I liked the Mass Effect 3 ending.

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DioWallachia said:
Agent 45 said:
I disagree with most people on here....

because I think the game was being broken beyond repair at Chronos station and went downhill from there, not just the last 10 minutes. No, I don't feel like elaborating, it's been half a year now, I have talked about it enough. (not on here though, see post count)

On top of that, this lovely scene from the endgame:

"Damnit, I'm hit!"

"Cortez!"

*Steve explodes*

"You're going to pay for that you bastards!"

"Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeerrrgggghhhhh!"
Sabor it. TASTE gaming history it its full glory:


love the comments there:

Shepard: "STEEEEEEEEVE!"

Stevie: "Im alright!"

Sheaprd: (Extremely disappointed he didn't die) "...You sure?"

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Kimberly Brooks: "Okay, what's my motivation?"

VA Director: "You are giving birth to a pineapple."

KB: "Got it."
Ahaha, damn I'm actually crying from that. Even if I did find some moments of the game touching (well,ones with just legion, Mordin and the rest of the non-humans) this is still hilariously bad.

Are they making a south park reference of something.

"You killed Steve!"

"You Bastards!"

"UGHAAHHAHAAAAU"




"... Are you done?"
"Yeah, must have been something I ate"
 

TheScientificIssole

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Eddie the head said:
TheScientificIssole said:
I remember reading a quote once buy I think Tolkien but it might have been Jules Verne. Anyway I can't remember exactly what was said but the main point of it was if you lose the willing participation of your audience then whatever your trying to say is lost. Meaning internal consistency has to be maintained. It don't matter what your themes are or if they are used in the ending even. If narrative coherence is lost whatever you where trying to say falls flat.

To put it simply the themes might be grate but the the story's not. And if the story's not the themes don't matter.
I loved the story too. Still don't understand. Sorry to point it out, but you need to clean up your writing. I know English isn't everybody's first or best language, but this post needs some edit work.
 

viranimus

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DioWallachia, Jesus tap dancing Christ! I stated in my previous post that continuing to argue this point with me would be a waste of time because any reason I give will be insufficient to you. You have made this abundantly clear. Now I am not going to report you but hells bells, repeatedly quoting me over and over again to goad me into responding to you is harassment and I may be no judge of what the mods would do, but that seems like something that they might evaluate.

I will make one final explanation on this. This is a blanket response to being quoted.
I saw all the uncut endings. I understood all the uncut endings. I am satisfied with the uncut endings because as far as I am concerned they more than sufficiently wrapped up the end of the trilogy. It wasnt the best ending ever, but it was a fitting ending exactly as it played out. It needed absolutely NO alteration.

If you do not agree, I am sorry you dont. But I am completely done responding to arguments I was able to scratch out back in march. If you disagree with my position we will have to agree to disagree unless some new evidence comes to light that has not already been stated. Otherwise it is wasting time spinning wheels deadlocked in a never ending circular argument and I have much better things to do with my time. So thank you for your opinions, and I appreciate you taking the time to read mine.
 

DioWallachia

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viranimus said:
*/This is the last post, assuming that people here are more interested in watching hilarious voice acting instead of actually discusing something that keeps coming back since 8 months ago. Its kinda what you get when you make claims that opens even MORE questions. We call it "Voodoo Shark"/*


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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.................but part of my ramblings included questions that are BEYOND the issue that has been adressed a hundred millions time. This time is not if the ending sucks or not, or if the fans were childish or not (i am pretty sure that i already adresses that the fans were calm and responsible before BW went Orwellian and started to supress opinions and threads on the forums and such)

Its my same question that i do every thread and STILL dont get an answer either because the thread is already dead of people dont know what they are talking about and are just spouting the "if you change it, is no longer art" claim in order to win an argument, in the same way some people uses that war hungry dictator with a particular muschate that must not be named to wins.

So anything conserning ME3 can go fuck itself because i dont even play the bloody thing and i am here for research and to see how useful is going to be gaming after having idiots pulling the "its art, you cant touch this". Not to know if the curvaceous, cocky and clever Quarian squadmember gets Talibrated by the Epsilon 9 reject from "Alien Soldier".

