I Like My Fighting F**ktoy's

[Don Incognito]

*Sigh*, Still no fighting d***os. Oh well.
There will be one someday. Back to the forum.

Saint's Row, man. You're welcome!

 

[Thorn14]

Nobody likes being told the thing they like is wrong.

 

[clippen05]

Don't understand why all games have to cater to all people. There is this thing called target marketing. if a company wants to make a game that is for, well, for males who are looking for some eye candy, that's perfectly fine. People who play FPSs don't go into a RTS game and complain because of the lack of first-person-shooting. Why should women go into a game that is clearly designed for men and take offence? Men don't call the shots for female-targeted media such as romance novels and chick flicks, which don't portray men very blandly, so why should women get all uppity about ONE genre of games?

Note that I said one. The problem arises when a game that is not designed for this market segment still is over-sexualised. Mario is a game for all ages, races, sexes, whatever. If they start to sexualise it, that would be a problem. But if the people behind Dead-or-Alive want to make a game about jiggling breasts, so be it. As long as the sexualisation doesn't spread into places where it is not warranted, then I don't see a problem. However, as it stands, many games that don't target a specific gender in the market are still sexualised. Many MOBAs all have the female characters with skimpy outfits, yet these games are not specifically marketed towards men; both genders 'Should' be able to enjoy them. But women might start to be put off by the fact that all the female characters are in bikinis while the men get to fight in real armour. Once again, game like bayonetta: target marketed for men, sexualisation is a-ok. Mass Effect: game not specifically oriented towards men, yet the women all run around in skin-tight outfits while the men get real armnour.

Let there be as many games like Dead-or-Alive as the world will permit. Just make sure that their treatment of women doesn't flow into games that are marketed for both men and women, unless of course, everyone is in a skimpy outfit with perfect bodies...

 

[Don Incognito]

There ARE as many games like Dead-or-Alive as the world (or the market) will permit. No one is coming to take your games away from you. Ever. Criticism is not censorship.

Everyone needs to calm down about this.

 

[Erttheking]

Nobody likes being told the thing they like is wrong.

When that actually happens, let me know.

 

[Rahkshi500]

A lot of people like sexy characters. I like them a lot. I know that there are people who don't. Those people have a right to criticize them. Likewise, we have a right to defend them and criticize the critics. I have my reasons for doing so. That's the whole point of having a discussion. Don't let discussions get too much to you, OP. Angry Joe said it best about our sexy fun times; as long as they sell, they will always exist.

-snip-

McIntosh is just one guy. Many people actually get turned off by the kind of behavior he exhibits.

 

[Thorn14]

McIntosh is just one guy. Many people actually get turned off by the kind of behavior he exhibits.

He said mention it when it happens.

 

[Rahkshi500]

McIntosh is just one guy. Many people actually get turned off by the kind of behavior he exhibits.

He said mention it when it happens.

Okay, sure. But honestly, is it really something that a lot of people are buying into just because one guy said it?

 

[Erttheking]

McIntosh is just one guy. Many people actually get turned off by the kind of behavior he exhibits.

He said mention it when it happens.

I'll admit that it does happen.

The way you word it though makes it sounds like it's the majority argument by people who disapprove of sexualization. that isn't the case.

 

[Vault101]

[sub/]now where did I put that crying baby picture?....hmm...no...better not[/sub]

look dude I don't really have the energy to explain objectification and what not but I would encourage you to step back for a second and understand no one is saying you're a terrible person for liking certain things

and your insistence that "probalems don't real" is not helping anyone

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

The ultimate cause of this "issue" is gamers losing their minds over someone else criticizing what they like. Instead of just ignoring that criticism and continuing to enjoy what they like, gamers feel the need to somehow convince the critic that their opinion is wrong - which is dumb. Why even bother?

If people just want to vocalize their opinion/criticism and that's completely fine, let them. If they want to label something as negative, let them - it's still nothing more than their opinion.

You as a gamer are inclined to give zero shits about what they have to say about the games you play.

Keep enjoying your fighting fucktoys because nobody is taking them away

 

[Rahkshi500]

Spoiler

Uh, increased aggression isn't the same as increase in violent crime. If it were, then we would be having more crimes being committed by people who were motivated by games, or had games as a catalyst for it.

 

[Don Incognito]

[sub/]now where did I put that crying baby picture?....hmm...no...better not[/sub]

Do you mean this one?

Spoiler

Because I LOVE that one. So many useful applications, like creeping people the fuck out, and... umm... hmm... well, one useful application, which is still one more than 90% of the posts in the Off-Topic.

 

[Thorn14]

McIntosh is just one guy. Many people actually get turned off by the kind of behavior he exhibits.

He said mention it when it happens.

I'll admit that it does happen.

The way you word it though makes it sounds like it's the majority argument by people who disapprove of sexualization. that isn't the case.

Well he IS the co-writer of the biggest voice in this issue right now.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Good for you. I don't, I think eye candy and fanservice are cheap and annoying and that they detract from the experience and make devs think they can use sex appeal to get away with lower quality writing and design.

