I liked the ending to Mass Effect 3

[Bara_no_Hime]

**snip**

I thought it was okay. Not great, but not awful. My worst comment is that if felt hastily put together and had several plot holes.

Plot Hole: How did Liara get back to the Normandy? And why isn't she dead? Or with me? I am now confused.

As for the choices, I was actually fairly okay with that. It was bizarre AI logic, but it made sense, particularly since it explained what Harbinger was talking about in ME2. I guess that Reapers are some sort of collective Borg-like combination of the minds of everyone they liquify to be created? Plus, I liked the idea of my Shepard being the benevolent Overmind of the Reapers post game.

... I guess that makes the Reapers sheep?

 

[LordofPurple]

Also, inb4 Zeel.

I cannot believe you just summoned Zeel like that. HOW COULD YOU

OT: I think it could be a good ending, just not for mass effect, it doesn't fit with the game

He has YET to show up, however. Odd. Did we forget one of the magic words?

I was personally okay with the ending, because I've faced FAAAR worse disappointments before.
The only thing I will happily concede to the obnoxiousness surrounding the ending is that the fact the Normandy escaped makes zero sense. In any context. It was just a gaping plot-hole they put there by (what I'm sure was) complete accident.

 

[JackandTom]

Having no analytical skills must be a blessing for you then. Because Bioware introduced more than 10 major plot holes in the last 10 minutes.

Ha, maybe I can look past the plot holes and see a decent ending? Plenty of great movie's have plot holes.

Alright, alright. The fact Ashley stepped off the Normandy pissed me off. I can see why many think he plot holes are inexcusable , but if this is how Bioware wanted to end the series, then I'm fine with it. I also can see why it's a bit controversial with the fans, but I liked it.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Oh this is sad... very sad.
People are actually hating on you right now.

This is a new low for humanity. It basically boils down to 'stop liking what i don't like'.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Let's see. I am actually paid to analyze things...so, analytical skills? Yep I have them.

And I should believe you because you say so? If that was the case you wouldn't say "payed to analyze things" you'd give an accurate job description. But now it's too late. You can now simply Google job descriptions that require analytical work. And you would probably do that if I haven't just said this. Now see, that's analysis. No stone left unturned.

There are hundreds of videos on YouTube about plot holes in Mass Effect 3. The biggest 2 being Reaper motivations and building the Crucible. Angry Joe made a video where he specifically explained 10 plot holes. But there are more, which you would know if you were able to analyze things, or if you were even remotely interested in such things.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

What was the paragon ending? Control? Definitely didn't seem the Paragon one, I thought destroy was the right option personally. Controlling the Reapers against their free will is something a paragon Shepard would definitely not do, in fact he's just agreeing with TIM so is a very renegade type character.

Because it was the Paragon option for the Geth in ME2.

Rewrite or destroy. Rewrite is paragon, Destroy is Renegade.

Control in ME3 doesn't kill the Geth or EDI. Also, since the Catalyst already controls them, you aren't taking away their free will - they never had free will to begin with. Actually, it sounded like Shepard was going to become the mind of the Reapers - so they would suddenly gain free will as Shepard's new body.

Besides, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers to enslave the rest of the galaxy. Shepard is doing it to protect everyone.

Oh, and while this isn't explained, Control does less or no damage to Earth (depending on fleet size) whereas Destroy always does some damage to Earth (more or less depending on fleet size).

 

[bluesession]

I usualy just lurk. But i like to say something about the ending too. (though i don't think is fair for this forums to make yet another thread about ME3 ending)

I mostly agree with the op.

It sucked that everything you did up until that moment dind't matter at all. And yes there is that mayor plothole where joker is running away from battle (WHAT?)
I did like that the mass relays blowed up, i belive it was the only way to stop the reapers once and for all.

So it mostly sucked, but that doesn't really destroys the game for me. I really had fun those 30 hours before the end and that final run towards the light with the reaper shooting his shit towards everything (that wasn't you at first )... THAT was epic. And I definitly will remember it as a great game moment.
I guess the ENDING sucked but the PRE-ENDING was epic.

