viranimus said:
*/This is the last post, assuming that people here are more interested in watching hilarious voice acting instead of actually discusing something that keeps coming back since 8 months ago. Its kinda what you get when you make claims that opens even MORE questions. We call it "Voodoo Shark"/*
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.................but part of my ramblings included questions that are BEYOND the issue that has been adressed a hundred millions time. This time is not if the ending sucks or not, or if the fans were childish or not (i am pretty sure that i already adresses that the fans were calm and responsible before BW went Orwellian and started to supress opinions and threads on the forums and such)
Its my same question that i do every thread and STILL dont get an answer either because the thread is already dead of people dont know what they are talking about and are just spouting the "if you change it, is no longer art" claim in order to win an argument, in the same way some people uses that war hungry dictator with a particular muschate that must not be named to wins.
So anything conserning ME3 can go fuck itself because i dont even play the bloody thing and i am here for research and to see how useful is going to be gaming after having idiots pulling the "its art, you cant touch this". Not to know if the curvaceous, cocky and clever Quarian squadmember gets Talibrated by the Epsilon 9 reject from "Alien Soldier".
Well of course the ending wraps thing up because...
NO
its a Deus Ex Machina and...
SHUT UP, I DONT WANT TO HEAR
that is
LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU
what its supposed to do
BULLSHIT IS THE MIND KILLER
.........
Is he gone? good.
Like any other discusion, if one makes a claim then it must be elaborated to be understood. If the crap of "games are art" pops up then the definition of art must be elaborated IF such thing had a meaning in the first place, otherwise using that term has no place in the discusion because it leads to nowhere. Its like the Chewbaka Defense, its used to make the opponent shut up at ANY cost and win by default because there is no way to make a decent come back at something so stupid. This has to stop not by being ignored but by adressing it once and for all or else it will keep coming back.
So, members of Escapist, do you want me to find more HILARIOUS glitches or "heart wrenching" moments like "STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE" OR we are going to discuss shit for real?
The issue is now: why DEMANDING better writing OR any change to the "vision" of the artist is going to set back X medium or make the work of art worse if:
1)The change seems to work for the better because it restores willing participation of the audience
2)Makes the events follow the three modes of persuasion in perfect balance: phatos, ethos and logos
3)The artist may notice that such execution of its art (regarless if intentional or not) actually makes his work meaningless if presented that way, thus a change may be beneficial.
4)"Changing" in any shape or form is not nesesarily a bad thing. For example, i used before "The Venus De Milo" (warning: artistic nudity in the image)
It lost the arms when it was discovered so you may think that whatever meaning it had was also lost, but the fact of the matter is that LOOSING the arms made it more beautiful because of the mystery of "what could have been the position of the arms?" So even if the original meaning of was lost, it could still achieve greatness.
5)the "Changing the ending" fiasco is not something unique to ME3 (Fallout 3 and The Prince Of Persia Reboot comes to mind) and has been around in the medium of movies as well.
6)If ANY of those options fail and the artist want it the way he wants it, then he/she/it has to leave the rock its living and EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN DETAIL . Last time i check there isnt a law that prevents you from explaining your art or else it looses the status of art (unless of course the person is a money grabbing douche that DEPENDS on the people making Headcannon to explain the nothingness in front of them) This allows the artist to show off that he/she/it knows what it does and the audience can not only trust the artist for further quality works but also to dust off any of the ideas that the audience didnt get.
Do we have something to work here now? Anyone?