I... quit WoW today

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beez

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Haha, thanks for all the responses. I know, it is hard to quit, I won't be relapsing any more. As to other MMOs, I haven't really found anything I was ever interested in. SW:ToR was an interesting idea, but you cannot make a good game if your superiors force you to do stupid stuff (like the Hero engine). So for now on, I'm enjoying the world of offline, single player games.

I've been a hardcore raider, I've been a casual and I've been the normal, sorta progressing guy. But now I've realized, that I'm almost 21 now, I have to do the right thing for once if I were to go anywhere in life.

Thing is, lately all I ever did was do my daily ZG mount run, do kara, onyxia and oculus once a week. I even had enough of raiding, so I skipped those too. So I don't really think I'm coming back. A lot of the last 6 years' game library is sitting on my PC unplayed, so I will be occupied anyway for a while. :D

Miyenne, sorry I don't think I will be joining you on FFXIV, I'm kinda trying to stay away from mmos now. :)

Oh, and by the way, Facebook HAS microtransactions, I just don't play social games, or advertise or send presents using it.

Well, everyone has traumas that affect them, I had financial and personal ones, a couple of deaths that were hard to deal with, stuff like this sometimes causes an addiction to escapism, and what's better than an MMO?

I didn't do a thread on worldofwarcraft.com, because that would be pointless. I just wanted to share my story and maybe see if people think similarly about these new, grand updates.
 

anthony87

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Oh please, you're not being locked out of anything. Still if you're not having fun then don't play, it's not that big a deal.

I would've stopped playing a while ago myself but I got invited to a new guild that actually raided, jumped onto vent with them and they turned out to be a fantastic amount of fun. Got even better when I found out that the GM is an old friend and schoolmate of my sister and he and I actually worked together years ago.

The coincidence of it all kinda blew our minds.
 

Callate

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I've never done WoW- largely because I knew so many people for whom it had become an enormous time-sink. And money-sink, now, I suppose.

Congratulations on breaking the habit. It sounds like you've made the right decision.
 

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beez said:
now they announce that they are slowly implementing microtransactions on top of the subscription model
No they're not. The public backlash would be immense.
The only things that you can buy on the store are all cosmetic and thus don't affect your ability to play the game whatsoever, other than leaving a weeping hole where your sense of entitlement used to reside.

The whole microtransaction thing has been brought up recently because of a trial system they're running in the Asian server clusters whereby you can buy Lesser Charms. The only reason they're doing this is because they don't so much pay a subscription over there as they pay hourly. The idea is to not waste your gametime farming coins, and just buying a bag and getting on with the raiding.

Now, if they started doing that in the EU/US market, I'll revolt right with you.

[sub]Full disclosure: Playing since vanilla release, never quit[/sub]
 

Iron Gix

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cata was a big disappointment for me and MoP just had way too much grind for me, it felt like work and got very bored from everything.
 

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I had my best time in WoW just after battelgrounds were released but before Burning Crusade. I was a druid in the top Alliance pvp guild on our server. And as a resto druid I was a gottdamn rockstar in pvp. Travel form, stealth, and breaking roots/snares made the druid THE goto flag runner. At higher levels natures swiftness and battle rez made me the premiere pvp healer. We had war stories about breaking flag rooms turtled by the whole enemy team, it was quite glorious.

The cool thing about not having cross server play was that we got to know the guild on the horde side and we had awesome rivalries going. Its the closes thing I ever came to being on an actual sports team :) In fact we were so good that when cross server pvp started our major rival abandoned their horde character and made alliance just to join us.

Sadly Burning Crusade destroyed all that with the Arena taking the fun of BGs and making them stupid. But it was fun being an overpowered feral druid in BC for the first couple of patches. Since Arena needed at most 4 people the guild quickly fell apart as a lot of players such as myself just didn't enjoy the deathmatch arena gameplay and liked the objective based BG gameplay much better.

After Sunwell the plethora of daily quests turned the game into a chore. I was going dailys on my hunter and thought, what the hell this isn't fun anymore its like a job. Then quit cold turkey.

Then I came back about a year after Cata to see the facelift. It was fun but not fun enough for me to re-sub after my free month and 1 gamecard expired.

