I Hit It With My Axe: Episode Seven: No Defense Against Blankets
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When the Penny Arcade guys podcast D&D, they say it's the Penny Arcade guys. When the Robot Chicken guys podcast D&D, they say it's the Robot Chicken guys. They had to say something more about the show than "A show about some people playing D&D." And even then, it's down in the comments. If they were really pushing the porn angle, I have to think they'd have put something about it in the title or the logo for the show, y'know?Shadowflame66 said:
The common thread in these complaints seems to be, "This show is exploiting geeks. I'm a geek, but I didn't fall for it. But it's bad that it's exploiting geeks. Bad bad bad."
Have a bit more faith in your fellow geek. We might be enjoying it for reasons that have nothing to do with the dreaded exploitation.
It doesn't matter who they are aslong as they are enjoying it.fnartilter said:
Speaking of censorship get the BBFC involved for good measure! On the basis they still haven't worked out that making something a taboo only makes people want it more.
It happens to everyone, because as it turns out sarcasm doesn't come across very well through text. I've been in trouble way too many times for txt messages that were supposed to be sarcastic, been when sarcasm wasn't expected it was just mean. Spent way too long explaining myself out of those situations.Satine Phoenix said:
Anyway, the show is great. It actually helps people who aren't really familiar with the game understand it, and probably find it fun enough to try it out themselves.
Of all the people who criticize your show, you're bitching at the one who's actually being reasonable and constructive about it? Come on, grow up.MissLisa said:
What he's saying is that this is a gaming forum, a forum for a somewhat nerdy hobby, and some of the gamers here felt insulted to be the target audience of "porn stars playing D&D". The culture clash is present, yes, but some people just see it as a gimmick, something along the lines of, "because gamers are a bunch of sexually-depraved nerds, they should jump at the opportunity to see porn stars playing a nerdy game." It has nothing to do with the show itself so much as where it was presented: here, on a gaming forum.
Do you understand? Some people just see it as kind of insulting. Personally, I don't mind the show; it has its interesting and funny moments. But you have to understand that a lot of people go into it with the wrong impression and they form a negative opinion on the show before they watch it. It's not the show itself, just how (and where) it's been presented. Some people aren't going to see it as anything other than a gimmick, so don't try to convince them that they're wrong or ignorant; just accept their criticism and move on.
I do not think misslisa is able to understand anything other than being a defensive troll. But sheep are sheep in the end. I do not have a problem with the show, I watch it to see what that cute pale girl with the glasses and sneaking fetish will do next.(Does a grand chuckle)Citrus Insanity said:Of all the people who criticize your show, you're bitching at the one who's actually being reasonable and constructive about it? Come on, grow up.MissLisa said:
What he's saying is that this is a gaming forum, a forum for a somewhat nerdy hobby, and some of the gamers here felt insulted to be the target audience of "porn stars playing D&D". The culture clash is present, yes, but some people just see it as a gimmick, something along the lines of, "because gamers are a bunch of sexually-depraved nerds, they should jump at the opportunity to see porn stars playing a nerdy game." It has nothing to do with the show itself so much as where it was presented: here, on a gaming forum.
Do you understand? Some people just see it as kind of insulting. Personally, I don't mind the show; it has its interesting and funny moments. But you have to understand that a lot of people go into it with the wrong impression and they form a negative opinion on the show before they watch it. It's not the show itself, just how (and where) it's been presented. Some people aren't going to see it as anything other than a gimmick, so don't try to convince them that they're wrong or ignorant; just accept their criticism and move on.
The only problem I have is that it say porn stars playing DnD. If porn stars were playing DnD three minutes into the game they would have been naked and having sex. In these videos its not happening so I just see normal men and women playing a game, and a show trying to sell me what is not true.
(sarcasm)I call false advertising, I clicked the link to see porn stars! And I want my porn stars playing DnD, you know what I mean when I say porn stars playing hot TnA hardcore DnD! (sarcasm)
Normal people playing DnD I say. You can quote this if you like. When your at the DnD table it does not matter if your a boss of one of the players, or a rock star, or thor, or anyone at all. What matters is the character who you come as and play as at the table; like an elven rogue stalking her prey, a chaotic human barbarian riding on a lion as he ran sacks a bar, or a somber little mage. Those are what matters in the world of DnD nothing else.
I say take down the porn stars playing dnd!
p.s. Sorry have not been on lately, busy with work projects.
