I just uninstalled Skyrim

[Bruenin]

I'm not to keen on Skyrim either. The strange thing is that almost everyone who talks about Skyrim can go into deep essay style discussions of the games failings, then end it all by saying "but I still like the game" without giving a real reason why. I think the Extra Credits review of the intro is a good example of this (don't think I can post a link, just google it). They essentially go on for half an hour about how Bethesda's dev team must be 80% chimpasee, then end on a "now I'm going to go play more Skyrim" note. It's like people are somehow afraid to come out and admit that the games just not very good.

People like terrible things... McDonalds.... movies like Twilight... etc. Are you really surprised

 

[Epona]

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Buh?

They're extraordinarily similar, sharing almost all the same virtues and all the same flaws.

Hate Skyrim if that floats your boat. But sold out TES fans? Good grief, people.

Maybe you haven't noticed all the "Oblivion sucked, Skyrim is the best game ever!" posts?

...apart from the fact that Oblivion is one of 4 Elder Scrolls games that came before Skyrim? It lived up to and blew apart my expectations, as a person who loved Morrowind, likes Daggerfall and can't stand Oblivion.

Why can't you stand Oblivion but like Morrowind and Skyrim?

 

[Duffeknol]

Ah yes the egotism of gamers, "I don't like it, it's not perfect so it sucks and everyone else should hate it to."If you got 10 pages of people calling you a troll, it's probably because you came off like one.

Yeah funny thing. No. My words were harsh, but not irrational or inflammatory. The reason I got burned to death was because no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right. It wasn't until after the game came out that the first threads that completely agreed with me started seeping in.

 

[Duffeknol]

Also, enough with the 'so you didn't like it big deal don't make a thread about it'. Shut up.

This is a forum for gaming discussion. I disliked a game and I stated my reasons. I wanted to write this thread because I was frustrated with the game, and after posting it, I felt better. This had led to a discussion.

How about I turn your own weapons against you: if you don't want to read about people having a negative opinion on a game you like, don't click those threads and don't reply. This point is as moot as yours.

EDIT: copy pasted this to OP as well

 

[Aerosteam]

How about you ask someone else who actually DOES think that this game is the best game ever, maybe someone who has spent 100-200 hours on it.

Hmm, I've spent that amount of time on it and I don't think it's the best game ever.

OT: It's the sheer amount of content in the game that makes someone want to play it more.
You say the NPCs act like lobotomized robots, but if you look at the NPCs in the majority of other RPGs, the ones in Skyrim do hell of a lot more. Also the NPCs that appear to be unkillable are the ones essential to a quest.

'arrow to the knee'

I don't get why anyone who says they've heard that line too much always say the wrong line. It's arrow IN the knee. God damn it.

 

[Athinira]

He is, however, right when he says that if you think Skyrim is a good game (or a display of good game design), then you have very low standards indeed.

When were you elected the arbiter of what constitutes good games, or good game design? I've looked for your credentials on Google, and I haven't been able to find anything.

Good game design is, of course, arguable.

The fact that Skyrim fans can never amount their arguments to anything more than "I love it" is a great indicator though.

What is an objective fact, however, is that Bethesda has cut a lot of corners when creating Skyrim, corners they didn't need to cut. You can argue that they believe that they got through cutting those corners very well, but they still cut them, and that's lazy, no matter how you put it, and leaves a lot of wasted potential.

 

[SextusMaximus]

Your hatred is the inverse of the game's hype, and it's BECAUSE of the hype you hate it so much, so it seems.

 

[squeekenator]

Yeah funny thing. No. My words were harsh, but not irrational or inflammatory. The reason I got burned to death was because no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right. It wasn't until after the game came out that the first threads that completely agreed with me started seeping in.

Seriously? How self-centred do you want to be? "Oh, no one actually has any rational argument, they simply refuse to accept the self-evident truth that I'm right because that would tear apart their Skyrim-loving sheep-minds." Or maybe people actually have good reasons for what they say, but that's just a ridiculous idea, dunno why I even bothered to say it.

 

[Duffeknol]

Your hatred is the inverse of the game's hype, and it's BECAUSE of the hype you hate it so much, so it seems.

This is true. I would've liked the game a lot more if I didn't feel "goddamnit, but I was right about this!" all the time. This is a sad thing, and wholly my own fault, but it doesn't make it any better for me either.

 

[Hal10k]

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Buh?

They're extraordinarily similar, sharing almost all the same virtues and all the same flaws.

Hate Skyrim if that floats your boat. But sold out TES fans? Good grief, people.

Maybe you haven't noticed all the "Oblivion sucked, Skyrim is the best game ever!" posts?

...apart from the fact that Oblivion is one of 4 Elder Scrolls games that came before Skyrim? It lived up to and blew apart my expectations, as a person who loved Morrowind, likes Daggerfall and can't stand Oblivion.

Why can't you stand Oblivion but like Morrowind and Skyrim?