I think subscription games are a thing of the past. My personal problem is the subscription model encourages me to play as much as possible to get the most "value" out of it. I think the DDO model is the best where half the game is free, and you purchase content to access. I don't feel bad about the money I spent on DDO since I know as long as the servers are up I can go back and play again without paying a dime.
 

Terminate421

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Still playing, mainly for the PVP. That and I just leveled a Paladin. I'm done making characters that is for sure.

Doing Raids on Oqueue is a decent time killer, though at times I feel like I could be drawing in place of that.

RBGs are hella fun and pretty much why I play the game.

Everyone talks about how it's soleless and boring. If you really feel that way, fine, I don't really see it.
 

beez

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anthony87 said:
The coincidence of it all kinda blew our minds.
My guildmate found out that the officer he really hated was his childhood friend. :D

Btw, if they are trying to compensate the loss of sub money with microtransaction stuff that should be in the game already, then I do think I'm being locked out.

See, other MMOs can survive solely on using microtransactions, so to me, I think it is unethical. I don't have any problem with offering a moonkin hatchling pet for charity. But furthering the list of stuff you can only get for money is really annoying. And a microtransaction XP boost is even more hilariously un-WoW-like than all the nerfs, heirlooms.

They are trying to maximize profits while trying to reduce maintenance costs at all cost (the pun, the pun): merging servers on a single machine and calling it cross realm zones, etc.

EDIT: as far as I know the new system uses a virtual currency you buy for money. Cosmetic or not, it is microtransactions, even if it's not about buying charms.

I've just listed a couple of my reasons, not all, as a discussion point. I didn't mean it as an attack towards anyone who still plays, just as a point of discussion. :)
 

Souplex

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*Hug* Good on you!
Today is the first day of your life.
 

beez

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Souplex said:
*Hug* Good on you!
Today is the first day of your life.
That reminds me of South Park: How can you kill that, which has no life? :D
 

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Loop Stricken said:
No they're not.
The only things that you can buy on the store are all cosmetic
Cosmetic or not you do know that that is still a micro transaction right? Many games that have micro transactions sell cosmetic items.
 

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Well, WoW died for me when... hm. Well, when I noticed that my taste is irrelevant in WoW era MMO design. I'm the explorer. The guy who takes his pet, wanders the world to look at all the pretty art design and maybe meet some people on the way. Also, I liked to roleplay, which even on roleplay servers is essentially dead. So, once I saw all the pretty stuff I could see and read as much lore as I could stomach, I stopped playing. The last nice stuff to see was in instances for which there were no groups anymore. My guild had broken up, and everyone I met while travelling seemed fully focused on the mechanics of the game.


Edit: Oh, and the few things I hadn't seen (especially on the Alliance side)? Since they were all changed by Cataclysm my brain said "welp, they are lost forever, so if you go and play it now, you will forever mourn the fact you couldn't quite catch a glimpse of everything before Cata!".
 

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beez said:
After 6 years, I'm leaving. Can't say that I won't miss my pretty phoenix, all that cooperation and drama but... I mean, what they are doing to the game... well, I do not support it.

Here's my reasons:
I've been paying my subscription fee for years, and since Cata, a lot of the content we were getting was rehashed, remade, et cetera.
I've been paying my subscription fee for years and they kept holding back more or less awesome content for money. A lot of times I've saved up money on buying food (I did not starve, but I bought less, or worse quality food for example), just to be with my friends
now they announce that they are slowly implementing microtransactions on top of the subscription model, further locking people, like me out of content that should be part of the game (and cosmetic armor for money? srsly)
the new things they implement seldom work, so patch by patch we see classes struggle just to keep up, or get a complete redesigen in an even more ridiculous way.

I'm not having fun anymore, and all the stuff they publish convinces me that they lost their soul as a company. I don't think it's a coincidence that they are losing subscribers, I've lost all of my IRL friends. Also, I've found that all these things, plus, looking back at it, the time I've wasted that I could've used more productively, have made me regret playing at all in the first place. So, I think I'm not touching an MMO ever again in my life.

What do you think? I'm not planning to start a flame-war, hate-thread, or anything, I'm just interested in your opinions or similar stories.
Couple things...

