I have never raged/facepalmed so hard in my life

[ScrabbitRabbit]

Yeah i know not all metal music has screaming . But it's what is most associated to that perticular type of music unfortunately . Like rap, people assume all rap music is about bitches and hoes and saying n***a a lot . Hell my favorite rapper is Eminem and he doesn't use the word n***a at all ! [small] Mostly because he can't due to being white , but that's a minor detail[/small]

Yeah, that stereotype about rap annoys me, too. Some of my favourite lyricists are rappers. Hell, good rap HAS to have good lyrics, it's the whole point!

I'm sorry but I take issue with this. Why? Almost all the iconic metal bands that most people know don't do that. I.E Megadeath, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath. Also I don't know what is "popular" right now but I think "Disturbed" is, or the last time I checked, and the lead singer doesn't scream.

I could understand if a Vocal minority was like that, but it's not. The majority of Metal bands, and the majority of well-known Metal bands don't do that.

I dunno, a LOT of people associate metal with screaming and it's largely because the most well known modern metal bands do primarily scream :[. I've had someone try to convince me that Iron Maiden weren't metal primarily BECAUSE they have a singer, not a screamer. That annoyed me.

I don't think Disturbed are all that big anymore. All the metal kids in my college are listening to Lamb of God or Whitechapel or whatever. All of their bands scream, too. I know it won't be like this everywhere, this is just my area and my college.

[small][elitism]They could at least listen to GOOD harsh vocal-led metal like Autopsy or Death, I mean, GAWD.[/elistm][/small]

I'm guessing a lot of older folk don't associate metal with screaming the same way, though.

 

[Lyri]

Okay so I just saw

Spoiler: this

video of these two kids explaining why metal/rock music is talentless crap that's too loud and doesn't have any meaning to it. I have never been so annoyed by something in my life.

They saw that all you need to for metal or rock is just know how to strum a guitar while rap takes talent to rhyme?????

Anyway, what do you guys think of this? I mean I do like some rap artists but i am a metalhead and rocker true and true. Also as a guitar/bass player it is not easy to just "strum" a guitar and sound good.

Have you ever known people to have difference of opinion before?

 

[Professor Lupin Madblood]

Holy shit, OP. Seriously? Let's go over this:

- These kids can't be more than fourteen years old.
- They recorded this with a shitty camcorder they found at Fischer Price.
- Their voices are raspy as hell.
- The video is them talking aimlessly for ten solid minutes.
- Black people preferring rap to metal shouldn't come as a surprise to you.
- They refer to metal as a disease.

And you fucking took this seriously? In any capacity?

There are two options: either

ITT: the OP is introduced to cultural bias for the first time and doesn't understand.

or OP just made this thread to troll us, and failed spectacularly.

It's a gong show however you look at it.

 

[unoleian]

Learn to be like a duck when it comes to anyone opening their mouth about what they think of certain kinds of music. Let it roll off your back. People have preconceptions about what it takes to make music and everyone acts like they are a bloody expert whose opinion is the be-all end-all when usually they are fully wrong and no amount of rage and facepalming will ever change their thoughts on it. Just ignore them.

 

[Olikar]

Fantasy, satanic imagery, and shock content are more in line with their work.

That sounds pretty whiny and shit to me.

Power chords in basic progressions? What? Metal usually is on the more complex end of the scale. If you'd call that basic, sorry, guitar just is basic and easy.

Metal and rock are mostly built on basic 3 or 4 chord progressions with long guitar runs going up and down several scales, I'd hardly call that complex at all and when you compare the guitar playing from Metal to say Blues or Ragtime guitar it's seems pretty obvious to me that Metal is at the lower end of the complexity scale.

And while power chords may be easier than other chords, the difficulty argument is absurd anyway. For the listener, what matters most is how it sounds. A good sound can be accomplished with a variety of techniques, and if yours are simpler, so be it. Complexity isn't objectively better. It's an objective scale, so fools staple it to their argument so that they can say that they've got an objective scale for determining what amounts to personal preference. If you're aiming at critiquing the style, to rate the ability of the guitarist, whatever. But that's not how everyone enjoys music, that's how you judge whether you want the guy to join your group of Speedmetal/Mathcore addicts.

No I agree, how complex the music is irrelevant to enjoyment, however I wasn't talking about whether people should enjoy it or not was I? I was talking about the talent involved in the music and the complexity of a musical genre is very much relevant to the talent required to play or write it.

Whether you like a genre or not, you should be able to acknowledge the talent and effort that goes towards it...

But at the end of the day I don't feel there is much talent in Rock and Metal, it's all rather simplistic and boring to me.

 

[Lunar Templar]

yeah?

a troll on youtube. there's a lot of those

 

[Smolderin]

Just the phrase "Metal requires no talent" is definitely a cause for a facepalm if the person saying it actually believes it. Other than that it's a troll attempt, be it on purpose or an accident. Metal requires not just one skill, but several...and each of those skills whether it be guitar or drums, takes years to perfect, and while I definitely hold the highest respect for rap music...I know for an absolute fact it takes more work and effort to coherently put together a good metal song. That doesn't make it better, but it makes it ignorant to say that metal doesn't require talent nor hard work.