The common sentiments that I have seen point out the somewhat generic environment design, copy-and-paste locations, comically bad voice acting, the flawed leveling system, and the fact that all of the NPCs looked like potatoes. Many people who disliked Oblivion for these reasons felt that Skyrim addressed these concerns well.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yeah funny thing. No. My words were harsh, but not irrational or inflammatory. The reason I got burned to death was because no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right. It wasn't until after the game came out that the first threads that completely agreed with me started seeping in.

The "funny thing" is that you don't understand that presenting your opinion as "right", and that the people who disagree with you just "can't wrap their head around it", is inflammatory.

 

[Duffeknol]

Yeah funny thing. No. My words were harsh, but not irrational or inflammatory. The reason I got burned to death was because no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right. It wasn't until after the game came out that the first threads that completely agreed with me started seeping in.

Seriously? How self-centred do you want to be? "Oh, no one actually has any rational argument, they simply refuse to accept the self-evident truth that I'm right because that would tear apart their Skyrim-loving sheep-minds." Or maybe people actually have good reasons for what they say, but that's just a ridiculous idea, dunno why I even bothered to say it.

Sigh. Listen, I was THE first person on this forum who had a negative opinion on Skyrim, because I was one of the first people to have played it here. People went completely nuts when one of the first threads they saw had negative things to say about the game. Thing was, no one COULD say anything about the game yet, because THEY hadn't played it yet. But STILL they decided to attack me and yelled nothing but 'OMG U HAVE 2 B WRONG U R A TROLL FUK U'. Yeah, that pissed me off. For fuck's sakes these people admitted to not having played the game yet. Instead of simply not believing me, and waving it off as 'I don't believe you, I'll see for myself when it's out for me", they told me I was fucking wrong, called me troll, and wanted my head on a spike. Without. Having. Played. Themselves.

Yeah funny thing. No. My words were harsh, but not irrational or inflammatory. The reason I got burned to death was because no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right. It wasn't until after the game came out that the first threads that completely agreed with me started seeping in.

The "funny thing" is that you don't understand that presenting your opinion as "right", and that the people who disagree with you just "can't wrap their head around it", is inflammatory.

Same goes for you. I didn't present my opinion as right. I merely stated there were some things I didn't like about Skyrim.

 

[Athinira]

Okay, first things first:
That analogy man... I didn't like it, it didn't help you express your point to me... at all.

But anyways, as I was about to say... enjoying a universally acclaimed game means I have low standards?

No, that's what i just said. Enjoyment is personal, and can vary from person to person. It's people inability to IGNORE their enjoyment, and see something for what it really is.

I'll let you in on a little secret: I enjoyed and had fun with Skyrim too (not as much as some other 2011 games, but more than some others). That, however, doesn't prevent me from seeing that it's a terribly designed games with more wasted potential than I've seen in a long time.

I don't judge Skyrims game design by how much fun i had with it. I'm judging it by how much fun i feel I'm missing out on if a more competent studio created the game.


And yes, the analogy was terrible. I agree, so here is a (slightly) better one: I can't tell you that you can't (or shouldn't) enjoy candy, but i can tell you that candy won't do your teeth nor your health any good.

Your standards are too high.

Not really. Skyrim could have been a 10 times better game and possibly (and well deserved) be crowned game of the century rather than the year. That's how much missed potential i see in it. Many of Skyrims individual parts are substandard by many other games, but together they become more than the sum of their parts. Now imagine what the game could look like if those elements individually weren't substandard.

 

[Fishyash]

How about you ask someone else who actually DOES think that this game is the best game ever, maybe someone who has spent 100-200 hours on it.

Hmm, I've spent that amount of time on it and I don't think it's the best game ever.

You're right, that was probably accurate about a month or 2 ago.

Although I think even after all this time, if you spent over 300 hours on it I think it's a bit... excessive, especially since the Skyrim creation toolset hasn't come out yet.

 

[Epona]

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Buh?

They're extraordinarily similar, sharing almost all the same virtues and all the same flaws.

Hate Skyrim if that floats your boat. But sold out TES fans? Good grief, people.

Maybe you haven't noticed all the "Oblivion sucked, Skyrim is the best game ever!" posts?

...apart from the fact that Oblivion is one of 4 Elder Scrolls games that came before Skyrim? It lived up to and blew apart my expectations, as a person who loved Morrowind, likes Daggerfall and can't stand Oblivion.

Why can't you stand Oblivion but like Morrowind and Skyrim?

The common sentiments that I have seen point out the somewhat generic environment design, copy-and-paste locations, comically bad voice acting, the flawed leveling system, and the fact that all of the NPCs looked like potatoes. Many people who disliked Oblivion for these reasons felt that Skyrim addressed these concerns well.

It didn't though.