1. Blizzard hauled most of the lead design staff off WoW a long time ago to work on Titan...everyone that didn't leave and subsequently get hired by Arena Net and Carbine, that is. So what you're seeing is the result of years of cumulative brain drain. The foundation is still strong, but the iteration on that foundation has been progressively more erratic.

2. I'm not sure how on earth $15 a month translated into you buying "poorer quality food". I don't know where you live, or what your monthly food bill is, but $15 is like...maybe ONE dinner a month for my girlfriend and I. If you're that close to the poverty line, you might want to reconsider gaming as a hobby entirely. It's relatively cheap as hobbies go, but it's not THAT cheap. If $15 is making or breaking your food budget and throwing your health into peril, you should probably be focusing all your time and energy on improving your quality of life.

3. Post MMO regret is not an uncommon phenomenon, as some people tend to play them compulsively long past the point where they stop having fun. If you feel this was not an instructive experience, or mistrust your ability to determine whether or not you are playing habitually instead of for enjoyment, then perhaps you are best off avoiding the genre...and any games that mimic an MMO's effort/reward cycle...entirely. If you DO feel you've learned from the experience, as I learned from my first bout of MMO over-indulgence, then there is no reason you cannot continue to dip your toes in from time to time to see if you like the feel of the water. You may find that WITHOUT that obsessive compulsive desire to chase the mechanical rabbit that your enthusiasm for the genre has faded. Or, you may find yourself able to enjoy big worlds and complex combat systems free of the pressure to treat your recreational hobby as a second job.

4. No matter what your hobby, there is always something you could have done that would be "more productive". Playing video games? You could've been learning guitar. Learning guitar? You could've been studying medicine. Studying medicine? You could've been overseas helping starving children in Africa, you selfish jerk! And so on, and so on. There is never a need to beat yourself up because you indulged in play. It's pretty essential, actually, to your long term physical and psychological health.

5. You say you "lost all your IRL friends". Are you sure this isn't a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc? How old are you? Moving into your mid twenties? This is a normal period of time for you to be rapidly drifting apart from old friends. That process can be remedied via circumstance or herculean effort to stay in touch, but it is not at all uncommon for people to find themselves with an entirely different group of friends at 25 than they had at 15, for example. And then again in their thirties if they get into a long term relationship and/or have children.

That's not to say WoW can't have played a role...perhaps you played 18 hours a day, shunning all human contact, ignoring plaintive requests for outings by friends so you could wail on raid mobs. If that's the case, then lesson learned my friend! Just please...PLEASE...do not pull a James Portnow and A) over-dramatize the fact you stood some friends up for a movie one time, or B) blame it on the GAME, as opposed to a period of questionable decision making/reclusiveness. I had a girlfriend who got so into reading she'd ignore the world for weeks on end. Never occurred to anyone to suggest she had a BOOK addiction. From the sounds of it, you went through a period of time where you prioritized your hobby over being social. Now, you're feeling an urge to prioritize other things. That should reflect in your behavior.

If you find it does not, and you are compulsively drawn into an MMO and unable to make sensible life decisions like "buy food" or "do laundry" or "wash taint", then by all means...either forbid yourself the games, or use this forum as your AA sponsor. There is no shortage of people here who will happily tell you that MMOs are de debil, and castigate you roundly for ever thinking they were worth playing in the first place. Should serve as a nice cup of cold water to the face.
 

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I quit WoW awhile ago. Before Mists of Pandaria came out, I believe. Got to the endgame content...and didn't like the endless grind for better gear. Not to mention the odds of getting gear without other classes diving in for it. Though I did make a ton of friends and had a blast while I was there.

Now, I've moved onto FF14: ARR. Looking forward to riding a chocobo and summoning Primals to wipe the floor with my enemies. Especially since I've gotten the PS3 version (and by extension the PS4 version, as well) and the interface is just pure awesomeness compared to that of FF11.

But the main thing is what you said: you no longer had fun, and that's what counts at the end of the day. That, and surviving onto the next day. And hygiene.
 

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I embrace microtransactions. I would love to play WoW but I don't want to pay a monthly subscription. I'm fine with buying the game, not fine with buying time.
 

