I have never raged/facepalmed so hard in my life
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I hate it when stuff boles down to a definition war but. . . No definition of Stereotype says it's the majority's opinion, just that it's a widely held oversimplified opinion of things. Without a poll or something saying "Most people" and "most associated" is inaccurate.krazykidd said:
If you just meant it was a stereotype fine lets end this here. But the thing I had issue with was that a stereotype is not a majority opinion. And well it is stereotyping to say to say a stereotype is a majority opinion.
Maybe it was my bad for taking what you said out of context or maybe we just weren't on the same page. But if you just meant it was a stereotype, Ok. But I thought you meant "it's what most people thought." Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear on that. Anyway glad that was cleared up, I am going to bead it's 6 am here.
Without Rock and Metal, Hip Hop and R&B wouldn't exist, and by extension, neither would rap.
The first (popular) hip hop and rap tracks were performed over the drum beat of a rock song, can't remember which one, but it might have been Led Zeppelin.
I'm also going to go back to paraphrasing something Dara O'Brien (comedian) said. If you don't like those sounds, don't listen to them, and you can't tell other people, that they like listening to the wrong noises, and that they should listen to these noises instead, because it's just stupid.
The first (popular) hip hop and rap tracks were performed over the drum beat of a rock song, can't remember which one, but it might have been Led Zeppelin.
I'm also going to go back to paraphrasing something Dara O'Brien (comedian) said. If you don't like those sounds, don't listen to them, and you can't tell other people, that they like listening to the wrong noises, and that they should listen to these noises instead, because it's just stupid.
This is like watching Fox news and being pissed of that they're a bunch of trolls (or the other news networks in America and being surprised they're no longer journalists).
Let it go.
Let it go.
Opinions are opinions, if I think all of the rock is talentless crap(which I don't read my post) that's what I think. I hate this 'logic' people attempt to sell me that if I dismiss an entire genre I must be ignorant of it, what if I legitimately hated it? what if I possessed the same level of knowledge as you but *SHOCK HORROR* came to a different conclusion about it?Sunrider84 said:
I don't mind you hating it. I'm glad there are different sorts of music, I don't want to share the kind of music I listen to with everyone in the world. That's not my problem. My problem is writing it off as "talentless". Sure, there are talentless hacks in rock/metal, as in any other genre, but saying it's "on the whole" correct to call it talentless makes you look ignorant and, as I said, uneducated on the subject.Olikar said:
If you dismiss an entire genre because you don't like it is fine too, I do the same. I don't go as far as calling most musicians in said genre talentless, or that their music has no meaning.
If you cannot understand the difference between these two statements, I won't bother replying to you anymore.
They're right; all guitarists like Petrucci or Vai ever did was "strum a few chords really loud for no reason".
Different strokes and all that, but I fail to see how someone can claim hip hop beats require more talent than a rock or metal song. I appreciate you may prefer hip hop to metal, and that some metal is utter crap, but that's just simply not true.
Different strokes and all that, but I fail to see how someone can claim hip hop beats require more talent than a rock or metal song. I appreciate you may prefer hip hop to metal, and that some metal is utter crap, but that's just simply not true.
Except that's not most metal, and the power chord criticism is usually one levelled by metalheads at punk rock. Oops, you didn't know what you were talking about. Suprise! The guy who agreed with the stupid kids who were talking out of their asses because either 1) They're really that dumb. or 2) They're trolling. Doesn't know what he's talking about.Olikar said:
Whiny shitty vocals? Generally not associated with Metal. Some exceptions, but that's certainly not the overview. With offshoots of punk? Yeah, sure. Pop punk gave us lots of those, and the emo stuff that was big a while ago. Metal usually avoids lyrics about personal things, so whiny is out the door. Fantasy, satanic imagery, and shock content are more in line with their work.
Power chords in basic progressions? What? Metal usually is on the more complex end of the scale. If you'd call that basic, sorry, guitar just is basic and easy.
And while power chords may be easier than other chords, the difficulty argument is absurd anyway. For the listener, what matters most is how it sounds. A good sound can be accomplished with a variety of techniques, and if yours are simpler, so be it. Complexity isn't objectively better. It's an objective scale, so fools staple it to their argument so that they can say that they've got an objective scale for determining what amounts to personal preference. If you're aiming at critiquing the style, to rate the ability of the guitarist, whatever. But that's not how everyone enjoys music, that's how you judge whether you want the guy to join your group of Speedmetal/Mathcore addicts.
Whether you like a genre or not, you should be able to acknowledge the talent and effort that goes towards it, or at the very least avoid insinuating a lack of it. It's no picnic to learn guitar, or any instrument, even less so to learn enough of the theory to be able to compose anything worth listening to, and perform with others, and even if you do it all with power chords, it's still something that's going to be beyond most of those listening.
