I Hit It With My Axe: Episode Eight: Don't Tell Us, Right Now!

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II2 said:
EHCM said:
II2 said:
Don't understand purpose. Candid exposure of people contrary to tabletop gaming expectations? Attractive girls, counterculture chic - titillating audience, but otherwise just as exciting as sidelining any other D&D game.

Does this exist to entertain, or forward subculture propagation? Does neither successfully.

Don't think creators thought much before turning on new digital camera.

Weak delivery needs tightened production to realize latent potential. Show is broken, not bankrupt.
I think you are missing the point imo.

The subject is D&D, the hook is attractive women, but the main point is you add these two together and you have yourself one heck of a campaign.

It's irony and sarcasm at its best.

The stereotype for D&D is nerdy boys playing D&D with soda pop and cheetos while the DM is making Boris Karloff impressions. I would never have imagined a womens (especially the ones playing in "I Hit It With My Axe") group to ever play D&D. The other stereotype is that pretty girls don't play D&D, much less know what a d20 is, or what the term DM means (etc, etc, etc). The breaking of these stereotype is great fun, and dare I say, genius.

There are other undertones of irony but I don't want to outline an essay with a thesis, supporting topic sentences, or a paragraph of opposition ^__^

I know the editing was not quite what it should be, but that goes with anything, and I mean anything you do for the first time. There are always the rough spots, but as I and other musicians say when practicing "I need to spend time to woodshed it," and once you have the rhythm and notes down it's all about "polishing it."

It's just great to watch these players rp their characters and try and outsmart the DM! All the while, creating interest in D&D. This is a win win for sure!
Comprehending social stereotypes non-issue. Been DM/Storyteller for 25+ years running. Familiar with the industry, its publications and patrons.

Irony and sarcasm, yes, but not noteworthy. Exercise in realizing obvious "opposite" anticipations.

Aware being a grumpy, critical cynic deprives me of the enjoyment, so good on them if they're having fun making their game video, but this doesn't fit my preferance.


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edt: Concede, vicariously, Ms. Morbid has -goddamn- beautiful features and skin.
I love how you break this down :)
 

Arlyn

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EHCM said:
II2 said:
Don't understand purpose. Candid exposure of people contrary to tabletop gaming expectations? Attractive girls, counterculture chic - titillating audience, but otherwise just as exciting as sidelining any other D&D game.

Does this exist to entertain, or forward subculture propagation? Does neither successfully.

Don't think creators thought much before turning on new digital camera.

Weak delivery needs tightened production to realize latent potential. Show is broken, not bankrupt.
I think you are missing the point imo.

The subject is D&D, the hook is attractive women, but the main point is you add these two together and you have yourself one heck of a campaign.

It's irony and sarcasm at its best.

The stereotype for D&D is nerdy boys playing D&D with soda pop and cheetos while the DM is making Boris Karloff impressions. I would never have imagined a womens (especially the ones playing in "I Hit It With My Axe") group to ever play D&D. The other stereotype is that pretty girls don't play D&D, much less know what a d20 is, or what the term DM means (etc, etc, etc). The breaking of these stereotype is great fun, and dare I say, genius.

There are other undertones of irony but I don't want to outline an essay with a thesis, supporting topic sentences, or a paragraph of opposition ^__^

I know the editing was not quite what it should be, but that goes with anything, and I mean anything you do for the first time. There are always the rough spots, but as I and other musicians say when practicing "I need to spend time to woodshed it," and once you have the rhythm and notes down it's all about "polishing it."

It's just great to watch these players rp their characters and try and outsmart the DM! All the while, creating interest in D&D. This is a win win for sure!
Eh? Maybe it's just me, but I know plenty of hot girls that play D&D. This isn't a new thing. I'm a girl, I wouldn't say I'm hot, but then no girl would, that's what we do. Anyway, there are no stereotypes (in my opinion) being broken. They're being enforced. Girls who play D&D play rogues and wizards almost exclusively with the occasional experimental class. This show is just showing what I see multiple times a week, and it's doing it badly. It's not particularly ironic, and it's really fucking stupid.
 

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I'm sorry, but am I the only one who has a problem with how horribly this game is run? It's not D&D is some spastic distant cousin of D&D that WotC wouldn't acknowledge if they ran into it on the street. Seriously, the DM doesn't seem to know what he's doing, the players are COMPLETELY clueless.
WotC didn't have anything to do with creating D&D, and the two gentlemen who did create D&D didn't run it in a way WotC would acknowledge today. Have you ever even seen what Original or 1st Edition D&D was like? It's pretty much like Zak's D&D.

Perhaps, before you announce how clueless and terrible the DM is, you might consider checking out his blog. If you are a serious student of D&D - which I am -- it's impossible to read the blog and conclude that he's anything but an extremely gifted gamer. Zak understands more about what makes D&D tick than most pro game designers. Whether you like his DMing style or not is a different issue, but suggesting he's not running real D&D because you don't like his style simply makes your other opinions seem moot.
 

