You can't really say there's a decline in movie making... There's always been more crap out there than the great stuff, but there's been some great stuff out this decade. Plus taste is subjective.
"I paid for this?": The decline in movie making
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I couldn't possibly agree any more with OP.
To fit the entire rant in one sentence - Stop homogenizing movies.
Because that's what you're basically saying. I too want better stories and not just mindless CGI explosions and shit.
To fit the entire rant in one sentence - Stop homogenizing movies.
Because that's what you're basically saying. I too want better stories and not just mindless CGI explosions and shit.
call me captains spoiler but the red hood dude is actually the first robin and what happened was he got killed by the joker but superman tuned back time to fix it but turning back time made 2 time paradoxes: one where robin survived the joker killing him, and another where this movie takes place where the survival didn't affect robin until he was dead and buried in the ground for 3-5 years. Red hood/ robin, now that he has been revived in that paradox is out to protect the city his way by killing the enemies and villain because he is so filled with rage of the fact that he was killed, but most of the rage is because bruce/batman didn't avenge him and kill joker, instead just put joker in jail againcrimsonshrouds said:
I don't go to movies unless someone else drags me there; I never make the suggestion to go.
Frankly, I also hate that they use 24 fps for cinema instead of 60. It makes any sort of high-speed or exploratory shot look like shit.
Hell, I don't even rent movies. If something sounds interesting enough, I often download it, see if it is good, buy it if it's good, and delete it if it isn't.
I won't go into a rant about how most movies have shitty plots, and most directors don't give two shits about the accuracy of any science they use... I'll leave it stated as above and move on.
In the end, the only way things will change is if we collectively boycott shitty movies. Or hell, just say fuck cinema; I'd be happy never going into a movie theater again.
Frankly, I also hate that they use 24 fps for cinema instead of 60. It makes any sort of high-speed or exploratory shot look like shit.
Hell, I don't even rent movies. If something sounds interesting enough, I often download it, see if it is good, buy it if it's good, and delete it if it isn't.
I won't go into a rant about how most movies have shitty plots, and most directors don't give two shits about the accuracy of any science they use... I'll leave it stated as above and move on.
In the end, the only way things will change is if we collectively boycott shitty movies. Or hell, just say fuck cinema; I'd be happy never going into a movie theater again.
Transformers 2... Unfortunately, I saw it while sober (The night didn't end sober though). While the first Transformers was at best uninspired and bland, the sequel seemed to me a monument to just how shitty a movie can be and still make a profit. Seriously, unlike the first, I can't think of a single redeeming quality about that movie. The ending was the best part, and by that I mean it stopped and I got to purge it from my mind with alcohol.Batsamaritan said:
Good post man, I like how you put some examples in there.
Unfortunately for you and the rest of us we're never going to get too much more art in mainstream cinema because the people don't want art. And because money talks louder than anyone of us, that's the way it'll stay.
At least until either money disappears or people suddenly get collectively more smart and discriminate about what they chose to be entertained by. This isn't just a thing in movies too though, look at all the video game sequels that have been wastefully thrown out to us.
Unfortunately for you and the rest of us we're never going to get too much more art in mainstream cinema because the people don't want art. And because money talks louder than anyone of us, that's the way it'll stay.
At least until either money disappears or people suddenly get collectively more smart and discriminate about what they chose to be entertained by. This isn't just a thing in movies too though, look at all the video game sequels that have been wastefully thrown out to us.
The reason I say "most modern film critics" is because it's both true and lends more strength to my argument than saying; "I think it's the best film ever made." I am unsure if Citizen Kane is the best movie ever made but I am absolutely positive it stands up to modern standards and my proof is that the couple thousand jurors (critics, film scholars and people who work in film) chosen by the American Film Institute have twice decided that it was the greatest American movie ever made, for comparison on their most recent list The Shawshank Redemption was numbered 72 out of 100.Superior Mind said:
There are at least 1400 influential American critics, film scholars, directors, cinematographers and screenwriters who would indeed say that Citizen Kane stands up to modern films including The Shawshank Redemption. I would consider that to be "most film critics" or in any event the ones whom AFI considered relevant in their opinion.
I own Citizen Kane and I've watched it at least ten times, I also own The Shawshank Redemption and I've watched that movie at least ten times but probably more. I'm telling you, if you thought Citizen Kane was boring, you lack the visual knowledge that makes that movie so interesting. Every single scene in that movie is filled with subtle visual motifs that make up an overarching, symbolic narrative that is just as important as any piece of dialogue. Without the visual knowledge to understand the meaning of those motifs you're only seeing half the movie. It would be like removing all of Morgan Freeman's narrative from The Shawshank Redemption
Well I disagree and I'd suggest you stop trying to question my knowledge or appreciation of visual media... great, now I'm sounding like a tosser.Do4600 said:
Without meaning any insult and to be perfectly frank with you, I think you're full of shit. I mean it's great you've seen the film and it's great that you appreciate it, it gives you several points over any other person I've had this debate with. But really you're missing my point. I admit that Citizen Kane made several innovations in cinema, I know it was well made, I know it shows impressive understandings of new and sophisticated visual motifs, I notice that kind of shit - trust me. That doesn't stop this underlining fact that the film is boring. It's dull as ditchwater, it's two hours that feels like six, (and I've watched six hour films that WERE actually captivating and interesting.) It's a film about the rise and fall of a self-absorbed boring man. That's it. Face it, it's style over substance, and while that doesn't neccesarily make it bad it certainly makes it overrated with, like you say, film critics, film makers, actors, producers and forum-goers running around saying it's the best film ever made by constantly putting it on the top of lists of "best movies" almost to give the list credibility than the film.
