I Never Understand Nintendo

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So with this recent Nintendo Direct, we learned about the online subscription service and it feels incredibly half-baked to me. It feels like an afterthought. Like a businessman peeking over the garden wall to see what the neighbors have that they don't but feel they probably should have. For $20, you get cloud saves, BUT it won't cloud save everything, you get access to online multiplayer features, BUT we've had that for over a year for free and free ever since the original Wii, so why are we forced to pay now? I liked Nintendo for being so accessible and not having to buy into a gated live service over it's contemporaries. That was a huge selling point for me personally. You get access to a paltry handful of classic Nintendo games, you know, the ones they constantly throw out there and force you to rebuy every console iteration? They say it will expand its selection every month, but come on, I was there for your virtual console stores on the Wii, WiiU and 3DS. Those titles came out at a trickle and you expect me to believe that you're going to have a compelling library of rotating games monthly? Like, you couldn't even throw out a SNES game or a GBA or heaven forbid an N64 or GameCube era game to show us how committed you are to this feature? Honestly when they went after EMU Paradise and those other ROM sites I thought they might actually just do it and make all of those old games available on a virtual console but nope, doesn't look like that's gonna be the case. It just baffles me how forward thinking and innovative they can be while at the same time being so draconian at the same time. I don't even want to get started on those NES controllers that only work on the NES games bundled with a year of subscription. Can someone tell me Nintendo's rationale for any of this? It just seems like they're doing all of this because everyone else is doing it. I miss the Miis and the Mii Plaza.
 

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This is just my opinion, but it seems like from an actual gamer?s perspective Nintendo has gotten progressively worse since N64. They peaked with SNES, then PlayStation and Xbox happened and they?ve been on uneven footing ever since. I think it?s the old Japanese imperial-minded business sense that?s still carrying on at odds with how the rest of the industry is doing things. It just used to be less noticeable because there was a time when it was the norm, let alone the industry was far more simple.
 

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We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
 

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CaitSeith said:
We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
And thank Xbox for both.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
CaitSeith said:
We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
And thank Xbox for both.
XBox Live: making the gaming industry predatory since 2002.
 

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CaitSeith said:
We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
It was free yeah, but the infestructure was complete and utter shit.

There is a reason why people prefer playing their online multiplayer games on Xbox Live then Sony.
 

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meh, i think that's just the first step. xbox live wasnt perfect the first year. i pay this year, and i'll watcxh where they are going with it before complaining
 

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cathou said:
meh, i think that's just the first step. xbox live wasnt perfect the first year. i pay this year, and i'll watcxh where they are going with it before complaining
I'll just watch this year and then pay if they go where I appreciate. Nintendo has good games that use online services, but it really doesn't lack in offline games. I can wait.
 

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circularlogic88 said:
I don't even want to get started on those NES controllers that only work on the NES games bundled with a year of subscription.
What else would they work with? I'm just curious what other games you would expect the NES controllers to work with when the NES controller lacks certain buttons to be able to play newer games.
 

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Specter Von Baren said:
circularlogic88 said:
I don't even want to get started on those NES controllers that only work on the NES games bundled with a year of subscription.
What else would they work with? I'm just curious what other games you would expect the NES controllers to work with when the NES controller lacks certain buttons to be able to play newer games.
I get the feeling this would've gone done a lot better if the NES selection wasn't so utterly paltry and/or the Switch actually have Virtual Console that could use the controller.

OT: Yeah. I'm not buying Switch online while it's in this pitiful state. Which is a pity because I'm getting Dark Souls Remastered for the Switch, but I guess I'm playing offline only for the near future. I considered buying DBZ Fighter but that's canceled for the immediate future.

There's some talk about SNES games coming to Switch online. Ok. Do that, and get some damn good ones, I'll talk about opening my wallet.

And get Virtual Console for fuck's sake, it's low effort and will practically print money for Nintendo.
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
This is just my opinion, but it seems like from an actual gamer?s perspective Nintendo has gotten progressively worse since N64. They peaked with SNES, then PlayStation and Xbox happened and they?ve been on uneven footing ever since. I think it?s the old Japanese imperial-minded business sense that?s still carrying on at odds with how the rest of the industry is doing things. It just used to be less noticeable because there was a time when it was the norm, let alone the industry was far more simple.
I agree, except I'd shift it one generation along to N64. Granted they caught flak for releasing a cartridge based system in the age of the CD, but the games on it they smashed out of the park. The gamecube OTOH had some okay games and Resident Evil 4.

The SNES was a great platform tho, there's no question there. I still have mine (the actual same one) and my games boxed up somewhere.
 

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erttheking said:
And get Virtual Console for fuck's sake, it's low effort and will practically print money for Nintendo.
I have a theory that the reason Nintendo hasn't released Virtual Console for Switch yet is because they want to try and encourage third parties to come to their system and so they're holding off on VC so the indies and third party games don't get glossed over and will save VC for later or when they need more games for people to play.
 

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Do you know what a paragraph is OP?
Do you have anything of actual substance to contribute to the conversation? Last I checked MLA and ACA writing formats weren't a requirement for posting here.
 

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the whole point is for you NOT to understand Nintendo. The problem with this online stuff is that it is actually understandable.
 