Well of course the ending wraps thing up because...

NO

its a Deus Ex Machina and...

SHUT UP, I DONT WANT TO HEAR

that is

LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU

what its supposed to do

BULLSHIT IS THE MIND KILLER

.........

Is he gone? good.

Like any other discusion, if one makes a claim then it must be elaborated to be understood. If the crap of "games are art" pops up then the definition of art must be elaborated IF such thing had a meaning in the first place, otherwise using that term has no place in the discusion because it leads to nowhere. Its like the Chewbaka Defense, its used to make the opponent shut up at ANY cost and win by default because there is no way to make a decent come back at something so stupid. This has to stop not by being ignored but by adressing it once and for all or else it will keep coming back.

So, members of Escapist, do you want me to find more HILARIOUS glitches or "heart wrenching" moments like "STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE" OR we are going to discuss shit for real?

The issue is now: why DEMANDING better writing OR any change to the "vision" of the artist is going to set back X medium or make the work of art worse if:

1)The change seems to work for the better because it restores willing participation of the audience

2)Makes the events follow the three modes of persuasion in perfect balance: phatos, ethos and logos

3)The artist may notice that such execution of its art (regarless if intentional or not) actually makes his work meaningless if presented that way, thus a change may be beneficial.

4)"Changing" in any shape or form is not nesesarily a bad thing. For example, i used before "The Venus De Milo" (warning: artistic nudity in the image)

It lost the arms when it was discovered so you may think that whatever meaning it had was also lost, but the fact of the matter is that LOOSING the arms made it more beautiful because of the mystery of "what could have been the position of the arms?" So even if the original meaning of was lost, it could still achieve greatness.

5)the "Changing the ending" fiasco is not something unique to ME3 (Fallout 3 and The Prince Of Persia Reboot comes to mind) and has been around in the medium of movies as well.

6)If ANY of those options fail and the artist want it the way he wants it, then he/she/it has to leave the rock its living and EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN DETAIL . Last time i check there isnt a law that prevents you from explaining your art or else it looses the status of art (unless of course the person is a money grabbing douche that DEPENDS on the people making Headcannon to explain the nothingness in front of them) This allows the artist to show off that he/she/it knows what it does and the audience can not only trust the artist for further quality works but also to dust off any of the ideas that the audience didnt get.

Do we have something to work here now? Anyone?
 

[Kira Must Die]

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I just beaten the game today, without the extended cut add-on.

It was an alright ending. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it with a venomous passion. Granted, I didn't even get the "best" ending.

I mean, I can sort of see where people are coming from, but I still enjoyed it. Maybe all the buzz about it made me lower my expectations, who knows, but I still think it's a bit silly that people were throwing hissy fits over it. I thought it was acceptable. It didn't ruin the rest of the game or franchise for me, and it was still a fun ride. I had about the same reaction to it as I did the Evangelion ending. I wouldn't be surprised if 20 years from now people will still be bitching about ME3's ending, just like how to this day people are still bitching about the Evangelion ending.
 

DioWallachia

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[Kira Must Die said:
]I just beaten the game today, without the extended cut add-on.

It was an alright ending. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it with a venomous passion. Granted, I didn't even get the "best" ending.

I mean, I can sort of see where people are coming from, but I still enjoyed it. Maybe all the buzz about it made me lower my expectations, who knows, but I still think it's a bit silly that people were throwing hissy fits over it. I thought it was acceptable. It didn't ruin the rest of the game or franchise for me, and it was still a fun ride. I had about the same reaction to it as I did the Evangelion ending. I wouldn't be surprised if 20 years from now people will still be bitching about ME3's ending, just like how to this day people are still bitching about the Evangelion ending.
Of course they ***** about Evangelion, because they think it was supposed to make sense but the author said that he was suffering a breakdown and the show reflected it. There is no symbolism or anything meaninful there.

ME in the other hand, it was "supposed" to be a planned trilogy and had a coherent theme going on........that the ending just plain forgot that it existed and suplanted it with is own.