I have serious concerns with how the cast of Ghost in the Shell looks.

[Kolby Jack]

I mean, my god. Hollywood is so fucked up. LOOK AT THIS! [http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/27/14754230/ghost-in-the-shell-character-posters-section-9]

WHERE IS TOGUSA'S MULLET?! HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FUCKING MULLET!!! GOD DAMN IT!!

And last I checked, Ishikawa is supposed to be the OLDEST member of the team, besides the chief of course.

Aw, look at this scruffy little spring daisy! Who is he playing? ... Ishi...kawa...? WHAT?! HE LOOKS MY AGE!!! HIS ACTOR IS 31!!!! AAAAAGH!!!

Well, at least the characters with cybernetic eyes look sort of correct. I mean Borma isn't black in the original, but then the Major isn't white either so eh. Glad they at least got the eyes ri-

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT STUPID TUBE EYE BULLSHIT?!?!?! How hard is it to fuck up a badass cybernetic eyepatch?!

Jesus... well, at the VERY least, the entire traditional team is there. Batou, Togusa, Ishikawa, Borma, Saito, and Paz...

Where's Paz?

... WHO THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?

I know not to judge a movie before I've seen it but fuck that. Between the awful sounding "Major is a super secret government cyborg prototype" horseshit storyline and these awful cast choices, this movie sucks already.

 

[Zhukov]

*shrug*

I don't require an adaption to precisely resemble the source material.

I can live without a mullet or an eyepatch. Although that tube eye does look pretty goofy.

I'll evaluate it on its own merits. Which of course is no guarantee that I'll like it.

 

[Kolby Jack]

*shrug*

I don't require an adaption to precisely resemble the source material.

I can live without a mullet or an eyepatch. Although that tube eye does look pretty goofy.

I'll evaluate it on its own merits. Which of course is no guarantee that I'll like it.

My gripes with Togusa are mostly a joke. The page does say he's the only fully human member of the team AND he clearly has a revolver, which is accurate to the source. Saito's eye tube is horrendous, but purely cosmetic. He's still clearly the team's quiet sniper.

Ishikawa's age however DOES concern me a lot. His characterization in the source material is that of a grizzled veteran, world-weary but still fighting the good fight while he's still able to. He's not like, OLD old, but even in the animated format he looked like he had at least 10 years on anyone else, even Batou. Him looking so young makes me feel like his characterization is screwed. Even if they try to emulate it, it will ring pretty hollow because he's SO OBVIOUSLY VERY YOUNG.

And Ladriya is just mystifying. They don't give any details about her, but she has a gif poster like every other member of Section 9. Is she a member? A villain? The fact they don't tell us anything leads me to believe she's going to either be a throw-away character or a plot tumor.

I decided I was against this movie after the latest trailer made it look like they completely missed the point. These gifs didn't do much to make me feel better, and Ishikawa's in particular made me feel worse.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT STUPID TUBE EYE BULLSHIT?!?!?! How hard is it to fuck up a badass cybernetic eyepatch?!

To be fair I think that cybernetic eye is supposed to be connected to a camera on his gun so that he can see exactly where the gun is aimed at all times, and shoot without looking down the sights.

Doesn't make it look any less dumb, but at least it seems like it has a purpose.

 

[Kolby Jack]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT STUPID TUBE EYE BULLSHIT?!?!?! How hard is it to fuck up a badass cybernetic eyepatch?!

To be fair I think that cybernetic eye is supposed to be connected to a camera on his gun so that he can see exactly where the gun is aimed at all times, and shoot without looking down the sights.

Doesn't make it look any less dumb, but at least it seems like it has a purpose.

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT STUPID TUBE EYE BULLSHIT?!?!?! How hard is it to fuck up a badass cybernetic eyepatch?!

To be fair I think that cybernetic eye is supposed to be connected to a camera on his gun so that he can see exactly where the gun is aimed at all times, and shoot without looking down the sights.

Doesn't make it look any less dumb, but at least it seems like it has a purpose.

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

The wire looks like it connects to something on his chest, which then has another wire connecting to the gun. Why? I don't know, seems needlessly convoluted.

As far as why wireless isn't an option, probably the same reason that pro gamers almost universally use wired mice instead of wireless ones, faster response times and nothing can interfere with the signal.

Plus, considering that Ghost in the Shell is all about things being hacked you'd think no one on the team would use a wireless signal for ANYTHING because of how vulnerable they are.