The film needs to be stripped of it's sacred cow status, it's not all that good.
So, I'm not allowed brain candy once in a while?
Movies are like food. If you don't like the sandwich for sale, don't buy it. But don't go on rants telling me why I shouldnt buy it either, and how by buying it I'm making sandwichs worse because the makers will just make more along the lines of whats being sold.
There's been plenty of good movies to come out in the last few years, maybe you just don't like them? The movie "market" has just split more because there's different target audiences. Don't like blockbusters, go to independent cinemas.
Movies are like food. If you don't like the sandwich for sale, don't buy it. But don't go on rants telling me why I shouldnt buy it either, and how by buying it I'm making sandwichs worse because the makers will just make more along the lines of whats being sold.
There's been plenty of good movies to come out in the last few years, maybe you just don't like them? The movie "market" has just split more because there's different target audiences. Don't like blockbusters, go to independent cinemas.
Don't talk down to us about movies, okay? It's gotten really old over the last few years. And more than 30% of the people who went to see Transformers 2 knew it was going to be shit, but they went anyway just so that they could complain about it on the internet afterwards.
And 300 kicked ass. I'm sorry, but it did. When I go to see a movie about spartans, this what I want to see, not an overweight Brian Gleeson.
And 300 kicked ass. I'm sorry, but it did. When I go to see a movie about spartans, this what I want to see, not an overweight Brian Gleeson.
I saw Citizen Kane, and thought it was a pretty good movie. It was interesting in a way that new movies aren't.
Ironically, rosebud is the name of a fairly scummy suburb about half an hour away from where I live.
Also, speaking of good new movies, I recently saw Shutter Island and thought it was excellent. The stupid group of kids a few rows behind me were complaining loudly behind me, however, as they weren't intelligent enough to understand the plot. They were expecting a hollywood style horror flick, and instead, got a clever psychological thriller they weren't mature enough to grasp.
Ironically, rosebud is the name of a fairly scummy suburb about half an hour away from where I live.
Also, speaking of good new movies, I recently saw Shutter Island and thought it was excellent. The stupid group of kids a few rows behind me were complaining loudly behind me, however, as they weren't intelligent enough to understand the plot. They were expecting a hollywood style horror flick, and instead, got a clever psychological thriller they weren't mature enough to grasp.
Here's the thing. Citizen Kane is not remembered as a great film for it's storytelling power. The story is actually completely broken (Everyone chases around to find out what Kane's dying word meant, but no-one was in the room to hear it. The person who discovers him finds him already dead, so could not have known what his dying word was.)Timotei said:
Citizen Kane is remembered as a great film because it was the first film to use a nonstatic camera. It used tracking pans and other moving shots rather than simply have a fixed scene with a camera pointed at it. It was the first film to use it's own medium rather than being theatre with a camera pointed at it.
All of the things that made Kane great are just trivial things that everyone does without thinking about it now.
So actually, your argument is wrong. Kane was a great film because ZOMG the effects. Even if those effects were a tracking pan.
I must agree. Movies are just getting lazy in how much they are putting out. Not really having any sticking appeal
I'm a movie snob.
My top 3 movies would be The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Scarface. The Godfather 2.
But even I can appreciate many movies from modern times. No Country for Old Men, Avatar (don't care about bandwagon haters, it was simply a good movie), The Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, Fightclub, The Matrix, Saving Private Ryan, The Departed, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Gladiator, There Will be Blood, The Wrestler, Children of Men, Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2, and I could go on forever. All of these films are roughly 1-10 years old.
And I repeat, I am a movie snob, I try to keep classic films (from 60s, 70s, 80s) in my top movie lists, even if newer ones seem to entertain me more. Why? Because I'm a pretentious bell end.
But even I can see there are a lot of good modern films. So settle down there buddy. Sure a lot more crap is being generated today but I'm sure if you look back to the years of Apocalypse Now, or Bridge of the River Kwai, or The Birdman of Alcatraz you'll find roughly the same ratio of terrible movies to good movies.
Settle down, film is fine.
Thank you.
My top 3 movies would be The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Scarface. The Godfather 2.
But even I can appreciate many movies from modern times. No Country for Old Men, Avatar (don't care about bandwagon haters, it was simply a good movie), The Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, Fightclub, The Matrix, Saving Private Ryan, The Departed, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Gladiator, There Will be Blood, The Wrestler, Children of Men, Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2, and I could go on forever. All of these films are roughly 1-10 years old.
And I repeat, I am a movie snob, I try to keep classic films (from 60s, 70s, 80s) in my top movie lists, even if newer ones seem to entertain me more. Why? Because I'm a pretentious bell end.
But even I can see there are a lot of good modern films. So settle down there buddy. Sure a lot more crap is being generated today but I'm sure if you look back to the years of Apocalypse Now, or Bridge of the River Kwai, or The Birdman of Alcatraz you'll find roughly the same ratio of terrible movies to good movies.
Settle down, film is fine.
Thank you.
