I just uninstalled Skyrim

[Matt King]

-clap clap clap- you have an opinion aren't you special

 

[karoliso]

1. TES leveling system was perfected by removing the tedium of previous iterations. (Oh, I already got 3 XP that ties to Agility, better get 3 for strength and 3 for intelligence now before I accidentally make my level up weaker. *Spam Intelligence linked spell*)

It feels a bit more organic but somewhat more shallow.

2. Bethesda made NPCs that aren't lifeless husks. (That is a good thing. Baby steps.)

Nope, they still seem to be pretty lifeless.

3. The narrative and storytelling was actually decent. (Again, baby steps.)

It was pretty bland and average at best.

4. If you take the initiative to create a character with quirks based on the lore, and you adhere to those quirks, Bethesda has created a world that offers interesting experiences and social/political dilemmas. This is a rare thing in video games.

No, it's not rare. Have you played Dragon Age?

5. The combat system is a vast improvement over the old one especially with perks having been brought in.

Saying that it's better than the previous Elder Scrolls game doesn't mean that it's good. It just means it's better than crap.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

In my opinion, you have very low standards if you think Skyrim is a good game. Yes it is big, but so are MMORPG's...

Within three paragraphs you get from "I accept that everyone has an opinion" into this "No True Scotsman" crap. For a guy yammering about cognitive dissonance, you have an astonishing blind spot for your own biases.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

The point is, opinions, man.

I'm not sure it is that. The Escapist forums are painfully cliche.

Want to have a popular thread? Here is what you do.

Look for something popular. Lets call that thing "Zebras".

Make a post called "Zebras are crap and here is why."

or

"I just gave up on Zebras."

Then you write a bunch of things that describe any other equine, act like you've unraveled the mysteries of the universe and rake in that sweet sweet post count raising debate.

Think I'm joking? (You probably don't) Look at the top 5 posts on any Monday, one of them is about whatever is currently the most popular game or entertainment item and how it sucks.

Then the posts tend to be a short rant at top, then bullet points on why it sucks a few responses down, then a half dozen smart folks say "Dude. It's just opinions." The rest of the escapist looks and (guessing by the depreciating response value of these topics) yao mings it.

Spoiler: My face when I see the top 5

I find it strange that if someone compliments a game, a ton of people pour in and are like 'OH YEAH, GREAT GAME. LOVE YOU, OP.' But if someone says a game is bad, a ton of people pour in and are like 'THAT'S YOUR OPINION. WE DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU. GO AWAY! LALALALALALALA'

Positivity breeds positivity, Negativity breeds negativity.

Next time you are at the store try this.

Walk up to two different women, say one is looking lovely today and then tell the other one she is a *****.

Get back to me and see how that goes. Make sure you do both of these while surrounded by people, I'd like to know how the audience reacted.

The Escapist needs more people like you. It really, really does.

 

[Epona]

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the game, and hope that you never have to go through that harrowing experience ever again.

Honestly, what is the point of this thread? Yes, you don't like Skyrim. Good for you.

EDIT: Oh, I see. Apparently the point of this thread is so people who know much more than anyone else in the world can tell everyone who plays Skyrim that no, they are not enjoying themselves, that despite what the think they are NOT having fun because it's a BAD GAME AND I DON'T LIKE IT COGNITIVE DISSONANCE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

The point of this thread is probably the exact opposite of all the "OMG SKYRIM IS AWESOME" threads that have shown up here.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

I tried to become a vampire Argonian and I swear to the divines it is impossible...

Online says the resistance to disease doesn't count Vampires, I'm calling bullshit.

It's possible, but it can be a bit of a pain. You basically have to let a vampire attack you until you contract it. I had to reload like 5 times before I got it.

Just keep with it, shouldn't take long.

Jeez, I should have picked an Argonian for my character. I can barely walk out of my house without contracting Rockjoint or Brain Rot or one of the several other diseases the game offers.

 

[Spearmaster]

And I feel nothing.
I was 'lucky' enough to be able to play it a few days before it came out (the PS3 version was already being sold here, and my friend had bought it).
I went on this forum to downplay people's INSANE expectations, and got 10+ pages of people calling me a troll and flaming me to death.

From that day forward, I could only see the game's flaws. I couldn't enjoy it. I played through the main story once, did pretty much everything else with another character, but all I felt throughout playing the game was hatred.


I hope I forget about Skyrim, the biggest load of shit I have ever had on my harddrive.

Played a game for possibly 100+ hours, that you already hated, I believe you wanted to hate the game more than you actually do, even before you owned the game yourself.