Anyways, that is why i don't belive it deserves so much nonsensical hate. It's true bioware totally drop the ball on the ending. But even with this terrible ending, I belive pretty much everyone (except who wrote the ending ) deserves an aplausse for the great game they made.

So.. No more hate! lets talk about how tali killed herself because I had to choose between her asshole people and the pretty much pacefull geth and, of course, I choose the geth.
Every one last quarian was obliterated beacause their best thought "hey, since we are at war with some giant machines who come to destroy everything... Why dont we get every quarian in the galaxy in a single fleet and throw it against another machines who:
a)they really dont want us dead and b) we have never defeated."

 

[endtherapture]

What was the paragon ending? Control? Definitely didn't seem the Paragon one, I thought destroy was the right option personally. Controlling the Reapers against their free will is something a paragon Shepard would definitely not do, in fact he's just agreeing with TIM so is a very renegade type character.

Because it was the Paragon option for the Geth in ME2.

Rewrite or destroy. Rewrite is paragon, Destroy is Renegade.

Control in ME3 doesn't kill the Geth or EDI. Also, since the Catalyst already controls them, you aren't taking away their free will - they never had free will to begin with. Actually, it sounded like Shepard was going to become the mind of the Reapers - so they would suddenly gain free will as Shepard's new body.

Besides, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers to enslave the rest of the galaxy. Shepard is doing it to protect everyone.

Oh, and while this isn't explained, Control does less or no damage to Earth (depending on fleet size) whereas Destroy always does some damage to Earth (more or less depending on fleet size).

Suppose that's true, it's a stupid Paragon option though. Rewriting someone's personality and beliefs is a lot more evil than just killing them.

I went Destroy. It's the best option, Shepard can live, the Reapers are truly destroyed, Earth is pretty much unharmed too.

Felt way more Paragon than the "control the Reapers" ending which makes far less sense, Sovereign says Shepard can't even begin to comprehend the Reapers, so controlling them is just stupid.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Basically, why I don't like the endings boils down to this: **images cut**

Yes, but here's the thing - that was an impossible expectation.

With the constraints of modern game budgets and game design, a branching ending like that just wasn't physically possible.

Did people really expect this? Cause I didn't. I knew that, while it would have been awesome, it was never going to happen that way. The game was going to have one ending with variations, just like ME 1 and 2.

At most, I figured there would be a "you save earth" and "you destroy earth" endings - which there are. The fact that there are actually a rather large number of flavors of that (earth blown up, earth scorched, earth singed, or earth no worse than it was before you picked your ending) was actually more options that I expected.

See, this is why I wasn't upset with the ending - I had realistic expectations.

Now, if only Liara (or other final squadmates) could use her (their) magical teleporation powers to get you to the Citadel sooner, you wouldn't have to walk around the final scenes like a limping burn victim, and the members of Hammer wouldn't have gotten slaughtered.

 

[Aerosteam]

Debates and opinions can differ someone's belief especially if it's something based on a video game or matter that doesn't scale on their life's morals for say. But, to me even though I watched the Indoctrination video.. I still think it's utterly bad to have as the ending of Mass Effect.

Why?

Well.. why couldn't they of had it sooner or before the ending? Even if it actually is true, the theory doesn't explain the other events like the man telling the child a story or how Shepard's crew was on The Normandy crashing onto a tropical planet. Those pieces were random even for the theory itself to be included. Besides that, Casey Hudson and some other dude made the ending without anyone's feedback or opinion about it so that's why the ending feels very rushed, hollow, and literally defying what Mass Effect is all about - choice. 95% of all the endings are the same but color differs and a lot more stuff I feel about the ending. This video summarizes my feelings up perfectly including input on the theory everyone's coming up with as true.

