
Start having mandatory psych evaluations for people known to be mentally unstable (and criminals). Increase gun control (not gun bans). Ensure that every gun owner has a psych evaluation and has proper storage facilities that lock. Ensure that every gun sold comes with a trigger lock.