Skyrim has:

- generic environment design (ie, mountains and snow vs forests)
- copy and paste locations
- bad voice acting and comic dialog (ie, the arrow to the knee and the horrific german accent)
- the level scaling system is better but not by much
- The NPC's do look better but that hardly helps gameplay

 

[Fishyash]

No, that's what i just said. Enjoyment is personal, and can vary from person to person. It's people inability to IGNORE their enjoyment, and see something for what it really is.

There is lots that Skyrim did wrong. You can criticize a lot of games with ease. In fact (broken record mode) it is a lot easier to criticize a game than to look past criticisms and compliment something.

You can come up with more criticisms for your favourite game than compliments for your least favourite game. I can come up with way more criticisms for Skyrim than I can compliment it, even though I think it is one of the better games of 2011 that I played.

Overall? I think Skyrim definately did too much wrong to be a shining example of game design, starting with the fixed release date. For example, Blizzard pushes back their stuff again and again to try and make an extremely well polished game. Not enough AAA game developers do that. I'm not talking about just with D3, which is excessive, but they do it with starcraft, WoW patches and expansions, etc..

I don't judge Skyrims game design by how much fun i had with it. I'm judging it by how much fun i feel I'm missing out on if a more competent studio created the game.

People expect a bethesda game. They tend to see the pitfalls coming, and are already willing to look past them before the game even comes out. Compared to say Bioware's (Bethesda's seemingly main competitor) new games...

And yes, the analogy was terrible. I agree, so here is a (slightly) better one: I can't tell you that you can't (or shouldn't) enjoy candy, but i can tell you that candy won't do your teeth nor your health any good.

To be honest I was going to mention junk food in my response, but decided not to bother editing my post with worries I wasn't getting the analogy.

Speaking of editing, if this is a double post, then apologies. I heard that if I edit in a quote, the quoted person won't recieve a message.

 

[Phlakes]

I didn't present my opinion as right.

no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right.

I would've liked the game a lot more if I didn't feel "goddamnit, but I was right about this!" all the time.

I think I found the problem here. Congratulations, you don't like Skyrim, we disagree with you, none of us are right or wrong, etc.

And on second thought, I don't have a problem with people making threads like this, but you yourself said you already have. Why does this exist? Especially when you already knew how it would turn out? You got burned once, and you willingly threw yourself back in the fire.

 

[Hal10k]

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Buh?

They're extraordinarily similar, sharing almost all the same virtues and all the same flaws.

Hate Skyrim if that floats your boat. But sold out TES fans? Good grief, people.

Maybe you haven't noticed all the "Oblivion sucked, Skyrim is the best game ever!" posts?

...apart from the fact that Oblivion is one of 4 Elder Scrolls games that came before Skyrim? It lived up to and blew apart my expectations, as a person who loved Morrowind, likes Daggerfall and can't stand Oblivion.

Why can't you stand Oblivion but like Morrowind and Skyrim?

The common sentiments that I have seen point out the somewhat generic environment design, copy-and-paste locations, comically bad voice acting, the flawed leveling system, and the fact that all of the NPCs looked like potatoes. Many people who disliked Oblivion for these reasons felt that Skyrim addressed these concerns well.

It didn't though.

Skyrim has:

- generic environment design (ie, mountains and snow vs forests)
- copy and paste locations
- bad voice acting and comic dialog (ie, the arrow to the knee and the horrific german accent)
- the level scaling system is better but not by much
- The NPC's do look better but that hardly helps gameplay

Like I said, people felt that Skyrim addressed these concerns. Something that feels unique or interesting to one person will feel generic or boring to another. Different people take up different cues from their surroundings. The people who are complimenting Skyrim over Oblivion are the ones who saw positive differences in the game.

 

[kinapuffar]

Also, enough with the 'so you didn't like it big deal don't make a thread about it'. Shut up.

This is a forum for gaming discussion. I disliked a game and I stated my reasons. I wanted to write this thread because I was frustrated with the game, and after posting it, I felt better. This had led to a discussion.

How about I turn your own weapons against you: if you don't want to read about people having a negative opinion on a game you like, don't click those threads and don't reply. This point is as moot as yours.

EDIT: copy pasted this to OP as well

Most people love it though. Maybe there's nothing wrong with the game, maybe there's something wrong with YOU.

Troloololol, did I blow your mind, bro?

Also, Skyrim doesn't have German accents, it has Scandinavian accents. (aside from the arnold one, and arnold isn't german, he's from Austria)
And the Scandinavian accents are spot on.

 

[Duffeknol]

I didn't present my opinion as right.

no one could possibly wrap his head around the fact that I might actually be right.

I would've liked the game a lot more if I didn't feel "goddamnit, but I was right about this!" all the time.

I think I found the problem here. Congratulations, you don't like Skyrim, we disagree with you, none of us are right or wrong, etc.

And on second thought, I don't have a problem with people making threads like this, but you yourself said you already have. Why does this exist? Especially when you already knew how it would turn out? You got burned once, and you willingly threw yourself back in the fire.

Final act of defiance? Hell I don't know. I do feel better, though.