Ok, so publicly I would like to apologize to Satine and whoever else misinterpreted my original comment. I should've remembered to also mention the things I like about this show to show that the statement was sarcastic.
On that note, I think this show is great. The blanket plan is just one of those wonderfully ridiculous things that seems like a good idea when you've been playing an imaginary game for the past few hours. This is one of those things I like to watch because it's pleasant. It's funny. It's not hilarious, but it doesn't have to be. I can understand that's not everyone's thing though.
What I have NO understanding for is people bitching about "How it has porn stars and I feel insulted to be in the target audience". Just no.
Sorry, but this is not a case of false advertising. You should know damn well this is no porn site, it was literally marketed as adult entertainers playing DnD. If you then expect something OTHER than a bunch of people who are perhaps a little more open about sex than most, just sitting down and playing DnD, that's not the fault of the creators, that's just your dumb prejudices coming into play.
On that note, I think this show is great. The blanket plan is just one of those wonderfully ridiculous things that seems like a good idea when you've been playing an imaginary game for the past few hours. This is one of those things I like to watch because it's pleasant. It's funny. It's not hilarious, but it doesn't have to be. I can understand that's not everyone's thing though.
What I have NO understanding for is people bitching about "How it has porn stars and I feel insulted to be in the target audience". Just no.
Sorry, but this is not a case of false advertising. You should know damn well this is no porn site, it was literally marketed as adult entertainers playing DnD. If you then expect something OTHER than a bunch of people who are perhaps a little more open about sex than most, just sitting down and playing DnD, that's not the fault of the creators, that's just your dumb prejudices coming into play.
I think if they made the banner say normal people it would not have the same effect, because it would be an obvious political correct description, only to be political correct.
I feel this "I'm offended! Why do you showcase that they are pornstars! Nerds aren't horny bastards! BLASPHEMY!" Is reversed prejudice, nobody said anything of that nature, and it speaks more of ones own prejudice, when the first reaction is, this pornstar stuff is targetted at me because I'm a gamer. NO! the DnD stuff is targetted at you because you're a gamer, the fact that they are pornstars is a culturial commentary, It's pornstars doing normal stuff, which is awesome. It humanizes the individuels, who work in an industry which objectifies them.
I feel this "I'm offended! Why do you showcase that they are pornstars! Nerds aren't horny bastards! BLASPHEMY!" Is reversed prejudice, nobody said anything of that nature, and it speaks more of ones own prejudice, when the first reaction is, this pornstar stuff is targetted at me because I'm a gamer. NO! the DnD stuff is targetted at you because you're a gamer, the fact that they are pornstars is a culturial commentary, It's pornstars doing normal stuff, which is awesome. It humanizes the individuels, who work in an industry which objectifies them.
A few videos in, and I still like it...It really reminds me of my hardcore DnD sessions at uni. Dungeons, dodgy GM's decisions, players kvetching, rolling 20s. Good times! The fact that the gamers at the table are strippers and porn stars is just background noise for me, just as the professions of my players become background noise at my table when the game stars up. Although I must admit that it got me curious the first time around.
If you don't play D&D, you're not gonna get it. If you do play D&D, you're gonna get it but it's still going to be boring.Decabo said:
The premise itself is flawed. Who wants to watch people play D&D? Maybe if there was some acted comedy bits thrown in there, like in the Gamers films, then it might be entertaining.
Hells Yeah! I completely agree with you everybody suffers with prejudice of somekind; but I personally am not insulted by the title of this at all, infact is very accurate description of whats happening.DayDark said:
And what is the problem exactly with ladies making D&D more sexy or am I supposed to think oh woe is me and hold to higher ideals? D&D was hot in the first place I could list lots of reasons but the obvious ones are leather, swords and fur. Their is a reason why this web magazine is called the escapist and plenty more reasons why we play games.
I'm loving the discussions that the vids are bringing together aswell!
See the thing is it is fun to watch.
For some people, I doubt anybody expects anything to be universally loved.
I've met 3 people in my life that have never watched Star Wars and have no interest in watching it....which is just unsettlingly disturbing to me but that's another discussion. Anyways, not everyone is going to like everything.
For me I love this. I loved the same thing about the early parts of Unforgotten realms.
I don't know if I would like to sit down and watch all of them play the entire session, but with it edited down to something more concise then yeah, it's fun to watch other people.
Why? The same reason why people like watch lots of different things, because we relate to the stuff that's going on in some way.