 

[Kolby Jack]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT STUPID TUBE EYE BULLSHIT?!?!?! How hard is it to fuck up a badass cybernetic eyepatch?!

To be fair I think that cybernetic eye is supposed to be connected to a camera on his gun so that he can see exactly where the gun is aimed at all times, and shoot without looking down the sights.

Doesn't make it look any less dumb, but at least it seems like it has a purpose.

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

The wire looks like it connects to something on his chest, which then has another wire connecting to the gun. Why? I don't know, seems needlessly convoluted.

As far as why wireless isn't an option, probably the same reason that pro gamers almost universally use wired mice instead of wireless ones, faster response times and nothing can interfere with the signal.

Plus, considering that Ghost in the Shell is all about things being hacked you'd think no one on the team would use a wireless signal for ANYTHING because of how vulnerable they are.

Eh, maybe they changed it for this movie but in the anime Saito used a satellite uplink to fire at massive distances with exceptional accuracy. It was vulnerable to hacking, but there really was no better way to aim. If that's not the case here, I still don't get why the wire needs to thread down to his chest and then into his gun. Or why it needs to be white.

 

[Zhukov]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

 

[Kolby Jack]

What would be your ideal cast? Keep in mind that you can't pick the most successful big name actors. The choices need to be realistic.

For Ishikawa, I would have gone with someone older. That's really my only beef. Age is most apparent around the eyes, and that guy practically has the eyes of a toddler. I also probably wouldn't have gone with Scarlett Johansson, just because I'm tired of her dull delivery. It's obvious the team in the movie, despite several using Japanese names, is multinational, so the difference in race is mostly a non-issue. I actually like Borma's look; they got his eyes exactly right (he could be fatter, but eh).

 

[Kolby Jack]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

 

[Zhukov]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

Dealing with "hacker gods" is Sec9's job though.

And no, losing control of one's weapon system would not be an acceptable risk. Not even close.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

Dealing with "hacker gods" is Sec9's job though.

And no, losing control of one's weapon system would not be an acceptable risk. Not even close.

Even in the GitS universe, hacking someone's entire body is nearly impossible. Saito only has a cybernetic left arm for stabilizing his massive guns. At worst, a hacker would make him unable to aim properly, it couldn't make him take the shot. You seem to think every hacker in GitS was on the level of the Laughing Man, when the fact is the Laughing Man was EXTREMELY unusual and well beyond anything Section 9 has ever seen.

Section 9 is a counter-terrorism unit, not specifically cyber-crime. They deal with all kinds of situations, many of which don't involve threats of being hacked.

Besides, the main idea of a sniper is that the target doesn't typically know they are there, which is kind of a requirement for hacking them.

 

[Zhukov]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

Dealing with "hacker gods" is Sec9's job though.

And no, losing control of one's weapon system would not be an acceptable risk. Not even close.

Even in the GitS universe, hacking someone's entire body is nearly impossible. Pazu only has a cybernetic left arm for stabilizing his massive guns. At worst, a hacker would make him unable to aim properly, it couldn't make him take the shot.

Alright, let's get down to nuts and bolts.

Taking control of a soldier's arm would almost completely neutralize him. He wouldn't be able to aim or be much use in any kind of fight. If it's his trigger arm then you could make him fire prematurely, revealing his position or even injuring his friends. That's not even considering such possibilities as making him gouge his own eyes or use a sidearm in unwelcome ways.

You seem to think every hacker in GitS was on the level of the Laughing Man, when the fact is the Laughing Man was EXTREMELY unusual and well beyond anything Section 9 has ever seen.

Nope.

In the first episode of Stand Alone Complex Saito gets his satellite uplink hacked by a tank (a tank we later see in 2nd Gig being widely used as no big deal) piloted by the brain of a weapons designer who is never mentioned as having any notable hacking ability. It's able to detect his position, predict his intended shot and deploy countermeasures.

Towards the end of SAC Batou hacks the eyes of a mech pilot, causing him to see things that aren't there to such a convincing degree that the pilot exits his mech, thinking himself safe.

Those are just off the top of my head. It's been a while since I saw anything GITS-related. My point is that there is no shortage of capable hackers running around GITS.

Section 9 is a counter-terrorism unit, not specifically cyber-crime. They deal with all kinds of situations, many of which don't involve threats of being hacked.

While they don't deal exclusively with hackers, it's something they come up against on a regular basis.