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I'm surprised so many people got into WoW so badly; was it your first MMO?
I've played dozens before WoW and I thought it was super boring. Stopped after 4 days and never turned it on again.
 

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I started playing WoW back in BC, and played through WoTLK and for a bit during Cata. After that though, it just can't keep my interest anymore. The group of people I used to play with is gone, they casualified the game (the talent trees were the end for me), and everything as a whole. I look back on my time in WoW with fond memories, but it's just not the same these days. Time to move on to something else. :<
 

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Mersadeon said:
Ok, a little bit offtopic: BloatedGuppy, way to be a dick. Did you have to dissect his post piece by piece, just to criticise him? You assume stuff about him and practice a bit of pedantry. So, stop it. You're being one of those Internet People.


On topic: It was really different with Guildwars for me, though. While the exploration was still the most fun thing for me, I also really liked the mechanics. I quit Factions when I beat the main story and all interesting sidequests.

Never cared much for PvP, although I find the idea intriguing - I always loved the big strategies when guilds square off against each other, when entire alliances battle it out. It's just, I always loved to look at it from the outside.
I really hope you didn't quit after factions. The game was of course great at that point, but i'd feel really bad for you if you quit and never got to try out Nightfall or Eye of the North. The game really hit its stride after Nightfall was released, especially the story continuation. It actually did a great job of tying more of the story of factions and prophecies together with the newer content. If you did quit after factions i urge you to go back and check out the story with all the newer content. The story became so much better.
 

beez

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It wasn't my first MMO, it was just the one that got things right.

Don't blame BloatedGuppy, I think he just misunderstood things. Let me clarify: I lost all the IRL friends from WoW, because they left, sorry for being vague. As for the money things, I live in Romania, the cheapest way to play is gamecards for two months. I am a university student. 30$ here gets you a good amount of quality food for at least two weeks. People here mostly make around 150-200$ a month. I've had better and worse financial periods myself. Gaming as a hobby is something I didn't regret taking up. Ever. And I buy the games I love, even if it means saving up money for months. I bought the Mass Effect trilogy, et cetera. And I love steam sales for the very same reason.

Hope that's clarified enough :) Didn't want to waste too many words on my private life, besides the topic, as I thought it irrelevant to the discussion.

Thanks for replying
 

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Mersadeon said:
Ok, a little bit offtopic: BloatedGuppy, way to be a dick. Did you have to dissect his post piece by piece, just to criticise him? You assume stuff about him and practice a bit of pedantry. So, stop it. You're being one of those Internet People.
How on earth am I being a dick? I made no assumptions, nor did I criticize him in the slightest. As for pedantry...why am I a pedant? Do you think a post talking about quitting MMOs qualifies as an "undue display of learning"?

I mean, seriously. I *can* be a dick from time to time, when someone pisses me off, or when I am randomly moved to be a dick due to natural inclination towards dickishness, but I was actually being pretty sympathetic/friendly, and trying to help the guy figure out whether his hobby was actually damaging/toxic for him, or if he was just having post MMO blues.

And for this I am called a dick! A *dick*!

You're mean. You're a mean man.

beez said:
Let me clarify: I lost all the IRL friends from WoW, because they left, sorry for being vague.
Left the area, as in just moved away? Or left you specifically? If it makes you feel better about your "game friends", they're "real life" friends as well. I have a friend who lives in Seattle who I've seen in person exactly once. We met in Ultima Online, and have been friends ever since. We talk daily. I supported him through his first divorce, he supported me through numerous breakups. We've both supported each other through health issues, both our own and our wives/girlfriends. His children are like nieces/nephews to me. Some surprisingly strong friendships can be formed through the internet. World is changin'.

EDIT: Or wait, do you mean all your GAME friends left WoW? That's usually a good reason to ditch an MMO, if the reasons you were staying were primarily social.

beez said:
As for the money things, I live in Romania, the cheapest way to play is gamecards for two months. I am a university student. 30$ here gets you a good amount of quality food for at least two weeks. People here mostly make around 150-200$ a month. I've had better and worse financial periods myself.
Ah. Well, that makes a lot more sense. $15 is fairly punitive in those circumstances, that's closing in on 10% of the average monthly income.