If it was a gaming group of completely average PnP players I might watch that too for the same reasons if they were likeable enough. This just offers something nicely different. If there was one about a group of buddhist monks playing a D&D I'd prolly want to check that out too.
I don't know, I just get a kick out of the stuff that is so hilariously similar to the messed up and funny stuff that happens in my games.
Crap, last gaming session I had a half dragonness who was completely out of her mind fall in love with my sorceror. She latched onto his neck and sang long songs to him in the midst of a drag out brawl with a greater hydra.
Seeing the crazy crap that happens in other games is fun.
The only different with something like this is that it's in a nice condensed form.
For some people, I doubt anybody expects anything to be universally loved.
I've met 3 people in my life that have never watched Star Wars and have no interest in watching it....which is just unsettlingly disturbing to me but that's another discussion. Anyways, not everyone is going to like everything.
For me I love this. I loved the same thing about the early parts of Unforgotten realms.
I don't know if I would like to sit down and watch all of them play the entire session, but with it edited down to something more concise then yeah, it's fun to watch other people.
Why? The same reason why people like watch lots of different things, because we relate to the stuff that's going on in some way.
If it was a gaming group of completely average PnP players I might watch that too for the same reasons if they were likeable enough. This just offers something nicely different. If there was one about a group of buddhist monks playing a D&D I'd prolly want to check that out too.
I don't know, I just get a kick out of the stuff that is so hilariously similar to the messed up and funny stuff that happens in my games.
Crap, last gaming session I had a half dragonness who was completely out of her mind fall in love with my sorceror. She latched onto his neck and sang long songs to him in the midst of a drag out brawl with a greater hydra.
Seeing the crazy crap that happens in other games is fun.
The only different with something like this is that it's in a nice condensed form.
6:41 When you ask "Is there anything else down there?" and the DM replies with "Nothing living." you should get ready for fighting some level-draining horrors. Never trust your Dungeon Master.
Also, "There's one guy left." "I will chop him." reminded me of Axe Cop. [http://axecop.com/]
Also, "There's one guy left." "I will chop him." reminded me of Axe Cop. [http://axecop.com/]
When this show first got announced, I decided to give it a try. I saw the title and thought that regardless of the content, it could be an interesting watch. The first episode was awful and maintained my attention for a whole 10 seconds.
I've read through the comments on previous episodes and decided to watch this episode today to see if it was as bad as I remember. My feelings on the series is quite mixed now. I'm not one for heavily flaming, especially when the creators will read the comments.
First of all, I appreciate the fact that this is essentially you guys playing a game and us watching. The problem is that you're putting over something that should be entertaining. What I felt for this episode was a great sense of detachment. The sort of sense that says "I understand what's happening, but I'm not feeling it because I'm just watching it rather than participate". The problem is that you need a hook. Even if it's fabricated, throwing in some between character drama or something like that, something that takes away from the story telling and dice rolling, a breaking of the 4th wall, so to speak. What you have currently would support this. If you wanted full immersion of the fantasy world, animation would be far more interesting. As your current filming goes, you'd do far better to expand on things beyond the dungeons and dice. The guys in the back really do break things up with that disinterested comic book reading, just saying.
To roll in some more criticism, I feel as though I'm watching something that someone's friend uploaded on youtube. The sort of video where the uploader and their friend thinks its hilarious and the camera shakes as both people are in hysterics. To the people in the video, it's brilliant. To people watching, it's bland. Fleshing out the episodes might be the only way to do this and with your current shows lasting 9 minutes, this might turn more into a television series sort of show in terms of length. By all means, enjoy the game, but slaphanded editing (which I still felt the pinch of a bit in this episode) makes things difficult to follow. You might have to view the footage over once it's all captured and then re-enact some of the scenes to make it more polished and flow better for the viewer.
But that's just my take on it. I'm not a fan and I don't feel immersed by the fantasy, but I'm wise enough to not roll in just saying it's shit. If there is a foreseeable end to this game and another game was started, if my criticism was taken on board and the videos were fleshed out enough, you'd earn yourself another viewer. As the argument goes, quality over quantity, I'd much rather see shorter but more fleshed out videos on a weekly basis or longer, almost television episodic videos on a fortnightly/monthly basis. But maybe this is me and I'm not cut out for this DnD thing. The concept seems fine, entertaining even, but the execution is just not as I'd like. I'll be keeping an eye on this series as the concept is entertaining, but as of yet, you do not have a loyal viewer in me :x
I've read through the comments on previous episodes and decided to watch this episode today to see if it was as bad as I remember. My feelings on the series is quite mixed now. I'm not one for heavily flaming, especially when the creators will read the comments.