I only choose to follow the Indoctrination Theory because I don't like the ending BioWare gave me. I could just go with it and accept the plot holes but I choose not to. The ending to Mass Effect 3 was not good, so I might as well make one up myself and accept that, then I saw the Indoctrination Theory and thought that it was a decent assumption, so I went with it. Now, I like the ending although it wasn't the one I was given or told that it was the real one or not.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Felt way more Paragon than the "control the Reapers" ending which makes far less sense, Sovereign says Shepard can't even begin to comprehend the Reapers, so controlling them is just stupid.

Um, except that the Reapers can build Mass Relays. Which means you can bypass that whole "no more relays" bit with the Paragon option.

Oh, and with Synthesis, everyone can just use FTL to get around. Sure it takes years and years to get anywhere, but who cares, everyone's immortal.

Destroy is Renegade because it takes out the Reapers, the Geth, EDI, and prevents easy reconstruction of the relays while also failing to remove their need (which synthesis may). It's victory at any cost, including one race, one friend, and the future of the galactic economy.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Suppose that's true, it's a stupid Paragon option though. Rewriting someone's personality and beliefs is a lot more evil than just killing them.

I went Destroy. It's the best option, Shepard can live, the Reapers are truly destroyed, Earth is pretty much unharmed too.

Felt way more Paragon than the "control the Reapers" ending which makes far less sense, Sovereign says Shepard can't even begin to comprehend the Reapers, so controlling them is just stupid.

...Not really. IF you take the Reaper King at face value (a poor idea, but let's work with it), "Destroy" will also kill the Geth and EDI, "Control" will result in EVERYONE living as Shepard can force the Reapers to stop their attack and use them to assist the races in rebuilding, and "Synthesis" doesn't actually rewrite anyone's personality or beliefs.

 

[Gigatoast]

Good for you, if they come out with a different set of endings for their other fans you wont have to download it. Don't really understand why someone who likes it would go out of their way to oppose the people who don't, we may disagree with you but we're not going to force you to accept new ones.

 

[endtherapture]

Suppose that's true, it's a stupid Paragon option though. Rewriting someone's personality and beliefs is a lot more evil than just killing them.

I went Destroy. It's the best option, Shepard can live, the Reapers are truly destroyed, Earth is pretty much unharmed too.

Felt way more Paragon than the "control the Reapers" ending which makes far less sense, Sovereign says Shepard can't even begin to comprehend the Reapers, so controlling them is just stupid.

...Not really. IF you take the Reaper King at face value (a poor idea, but let's work with it), "Destroy" will also kill the Geth and EDI, "Control" will result in EVERYONE living as Shepard can force the Reapers to stop their attack and use them to assist the races in rebuilding, and "Synthesis" doesn't actually rewrite anyone's personality or beliefs.

The two endings (aside from Destroy) are so poorly decribed.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Spoiler

Suppose that's true, it's a stupid Paragon option though. Rewriting someone's personality and beliefs is a lot more evil than just killing them.

I went Destroy. It's the best option, Shepard can live, the Reapers are truly destroyed, Earth is pretty much unharmed too.

Felt way more Paragon than the "control the Reapers" ending which makes far less sense, Sovereign says Shepard can't even begin to comprehend the Reapers, so controlling them is just stupid.

...Not really. IF you take the Reaper King at face value (a poor idea, but let's work with it), "Destroy" will also kill the Geth and EDI, "Control" will result in EVERYONE living as Shepard can force the Reapers to stop their attack and use them to assist the races in rebuilding, and "Synthesis" doesn't actually rewrite anyone's personality or beliefs.

The two endings (aside from Destroy) are so poorly decribed.

Consensus achieved. [/Legion]

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

I played and completed Mass Effect 3. I was pretty disappointed with the ending. But then I got on with my life.

 

[Major_Tom]

You went for paragon? Congratulations, you're now a husk!

I'm not even going to bother replying to you because of how stupid your post is... shit.

Ha!

But wait, didn't you say you liked the Indoctrination theory? Why is my post stupid then?

 

[RedDeadFred]

So you didn't mind that there was very little closure and that the entire reason for the Reaper's existence didn't make sense?