So yeah, I maintain that their using wireless tech for anything when a wired option is available would be incredibly stupid of them.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

Dealing with "hacker gods" is Sec9's job though.

And no, losing control of one's weapon system would not be an acceptable risk. Not even close.

Even in the GitS universe, hacking someone's entire body is nearly impossible. Pazu only has a cybernetic left arm for stabilizing his massive guns. At worst, a hacker would make him unable to aim properly, it couldn't make him take the shot.

Alright, let's get down to nuts and bolts.

Taking control of a soldier's arm would almost completely neutralize him. He wouldn't be able to aim or be much use in any kind of fight. If it's his trigger arm then you could make him fire prematurely, revealing his position or even injuring his friends. That's not even considering such possibilities as making him gouge his own eyes or use a sidearm in unwelcome ways.

You seem to think every hacker in GitS was on the level of the Laughing Man, when the fact is the Laughing Man was EXTREMELY unusual and well beyond anything Section 9 has ever seen.

Nope.

In the first episode of Stand Alone Complex Saito gets his satellite uplink hacked by a tank (a tank we later see in 2nd Gig being widely used as no big deal) piloted by the brain of a weapons designer who is never mentioned as having any notable hacking ability. It's able to detect his position, predict his intended shot and deploy countermeasures.

Towards the end of SAC Batou hacks the eyes of a mech pilot, causing him to see things that aren't there to such a convincing degree that the pilot exits his mech, thinking himself safe.

Those are just off the top of my head. It's been a while since I saw anything GITS-related. My point is that there is no shortage of capable hackers running around GITS.

Section 9 is a counter-terrorism unit, not specifically cyber-crime. They deal with all kinds of situations, many of which don't involve threats of being hacked.

While they don't deal exclusively with hackers, it's something they come up against on a regular basis.

So yeah, I maintain that their using wireless tech for anything when a wired option is available would be incredibly stupid of them.

I like how you want to get down to the nuts and bolts despite also saying you haven't seen the show in a while.

1. I specifically said his left arm was for stabilizing his weapon. That means he pulls the trigger with his right hand. So all your points on that are moot.

2. It's episode 2 with the tank, but I'll cut you some slack even though I don't know how you forgot the robot geishas from episode 1; they were pretty memorable. In that episode, the designer of the tank merged with the tank's AI, effectively ruining his brain but granting him complete control of its functions. It did not hack Saito, it simply uplinked with the same satellite as he did and detected him. It deployed countermeasures to Saito's shot, but did nothing to him. Batou being an elite level hacker is KIND OF THE POINT. Several members of Section 9 are expert hackers, THAT'S WHY THEY WORK FOR SECTION 9. THEY need to hack into things all the time, but they don't ENCOUNTER hackers on their level with any real frequency. So all you did was demonstrate that hacking exists, which... good for you? I already said as much.

3. Again, THEY hack all the time. They don't ENCOUNTER hackers all the time.

Now we're really getting side-tracked, so if you're as tired of being wrong as I am of explaining why, let's stop this tangent here.

 

[Zhukov]

Now we're really getting side-tracked, so if you're as tired of being wrong as I am of explaining why, let's stop this tangent here.

Buddy, if you're getting hostile over a cartoon then I think I'm done with this exchange.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

My main objection is that Togusa seems so goddamned old. I thought he was supposed to be an early 30's professional with a young wife and a child? Is it just seriously awful shots or makeup? How old is that poor bastard?

 

[happyninja42]

Oh I understand that. Granted, I don't know why the wire doesn't just directly connect to the gun. That it doesn't just makes me ask "is wireless not an option in 2029?"

Given the abilities of hackers in the GITS setting, I would not want my weapons system to be operating wirelessly.

It's an acceptable risk when trying to make shots that are impossible by today's standards. It's not like everyone terrorist in GitS is a hacker god; very few have that capability.

considering 2 examples I can think of from season 1 alone involve a guy who hacked a tank and took it over as his body, and went off the reservation into the streets of Tokyo on a rampage (not really, but that's what it looked like), and the Laughing Man, who could hack basically whatever because "fuck your rules, I have lul powerz", yeah I'd say having your wireless weaponry hacked is a serious problem they need to concern themselves with.

I mean seriously, how many episodes involved someone doing something with computers they shouldn't, getting access to areas/systems they shouldn't? It was pretty much every episode

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, even if you almost never come across a hacker good enough, one incident and there's a major scandal, products are recalled and heads roll (literally or not). Use wires.

(For that matter, jamming is easier than hacking.)