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Yeah, I mainly agree, Nintendo is actually pretty close to being more anti-consumer than Microsoft if you really look at everything they do, but Nintendo gets passes for a lot things for really no reason. And the stuff they don't do doesn't really make much sense either like not releasing old games. Or, with their underpowered hardware, deciding to not even try to compete with Sony or Microsoft when they can easily take much of Microsoft's market share quite easily and being able to challenge Sony as well. The Switch is actively competing against Nintendo's own portable market. I guess if they are trying to consolidate down to a singular system, it makes sense in some manner.

Samtemdo8 said:
CaitSeith said:
We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
It was free yeah, but the infestructure was complete and utter shit.

There is a reason why people prefer playing their online multiplayer games on Xbox Live then Sony.
PSN or Live really doesn't have much to do with how good online games actually perform. It's all pretty much mainly down to the pubs/devs servers and if the game uses dedicated servers or P2P connections along with the game's netcode. You don't need a service like PSN or Live to play games online as that's how online gaming used to be. Live really just had party chat (which is P2P anyway) and party chat kinda ruins communication in competitive games.
 
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Yeah, I mainly agree, Nintendo is actually pretty close to being more anti-consumer than Microsoft if you really look at everything they do, but Nintendo gets passes for a lot things for really no reason. And the stuff they don't do doesn't really make much sense either like not releasing old games. Or, with their underpowered hardware, deciding to not even try to compete with Sony or Microsoft when they can easily take much of Microsoft's market share quite easily and being able to challenge Sony as well. The Switch is actively competing against Nintendo's own portable market. I guess if they are trying to consolidate down to a singular system, it makes sense in some manner.
There's a reason. It's a simple one at that.

You suffer abuse from no one except the person you can get something from. We get Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, Splatoon 2, Donkey Kong, Smash, Kirby only from Nintendo. Essentially most of our childhoods are held by them.

It's exactly the same as Disney. Yes, that Disney [https://www.apnews.com/4d98c8dee1c72fa5ac42ce01dff143fd]. Honestly, if Nintendo went the route of Sony and Microsoft and tried to take apart of the open market, it would have been buried before the Wii.

But it made its own market. And because of that, they know they can do whatever they want.

That being said, this might be a bold move. I don't know. I sort of doubt it myself. But I do think if next year, they came out with a SD save file card that cost 40 dollars and could hold say 5 full AAA games save data (I'm talking 'Monster Hunter', 'Mario Odyssey', 'Zelda BoTW', 'Splatoon 2' and 'Smash')... People would grumble. People would be upset. But yet and still, you wouldn't be able to find them for about 7 months after they were announced. They would be sold out online in seconds after the words "We're offering you an SD card back up solution you've been craving" left Fils-Amie' lips.

Nintendo has created an inelastic demand via our Nostaligia. Give the evil geniuses that much.
 

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I understand it (and I don't).

They've cornered such a profitable niche of gaming and, virtually unchallenged, get to do whatever the fuck they want with it. The business equivalent of having their cake and eating it too. They've got the monopoly on all of their IPs and the brand recognition/loyalty it takes to farm and milk as much as they want to. Which is why they get away with so many outrageous anti-consumer practices: nobody else is pushing Mario and Zelda and Pokemon on the street. You got a problem with how they do their business, you can't take it anywhere else if you're after their particular brand of gaming.

On the other hand I feel like the company is as great at keeping a steady fanbase as it sucks at drawing in new people into it (all together now: third party support).
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I understand it (and I don't).

They've cornered such a profitable niche of gaming and, virtually unchallenged, get to do whatever the fuck they want with it. The business equivalent of having their cake and eating it too. They've got the monopoly on all of their IPs and the brand recognition/loyalty it takes to farm and milk as much as they want to. Which is why they get away with so many outrageous anti-consumer practices: nobody else is pushing Mario and Zelda and Pokemon on the street. You got a problem with how they do their business, you can't take it anywhere else if you're after their particular brand of gaming.

On the other hand I feel like the company is as great at keeping a steady fanbase as it sucks at drawing in new people into it (all together now: third party support).
How does one have a monopoly on their own IPs?
 

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Specter Von Baren said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
I understand it (and I don't).

They've cornered such a profitable niche of gaming and, virtually unchallenged, get to do whatever the fuck they want with it. The business equivalent of having their cake and eating it too. They've got the monopoly on all of their IPs and the brand recognition/loyalty it takes to farm and milk as much as they want to. Which is why they get away with so many outrageous anti-consumer practices: nobody else is pushing Mario and Zelda and Pokemon on the street. You got a problem with how they do their business, you can't take it anywhere else if you're after their particular brand of gaming.

On the other hand I feel like the company is as great at keeping a steady fanbase as it sucks at drawing in new people into it (all together now: third party support).
How does one have a monopoly on their own IPs?
By default? A monopoly goes hand-in-hand with exclusive ownership.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
CaitSeith said:
We had free online multiplayer in PS3 for years. Why are we forced to pay in PS4? You'll find the same answer applies to Nintendo. In any case, ask directly to Nintendo.
It was free yeah, but the infestructure was complete and utter shit.

There is a reason why people prefer playing their online multiplayer games on Xbox Live then Sony.
This.

Xbox Live was (and I'd still say IS)by and far the best Multiplayer system out there, period. I'll even have the balls to go out and say it was better than 99% of what you could ever get on most PC games without some serious hard work. It absolutely crushed the PS3, Wii and Wii U, and they were able to do that precisely because it generated revenue for them because of the sub fee.