1. if you hate a game don't buy it if you've made up your mind already.
2. if you buy a game you hate don't play it for months on end.
3. if your argument makes no logical sense be prepared to be called a troll.

+1 troll

 

[Fishyash]

In my opinion, you have very low standards if you think Skyrim is a good game. Yes it is big, but so are MMORPG's...

Too many people in the world have low standards?

As far as I am concerned:
1. Being single player focused is a non-issue. Bethesda couldn't integrate MP without further breaking their broken game if their lives depended on it.
2. No scripting. Also no AI capable of learning. Leads to a very shallow experience.
3. For every hilarious bug, there are 10 bugs that are detrimental. And lets not forget the game/console breaking bugs.
4. The level scaling is still broken as shit.
5. Mods are a non-issue. Look at the total conversion mods for Oblivion. No one bought Oblivion to play those mods. None of them saved Oblivion for being the piece of trash it was. So things are going to change for Skyrim? Doubt it.
[cutting out the responses to the other person]

IMO

1)You consider it a non-issue, while I consider it important. It could be worth discussing further.

2)You consider having no scripting as a bad thing. I would rather there be less scripting. It could be worth discussing further.

3)I do admit I am lucky, I encountered more good bad bugs than I encountered detrimental ones. In fact the only one I encountered was the game crashing one, which after a few patches, was sorted out for me. However this issue is very B&W. Bugs in general are unintentional and they are rampant in the Elder Scrolls games.

4)Can you elaborate on "broken as shit"? People like to see improvement, which Skyrim's level scaling has been. I had no problems with the level scaling on Skyrim.

5)Moddability is a plus, no matter what (IMO). It doesn't sway decisions, but does it make a game better? I think it does. However I understand if you think that you shouldn't bring mods into whether you like a game or not.

You managed to put all my compliments in a negative light, probably with ease.

Now I am going to play with my feces. It is my favourite pastime.

 

[Epona]

You know what breaks immersion for me?

Sitting at my desk and the knowledge it's only a game.

I need the matrix, i hear that has good immersion.

And here I thought I was the only one like that. I never really understood the big deal about immersion. To me a video game is a card game with prettier effects. I don't get lost in the story, I enjoy the story as an outsider looking in.

I feel blessed that I don't care about immersion, otherwise I wouldn't enjoy any game. I have kids, I can't get LOST in a video game and I'm not sure I would want to.

I like Star Trek too but I would never dress up in a costume to go to a convention.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I tried to become a vampire Argonian and I swear to the divines it is impossible...

Online says the resistance to disease doesn't count Vampires, I'm calling bullshit.

It's possible, but it can be a bit of a pain. You basically have to let a vampire attack you until you contract it. I had to reload like 5 times before I got it.

Just keep with it, shouldn't take long.

Jeez, I should have picked an Argonian for my character. I can barely walk out of my house without contracting Rockjoint or Brain Rot or one of the several diseases the game offers.

Sod's law my friend.

Whenever you don't want to catch something, you get it the first time a wolf attacks you after you've left town.

Actually want a disease? You have to actually make an effort.

The world is weird like that.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I'm not fond of Skyrim, but this is obvious trolling. -1 internets.

 

[Syzygy23]

Other people would like an immersive RPG experience, which Bethesda is still unable to provide in any way, since every NPC still acts like a lobotomized robot.

What did you expect when you bought the game? You knew Bethesda has horrifyingly bad writers, you knew that the Elder Scrolls series has no depth whatsoever and only excels in open-world gameplay (as in exploration) and you knew when you bought the game that you were going to play through a nearly brain-dead game.

It's like buying a fighting game and then complaining that it has fighting. Yes, Skyrim is shallow, generally has an awful plot, mostly awful characters, choices with little to no consequences, nearly no character development anywhere, awful voice acting, glitchy and broken gameplay (and surprisingly a really mediocre soundtrack), but it was never about these things. It's about getting the opportunity to explore a vast landscape, character customization and the freedom to do nearly anything you want.

I bought it as well, because I was told that the game had actual depth. But you don't see me creating a thread and ranting about it, because I should have known it didn't. It's not the kind of RPG I enjoy playing and it's my fault and only my fault for buying it. There are different sub-genre's within the RPG genre and every game does not need to be created to cater to my tastes. If you don't like it, play something else. Planescape: Torment for example.



Although I do find it hilarious how whenever someone says something bad about Skyrim, everyone suddenly gets irritated. Because if it's a game that people generally dislike (or mass effect 2), no one minds having dozens of threads dedicated to whining. This entire forum nearly consists out of whining about things we don't like, so I don't see why this thread is any worse.