Personally, I wouldn't see that revealing, even extremely revealing and blatantly sexualized, character designs are sexist, offensive, rape culture, misogynistic, etc. My criticism is much simpler: I think they just look stupid.

Now, it's all just entertainment and enjoyment of entertainment is subjective. If what you're looking for in your entertainment is eroticism, then that's fine, that can be entertaining. But personally, I'm looking for a more high-brow experience in my games.

See this is kind of what I'm talking about.

Its not that you have a different taste, its that you believe your taste to be superior to mine, its right there in the language you use.

Is a celebration of human sexuality and beauty really something to be looked down on? And what, exactly, in the gaming industry, offers a more "high-brow" experience that somehow disqualifies sex appeal as not just acceptable, but valid as a game design and story telling mechanic?

I mean I've been playing games since Space Invaders on upright consoles (can't claim Pong, it was invented the year I was born)...there aren't a lot of games I've played that I would consider "high brow" experiences, they're games...they are, by their very definition, indulgences of fantasy and wish fulfillment.

Now granted there are trash games, lots of them, but most of them can't even use sex to try to up their horrifying qualities.

So in the end, what I'm saying is its right there in your language and your attitude...you're basically demeaning me for openly admitting that I like women in my games, sexual, tastefully sexualized, whatever...you're basically saying that I'm somehow less intelligent or have lower standards than you do...just because of that.

I'd be interested in seeing what does meet your standards.

So, what you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that other people passionately disliking the things you like, is somehow an attack on your character. Man, I think I know what your problem is and the solution is simple...

Build a Bridge, and get the fuck over it.

Ironically, if I was to take this comment, I could easily assume you think lesser of people who don't "appreciate" sex in the same way you do. In fact, your post has an implicit udnertone of people not sharing your views hate the female body:

"Is a celebration of human sexuality and beauty really something to be looked down on?"

WOW. Now that's a loaded question. And you have the gall to call out the other persons language. Man, your going to hate what I have to say:

TnA is not a celebration of human sexuality no more then beating your dick at night is expression of self appreciation. It's gratification, it's selfish, pure and simple. Sex is the lowest common denominator. The vast majority of people "appreciate" it, you are not special in this regard. Men and Women both! There are distinct varieties of sexual expression, but they all stem from a very primitive and very instinct driven desire. It's pandering. Accept it. Own it. Love it.

Note: It can be artistic, but from what I've seen so far, that's not what you are defending. You just want the eye candy on your battlemage or skin tight leather with complimentary boob window on your elite agent.

TnA is the grizzled commando power fantasy of sexuality. It's not special, it doesn't seek to be revered, it offers momentary and gratuitous satisfaction. Fucking Ace! I'll have some of that... when I feel like it. Meanwhile, when I think it's just shoehorned into a production just to tick off some demographic check list, I'll fucking call it out and give em' what for.

I think CoD is stupid. I find it utterly trite and vapid, the most cynical type of production on the market at the moment. Does this bother you? If it does, I highly recommend you reevaluate, because you having an inferiority complex towards my tastes will not change my taste in games, or my derision towards them. It will just make you feel bad. Which as far as I'm concerned means "tough shit".

Just like easy singles cheese can cheapen a sandwich, TnA can cheapen a game. But man do easy singles make for some quick and satisfying toasties. Just don't serve it to me and call it gourmet.

[sub/]now where did I put that crying baby picture?....hmm...no...better not[/sub]

Do you mean this one?

Spoiler

Because I LOVE that one. So many useful applications, like creeping people the fuck out, and... umm... hmm... well, one useful application, which is still one more than 90% of the posts in the Off-Topic.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I grew up in a world where women are equal to men. I grew up in a world where gay relationships are completely normal. I grew up in a world where what made people happy was just fine as long as no one lost an eye.

Oh hello there, and let me be the first to welcome you to Earth. Unfortunately, we aren't anywhere near that advanced yet, but we are working on it.

Indeed, what planet are you from? On Earth women are shamed for the clothes they wear, are not paid as much as men, have a casual fear of rape, are assaulted for saying no to men, and there are many other ways women are oppressed.
You may be a feminist, you may have grown up with feminists, but overall the world is not feminist.

On the subject of video games though, you can play what you want, just avoid the ones that uses women as trophies, and objects.

 

[Don Incognito]

[sub/]now where did I put that crying baby picture?....hmm...no...better not[/sub]

Do you mean this one?

Spoiler

Because I LOVE that one. So many useful applications, like creeping people the fuck out, and... umm... hmm... well, one useful application, which is still one more than 90% of the posts in the Off-Topic.

See? It totally works! It's like a superpower!

Also, Rags, that was a very enjoyable read, and I agree with you 100%. We gamers are a twitchy, sensitive bunch; we'd all be way, way, way better off if we didn't get so personally devoted to the cause of unceasing praise and hosannas for our favorite games/genres/tropes/etc.

 

[DementedSheep]

Fine just don?t expect everyone to respect the character for anything other than the fuck toy they are or pretend being a masturbation aid is ?empowering?.