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Archon said:
Arlyn said:
I'm sorry, but am I the only one who has a problem with how horribly this game is run? It's not D&D is some spastic distant cousin of D&D that WotC wouldn't acknowledge if they ran into it on the street. Seriously, the DM doesn't seem to know what he's doing, the players are COMPLETELY clueless.
WotC didn't have anything to do with creating D&D, and the two gentlemen who did create D&D didn't run it in a way WotC would acknowledge today. Have you ever even seen what Original or 1st Edition D&D was like? It's pretty much like Zak's D&D.

Perhaps, before you announce how clueless and terrible the DM is, you might consider checking out his blog. If you are a serious student of D&D - which I am -- it's impossible to read the blog and conclude that he's anything but an extremely gifted gamer. Zak understands more about what makes D&D tick than most pro game designers. Whether you like his DMing style or not is a different issue, but suggesting he's not running real D&D because you don't like his style simply makes your other opinions seem moot.
I'm not going to dis 1st ed it was the groundwork for a functional game system, but it was just the ground work. More rules were implemented, changed, and improved upon because the game system is flawed, just like Zak's DMing is, in my opinion. In any case, he wasn't even running a 1st ed game. Or he was running a 1st ed game using newer books, which seems less than effective. And in any case, my main issue is with the girls playing. No, I do not like the way Zak runs, but his players don't know enough about the game for him to run it properly. They'd all die every five seconds and the majority of the campaign would be character creation. Everyone would get bored.

And I wasn't saying WotC had anything to do with the creation of D&D. I was saying that they are what made D&D what it is now. If you don't like what they've done with it, that's completely fine by me. I think they made a huge mistake with 4th ed. Just like I think they've completely destroyed MtG in the last few years. But I do believe they improved upon the original system.
 

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II2 said:
II2 said:
Don't understand purpose. Candid exposure of people contrary to tabletop gaming expectations? Attractive girls, counterculture chic - titillating audience, but otherwise just as exciting as sidelining any other D&D game.

Does this exist to entertain, or forward subculture propagation? Does neither successfully.

Don't think creators thought much before turning on new digital camera.

Weak delivery needs tightened production to realize latent potential. Show is broken, not bankrupt.
Comprehending social stereotypes non-issue. Been DM/Storyteller for 25+ years running. Familiar with the industry, its publications and patrons.

Irony and sarcasm, yes, but not noteworthy. Exercise in realizing obvious "opposite" anticipations.

Aware being a grumpy, critical cynic deprives me of the enjoyment, so good on them if they're having fun making their game video, but this doesn't fit my preferance.
Why does your writing remind me of Doctor Mordin from Mass Effect 2?

On the topic of the show: It just keeps gets better! Opposite day is a hilarious idea, I wish my DM was that inventive. Or is he and just waiting to pull out the big guns for the right moment like Zac seems to be doing?
 

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I have tried watching every single episode and I just can't make it past the 2 min mark, it is dreadfully boring and to be honest the concept is less than original, cool, or anything else on those lines. I am bored by this so much I just registered to say I don't think this could be any less amusing. Pornstars REALLY? Because someone who is 15 would want to see pornstars playing a tabletop game? Urealms was great, ZP is great, LRR is and always has been hilarious, Unskippable is almost always funny I nearly died the first episode, D&A is raising it's already pretty decent level of entertainment, but this is just so BAD and mindless god forbid I am in a nursery and it is on!
 

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Archon said:
Have you ever even seen what Original or 1st Edition D&D was like? It's pretty much like Zak's D&D.
I got hooked in the AD&D days. And I can vouch that the playstyle we see here is deep in the strangeness and puzzle-love that marked the style of Gary Gygax's dungeons, one of those two co-creators. Can I give a shout-out for anyone who's ever run or DMed the Tomb of Horrors? Even Hickman's stuff was more whimsical and puzzliscious back in those days. I'm thinking back to one of the rooms in the module "Pyramid" where the players had to figure out how to operate a lifting chamber that was controlled by four command words - all just backwards English. No check to read languages, just quick fun brain candy for the players. Once you figured out what the command words were, you still had to figure out with that toolbox how to cross the room, so it was a puzzle to unlock another puzzle. Again, quick, whimsical brain candy.

Tracking down that blog turns out to be as easy as googling "zak dnd pornstar" and following the link from the first article it hits. It illuminates a few questions asked here, too.

Chaya said:
Anyway, I was wondering, if any of you from the show read the comments, if Zak's custom rules are viewable somewhere.
This entry [http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/so-ive-heard-people-complaining-that.html], which you get if you hit the "rules" link on the page has a summary. It also answers another question...