You have an imagination don't you? Solved most of my problems with Skyrim. Actually, now that I think about it, imagination has solved most of the problems with EVERY game I've ever played...

Stop expecting games to do everything for you and your experience will assuredly improve.

Also, can someone tell me what standard we're supposed to be holding skyrims physics/animations against? Because compared to Oblivion they are VASTLY superior.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Now I am going to play with my feces. It is my favourite pastime.

You only THINK it's your favorite pastime.

BECAUSE OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Seriously, good for you. You aren't as edgy and rebellious for claiming that you don't like the game. It isn't God's gift to man. No one ever said it was perfect.

It's just universally been agreed that it's a good game. Therefore when someone like you sees a flaw in it, they sort of have this mental process where they think "Wait. Something is wrong with the game. But everyone likes it. But there's something wrong with it. INFORM THE WORLD ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS!"

Also, another thing that's been bothering me. People are complaining about the NPC's being mechanical, boring, same voices, yad di dah...

How many other games out there have literally an entire fictional Country filled with characters you can interact with? Where just about 80% of the characters who aren't out to kill you, you can have full conversations with and learn the lore?

I'm not to keen on Skyrim either. The strange thing is that almost everyone who talks about Skyrim can go into deep essay style discussions of the games failings, then end it all by saying "but I still like the game" without giving a real reason why. I think the Extra Credits review of the intro is a good example of this (don't think I can post a link, just google it). They essentially go on for half an hour about how Bethesda's dev team must be 80% chimpasee, then end on a "now I'm going to go play more Skyrim" note. It's like people are somehow afraid to come out and admit that the games just not very good.

Because they still like it? I was able to tear apart the old Call of Duty games before MW3, but I loved them. They were amazing to me.

This is the same thing. The creators of this game managed to make a Country filled with characters, a certain level of design that looks amazing and is filled with detail, with quests out the ass. Magic, puzzles, and a world that practically lives around you.

Is it perfect? No. Something of this magnitude is going to have a good deal of problems that bring it down. That's the negative part about making a huge game. But if you legitimately think it's a bad game, you have standards that are ten years ahead of our time.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I feel this way about Oblivion.

 

[Wolfhowl the shadow lurker]

skyrim lived up to everything it could have been a damn good game like any game it has a few bugs and faws if you dont like it fine dont play but you cant just say i dont like therefore its bad

skyrim is a well made game lots of people like it it is not shit

 

[Kristian Fischer]

And I feel nothing.

This game literally has been one of the most miserable gaming experiences of my life.

I hope I forget about Skyrim, the biggest load of shit I have ever had on my harddrive.

You were expecting an Escapist forum badge?

 

[Mythrignoc]

It's the media hype that leads people to believe it's either going to be the best damn game in the world, or a horrifying disappointment.

However, if people were to try and take Skyrim for what it is, it's a pretty damn good game with a solid, even if cliched story.

Skyrim to me is a major improvement over oblivion on every area. The combat is much more intense and interactive (simply moving back and forth while striking isn't the end all tactic like it was in Morrowind and Oblivion), spells are far more dynamic and balanced (no powerleveling the shit out of alteration just by casting it while destruction is left behind), the NPC's while redundant, at least have far more interesting things to say (I'd TOTALLY fucking take the Arrow to the Knee comments over "I saw a mudcrab the other day, disgusting things. Bye."), and there are countless other things that work so well in this.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Does it have flaws, more than enough to occasionally break a game. But, if you can look past some of the inconsistencies, flaws and bugs, it can be a great gaming experience.

That said, if you can't look past the bugs/flaws in a game as massive as this then no, you won't enjoy the game and you're also kind of an idiot to think that this game would be perfect.


Bethesda isn't about perfection; their forte lies in scale and epicness. Bit by bit, they're improving their formula for combining that with the "Be whatever you want to be, and do whatever you want to do" sort of gameplay and while I don't imagine the next game will be the golden ticket either, personally, I'm patient enough to give them a chance.

After the catastrofuck that was oblivion, this game fixed about 90% of my issues with oblivion and gave me a really wonderful experience, and while I hated bethesda before for what they did with oblivion, I can't overlook how much they've improved and I think they deserve some credence.

 

[Bigeyez]

Wow so you played hours and hours of a game hating it the whole time just because of what some people on some forum told you? That's pretty sad. Anyways thanks for sharing you don't like Skyrim. I liked it! Awesome thread.