First of all, I appreciate the fact that this is essentially you guys playing a game and us watching. The problem is that you're putting over something that should be entertaining. What I felt for this episode was a great sense of detachment. The sort of sense that says "I understand what's happening, but I'm not feeling it because I'm just watching it rather than participate". The problem is that you need a hook. Even if it's fabricated, throwing in some between character drama or something like that, something that takes away from the story telling and dice rolling, a breaking of the 4th wall, so to speak. What you have currently would support this. If you wanted full immersion of the fantasy world, animation would be far more interesting. As your current filming goes, you'd do far better to expand on things beyond the dungeons and dice. The guys in the back really do break things up with that disinterested comic book reading, just saying.
To roll in some more criticism, I feel as though I'm watching something that someone's friend uploaded on youtube. The sort of video where the uploader and their friend thinks its hilarious and the camera shakes as both people are in hysterics. To the people in the video, it's brilliant. To people watching, it's bland. Fleshing out the episodes might be the only way to do this and with your current shows lasting 9 minutes, this might turn more into a television series sort of show in terms of length. By all means, enjoy the game, but slaphanded editing (which I still felt the pinch of a bit in this episode) makes things difficult to follow. You might have to view the footage over once it's all captured and then re-enact some of the scenes to make it more polished and flow better for the viewer.
But that's just my take on it. I'm not a fan and I don't feel immersed by the fantasy, but I'm wise enough to not roll in just saying it's shit. If there is a foreseeable end to this game and another game was started, if my criticism was taken on board and the videos were fleshed out enough, you'd earn yourself another viewer. As the argument goes, quality over quantity, I'd much rather see shorter but more fleshed out videos on a weekly basis or longer, almost television episodic videos on a fortnightly/monthly basis. But maybe this is me and I'm not cut out for this DnD thing. The concept seems fine, entertaining even, but the execution is just not as I'd like. I'll be keeping an eye on this series as the concept is entertaining, but as of yet, you do not have a loyal viewer in me :x
Wow, sure is whinge-city in here.
Anyway, if I might add my own two-cents, I'm enjoying these videos a tad more than the Robot Chicken D&D because this is how tabletop RPGs are really played. While I do enjoy the Robot Chicken videos, they're much too conventional, and their DM is much too nice.
I often DM Dungeons & Dragons, Star Wars D20, hombrew systems, and others and it's never as neat and tidy as it is with the Robot Chicken guys. I prefer this format, it's a real down to earth (for lack of a better term) game. It's hard to really put into words, but I Hit It With My Axe has a much better atmosphere. To be honest, the only problem I have is that it's a bit difficult to follow the story of the actual campaign, but I'm not too fussed, the real entertainment comes from the player dialogue and the silly ideas that ensue.
To be honest, I had no idea most of the players worked in the adult entertainment industry until I saw all the whining about it on the forums, and to be plain, I really don't care. I have no qualms with how people live their lives as long as there's some quality D&D involved!
Anyway, if I might add my own two-cents, I'm enjoying these videos a tad more than the Robot Chicken D&D because this is how tabletop RPGs are really played. While I do enjoy the Robot Chicken videos, they're much too conventional, and their DM is much too nice.
I often DM Dungeons & Dragons, Star Wars D20, hombrew systems, and others and it's never as neat and tidy as it is with the Robot Chicken guys. I prefer this format, it's a real down to earth (for lack of a better term) game. It's hard to really put into words, but I Hit It With My Axe has a much better atmosphere. To be honest, the only problem I have is that it's a bit difficult to follow the story of the actual campaign, but I'm not too fussed, the real entertainment comes from the player dialogue and the silly ideas that ensue.
To be honest, I had no idea most of the players worked in the adult entertainment industry until I saw all the whining about it on the forums, and to be plain, I really don't care. I have no qualms with how people live their lives as long as there's some quality D&D involved!
I really don't see why everyone hates this so much... It's actually gotten a lot better since the first episode and I actually think it's pretty cool. I mean, maybe it's just for people like me who don't play D&D but kind of want to see what it's like... so I really don't know if this is accurate or not. But whatever, I'm enjoying it.