Kyouki1980 said:
Did the girls play regularly or even at all before the idea for the videos?
Yup, they were playing before the show. Except Ms. Jolie, who was playing for the very first time in this episode. And not wearing pants. (Pants intel gleaned from the current top blog post, not the linked one.)
 

chepenoyo

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And Rorschach, we can totally tell it's you. This "II2" handle isn't fooling anyone who's read your journal.
 

chepenoyo

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Some people don't seem to understand that bit about not being abusive in the guidelines when they register at forums.
 

garlicncow

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chepenoyo said:
Some people don't seem to understand that bit about not being abusive in the guidelines when they register at forums.
Not being abusive, being honest, a pornstar is simply a glorified prostitute and marketing a video of people playing DnD because they have sex on camera for money is not right in anyway, also stating my opinion on the "show" is far from abusive. But I may have missed something in my fit of rage so please do point out the post so I may see if I am wrong and/or explain my reasoning and tone behind the post. I do try to be reasonable.
 

chepenoyo

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Porn star is generally understood to mean something other than whore, which carries far nastier connotations in English. You're using an argument from a set theory stance that while internally consistent isn't the way the language is used, and you're using it to justify an abusive comment, which is against the rules of almost every internet forum, everywhere. Including this one.

Clearly you think you're justified in doing so; as you say, you're enraged. But to those of us outside the moral complex that demands you do this, you're just coming off as a jerk, to put it mildly.
 

mandymorbid

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Appropriate nomenclature.

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/appendix-c-whores.html
 

rddj623

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Zak, your goblin voice is awesome! Keep up the good work guys!
 

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chepenoyo said:
Porn star is generally understood to mean something other than whore, which carries far nastier connotations in English. You're using an argument from a set theory stance that while internally consistent isn't the way the language is used, and you're using it to justify an abusive comment, which is against the rules of almost every internet forum, everywhere. Including this one.

Clearly you think you're justified in doing so, as you say, you're enraged. But to those of us outside the moral complex that demands you do this, you're just coming off as a jerk, to put it mildly.
A pornstar
-has sex for money
A whore
-has sex for money
Do you see something similar, and I use whore as a synonym for prostitute since it in fact IS. Not meant as in the commonly used English connotation. As for "Fit of rage" it is more of my dislike of a show that does nothing but enforce an already prevalent stereotype of gamers I have to deal with enough throughout the day ALREADY.

You from my point of view come of as someone trying to pick a fight with someone with another opinion using rather vague rules usually based on interpretation of the one enforcing them against me because you have no real argument other than "HES RONG CUZ I SEYZ SO!!!!"
 

rddj623

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mandymorbid said:
Appropriate nomenclature.

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/appendix-c-whores.html
Interesting perspective. As far as people calling y'all whores, just brush it off. It's those people who will end up old and alone with their hatred as their only company behind their high and mighty walls hypocritical "morality".
 

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Wow this episode is the best so far. Again, maybe this is just because I'm an outsider fascinated by the world of D&D but I really like this series. It's truly getting better and I'm excited to see where it goes.
 

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rddj623 said:
mandymorbid said:
Appropriate nomenclature.

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/appendix-c-whores.html
Interesting perspective. As far as people calling y'all whores, just brush it off. It's those people who will end up old and alone with their hatred as their only company behind their high and mighty walls hypocritical "morality".
I never claimed high morality or any superiority over people, and insulting someone by saying they are lonely and always will be over the internet is like talking to a mirrior and only reflect your own insecurities.
 

chepenoyo

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Whores are generally understood to have sex with anyone who forks over the cash, without discretion. You can be a pornstar, on the other hand, by filming yourself with your spouse and selling the video. Likewise a sex surrogate who teaches the recently disabled how to become sexually active again in their new condition would fit your definition of a whore, although most people would say that they were not.

On the other hand, Miss Morbid has just supplied us with a far more entertaining definition.
 

rddj623

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garlicncow said:
chepenoyo said:
Porn star is generally understood to mean something other than whore, which carries far nastier connotations in English. You're using an argument from a set theory stance that while internally consistent isn't the way the language is used, and you're using it to justify an abusive comment, which is against the rules of almost every internet forum, everywhere. Including this one.

Clearly you think you're justified in doing so, as you say, you're enraged. But to those of us outside the moral complex that demands you do this, you're just coming off as a jerk, to put it mildly.
A pornstar
-has sex for money
A whore
-has sex for money
Do you see something similar, and I use whore as a synonym for prostitute since it in fact IS. Not meant as in the commonly used English connotation. As for "Fit of rage" it is more of my dislike of a show that does nothing but enforce an already prevalent stereotype of gamers I have to deal with enough throughout the day ALREADY.

You from my point of view come of as someone trying to pick a fight with someone with another opinion using rather vague rules usually based on interpretation of the one enforcing them against me because you have no real argument other than "HES RONG CUZ I SEYZ SO!!!!"
The problem is your lack of tact. Sure you can make your argument that a whore is the same as a pornstar. But that's like saying a vagina is the same as a ****. While technically that may be a true statement, one carries a far stronger connotation. The tactful thing to do would be to think about which one is less offensive and go thusly. While you yourself may have meant no harm in the statement, most people who choose to use the word whore instead of pornstar DO in fact mean it in a harmful way. So it's no one's fault but your own if people misinterpret your meaning.