Or how about how Joker just randomly decides to flee the battle. Very uncharacteristic of him especially after what he did in the second game.

Also, how is it possible that Garrus, who I took with me on the final mission, somehow managed to come out of the crash landed Normandy?

It's not that it doesn't provide closure, is sad, or that your choices form the other games have little affect on it (I was perfectly fine with all that). It's that the ending actually doesn't make any logical sense.

And no the indoctrination theory doesn't work either because if your reputation score is too low at the end, you will only be given the option to kill the Reapers which means that they can't be setting up a trick if there can be a chance of only having the option to destroy them.

 

[Ninjat_126]

How?

Just... how?

You liked the glowing space child? You liked the killing-organics-to-prevent-them-being-killed explanation? You liked the vague and unjustified explanations of your final choices? You liked the near-identical endings regardless of choice? You liked the complete lack of closure regarding the characters and races?

How does one come to like these things?

The problems people are having aren't that the ending isn't "And then Shepard retired on Rannoch with Tali and drank beer with Garrus." Sure, there are people doing that, but there are people out there freaking out over Toy Story 3 because some of the characters didn't die in a fire.

The problem that 90% of the fanbase is having is that the ending has plot holes everywhere. Random space magic is possibly excusable, but having your main characters randomly teleport around the galaxy between cutscenes requires some form of explanation.

The other, major problem is the railroading. The ending is essentially you choosing the colour of the end screen, and you have no idea what happens to your squadmates, or allies, or the fleets you recruited to save Earth.


If you like the ending, I'm not going to flame you. But please tell us, what did you like about it?

 

[trooper6]

Let's see. I am actually paid to analyze things...so, analytical skills? Yep I have them.

And I should believe you because you say so? If that was the case you wouldn't say "payed to analyze things" you'd give an accurate job description. But now it's too late. You can now simply Google job descriptions that require analytical work. And you would probably do that if I haven't just said this. Now see, that's analysis. No stone left unturned.

There are hundreds of videos on YouTube about plot holes in Mass Effect 3. The biggest 2 being Reaper motivations and building the Crucible. Angry Joe made a video where he specifically explained 10 plot holes. But there are more, which you would know if you were able to analyze things, or if you were even remotely interested in such things.

Ah, I see...you don't actually have your own specific plot holes--you are just coasting off of Angry Joe's poorly put together video.

Angry Joe's top 10 are not actually 10 plot holes.

1&2 are basically the same one?with added kinds of hyperbole. The Normandy escape, which I already said didn't bother me. He also makes assumptions about seeing Joker flying away from an explosion means he is taking the cowards way out and they wouldn't leave Shepard. I disagree. If the Citadel explodes in a big explosion, you are going to fly away from the explosion. You'd plan on coming back...but you'd fly away.
3 is not a plothole, it is just a "There is going to be really bad fallout to the explosions of the mass effects relays--so that's dumb!"
4 is also not a plothole, it is a question of "I want to know what happens next"
5 is also not a plothole, just his desire fore a huge war cut scene?which wasn't the ultimate point of the war assets mechanic.
6 is also not a plothole, it is just a question of "I want to know what happens next."
7 is also not a plothole, it is just "I want a happy ending--and I want it all spelled out for me" I found my ending was a happy ending.
8 is also not a plothole, just "I hate the god child and I don't like his reasoning." Opinion, not plothole.
9 is also not a plothole, just a "I'm mad that I didn't have an Option where I could reject the whole thing." Whereas I found the synthesis ending to be exactly what my Shephard would have done.
10 is also not a plothole. Player choice does matter?it just matters throughout the whole game not just in the end.

Angry Joe has just lots and lots and lots of assumptions and opinions about what happens much of with is not supported--just him making stuff up. Which he has every right to do. But the video is not a video of plot holes. It is an video of things he doesn't like--mostly based on him just being a whiny person making up phantoms.

And as for not giving my specific job, I try to limit the personal information I give out in public forums.