 

[Arfonious]

*two kids
*bad audio
*bad video
*Really retarded and oppinion based arguments
*The kids are either trolling or very stupid

Move along, nothing too see here

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

But at the end of the day I don't feel there is much talent in Rock and Metal, it's all rather simplistic and boring to me.

It makes a lot of money. And apparently its requires little talent... obvious question why dont you go and make millions doing it? If you value your integrity more than money thats admirable.

It just seems really odd to have such a WIDE hatred. Id never profess to hating something like "Action" in movies. I hate all action in all movies because its all slow motion scripted camera pan shit that is basically a wank fest for the actor. As such all action in all movies is talentless crap. It just feels silly having such a sweeping generalization on something as broad as "Metal and rock" which can encompass SO MANY different things. Just as "Action" can be anything from a slow methodical period accurate sword fight to the flying matrix scenes to the sniper battles in Enemy at the gates. To sweep them all together feels... blunt and lazy. Theres exceptions to all my hatreds. I really dont care for rap but i really like some of 2pacs work.

Sweeping generalizations as a rule tend to be founded on ignorance. "ALL of X is Y" is usually a VERY poorly founded statement because exceptions always exist. Pretty much every time someone says these things its because they have yet to encounter the exceptions or even try to find them. Its why a lot of people cry "Ignorance".

 

[deathzero021]

they're just ignorant kids. at some point in time, most of us have probably said some stupid ignorant things about genre's of music we didn't like when we were kids.

of course they are completely wrong and stupid, but that's to be expected from children. hopefully somebody sets them straight and they can feel like an idiot when they look back on this video when they get older.

Let's not turn this into a Rap vs. Rock topic. It's obvious both require a different type of talent to be GOOD. (notice i use the word good and not "successful" because success does not mean talent)

 

[ZehMadScientist]

The thumbnail of the video was more than enough for me to decide that it's not to be taken seriously. It's just two kids who are biased towards metal/rock and (I assume) have lackluster knowledge of the material they are covering.

And it is YouTube, lest it not be known that it is generally not the greatest source for intelligent commentary.

And even then, it is merely an opinion, albeit a badly supported one. You'll live a happier life if you learn to ignore the trolls, OP ;D

And for the record. I listen to pretty much any genre, as long as it sounds good.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Okay so I just saw why metal/rock music is talentless crap that's too loud and doesn't have any meaning to it..

On the whole that sounds about right.

I really hope you're trolling...

OT: Metal, rock and rap all require talent. Composing something decent in ANY genre of music takes some talent.

 

[Nihlus2]

Music is one of the most subjective things on the planet... to say what is/isn't good is hardly up to one person to dictate. It is a matter of personal preference.

I am not really a fan of metal myself, but then again I universally listen here and there to most genres, it's a give and take. And i don't mind others listening to whatever they want as long as they are not trying to be my personal DJ over the shoulder by tuning that sound up to max.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Well, now. That's familiar...

Yeah, Chuckey. I basically did the exact same thing about a thread in XCOM's Game Hub just yesterday, to be told the exact same thing. And it makes sense, too!

People will always be there to tell you you're crap, or that the kind of music you like is crap, or that your inability to excel at a game, a profession or your lack of a specific talent makes you a subhuman wretch. Why? Because people on the whole are stupid and close-minded. Give them a niche and anything that upsets that niche is met with borderline feral hostility.

So what if these kids hate Metal? Just avoid judging them right back because that wouldn't make you any better, and go blast your ears off with some Burzum or some Cannibal Corpse. I'm partial to "Frantic Disembowelment", myself.

End of story.

 

[GregerFisk]

Can't we all just get along?

I like "Dragonforce" and Azealia Banks the same.

"As I Lay Dying" and Kanye West are about the same quality.

Both genres have their odd ones, like "Attack Attack!" alongside "Die Antwoord".

And both have their abominations, like "Anal C**t", or Soulja Boy.

Why can't we have both?

How can you dislike Anal ****? They are fucking awesome!

 

[Rastien]

I see your rage and raise you this, not 100% but i'm pretty sure the little shit has been quoted saying this...

My face when reading this statement.

Spoiler

 

[lacktheknack]

Can't we all just get along?

I like "Dragonforce" and Azealia Banks the same.

"As I Lay Dying" and Kanye West are about the same quality.

Both genres have their odd ones, like "Attack Attack!" alongside "Die Antwoord".

And both have their abominations, like "Anal C**t", or Soulja Boy.

Why can't we have both?

How can you dislike Anal ****? They are fucking awesome!

They're trolls. The music I've heard is badly mixed, badly written and badly conceived. You can barely understand the vocalist. They exist for the sole purpose to infuriate non-metal fans.

They're abominations.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Why can't we have both?

Because whining like a pretentious prat is the way of the future.