I really do not like steam... Persuade me otherwise. FIXED

[Bombiz]

Hell even some old games weren't available (command and conquer, warcraft 3, starcraft.

Erm, when exactly did you see Blizzard games sold anywhere else online, except by Blizzard?

however i was able to find Dungeon Keeper 2 so that's a huge plus.

That's pretty much GOG in a nutshell, really. They should just get a motto "This is GOG, and we have Dungeon Keeper" and they'll start hooking in more and more people. Seriously - the most common comments I've seen about the site is about DK. Heck, that's how they drew me in. The bastards.

eh i shouldn't have tried it with blizzard games. but after i posted that i tried it with a couple other older games (age of mythology, age of empires, armies of exigo) and i couldn't find those either. don'tknow why but i seems that most of the old games i want to play they don't have.

i do agree about the Dungeon Keeper thing though. That's what go me looking into it now. i'm tired of all these DRM PC games. I feel like the only way i can truly own a PC game now is to either go to a store and buy the one non-DRM game or torrent them.
NOTE:
I'M NOT ADVOCATING PIRACY. JUST SAYING THAT IF I WANT DRM FREE VERSION OF A GAME I NEED TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL

 

[William Ossiss]

Hah, you have a wonderful sense of humor! I've actually laughed more than once at your jokes in this post.

The one thing I really don't like about it is that pesky DRM. Yeah steam may have an offline feature but isn't this the same reason people were up in arms about the xbone?

Well, sort of. I've often gone weeks on Steam in offline mode without having to do anything online. XBO was initially going to require a daily checkin. What's more, because they planned on using cloud processing to augment the gaming experience, the games will likely be always online towards the end of the generation because its weaker system requires it for games that are going to fully utilize the PS4 processing. Additionally, the XBO's method would have effectively wiped out the preowned games market. The big problem with that is that Microsoft's online store is NOT like the Steam store. I get games on Steam all the time for $10 or less. You're lucky to find a game on the MS Live store that has even been discounted for $10 off the total price.

For a console, the game is either tied ot a disk or tied to an account. That's true with most games anyways unless you pirate at which point nothing is going to be cheaper.

I keep hearing about the "glorious pc gaming master race" being jerks and what not, and I've met some people like that before. I've also met a lot on consoles, though.

Wonderful picture. I think pc gaming "master race" is particularly biting because we're the sort of people with the technical knowledge and/or the money to build a decent gaming machine. As such, it is often seen as a sort of class distinction. We can explain how pc gaming allows us access to a wider range of games and even prettier environments and sure, it is better. But what good does that do for someone without the resources to build a legitimate gaming PC or without the know-how to build one? Sure, I wanted to have a gaming pc back in the day. But I was in college and didn't know anything about PC gaming. Flashfoward several years and I have a decent job with an extremely diverse technical background. My first pc turned on and worked the first time I put it together and is still capable of playing all current games on the highest settings. What can I say to my college self? Learn computers and get a job so you can enjoy this? My college self's response to me should be something like, "Screw you, you arrogant asshat." If a console owner tries to tell a computer gamer that the console is better, that's a significantly lower cost of change.

Oh, no. I was just using the phrase I've seen/heard people use before. People have called themselves that at one point or another, either jokingly or in a serious tone. I was alluding to the fact that no matter what online community you go to, you will eventually meet people that act like complete twonks. The majority of people I play online with don't act like that. I always try to lead by example, and if trash talking occurs I tell them to simply prove themselves through their skill. Then, if they attempt to spout off insults, I give them the old 'good game' and it throws them for a loop.


So, if xbox live's store had regular discounts... people wouldn't have been so upset at the always online drm? I never did like what they were doing, seeing as how (before I knew anything) I had chosen that as my primary console for the generation. I wanted to continue my gamerscore. When they switched it to 'it can now be offline' I was relieved.

 

[Lightknight]

Oh, no. I was just using the phrase I've seen/heard people use before. People have called themselves that at one point or another, either jokingly or in a serious tone. I was alluding to the fact that no matter what online community you go to, you will eventually meet people that act like complete twonks. The majority of people I play online with don't act like that. I always try to lead by example, and if trash talking occurs I tell them to simply prove themselves through their skill. Then, if they attempt to spout off insults, I give them the old 'good game' and it throws them for a loop.

Yep, asshats are everywhere. No disagreement there.

So, if xbox live's store had regular discounts... people wouldn't have been so upset at the always online drm? I never did like what they were doing, seeing as how (before I knew anything) I had chosen that as my primary console for the generation. I wanted to continue my gamerscore. When they switched it to 'it can now be offline' I was relieved.

Well, if new games were cheaper if purchased online (they don't have to manufacture, package, ship, or discount for retailers with digital copies so screw them for maintaining the same price as retail) and if the prices generally followed a downward trend at similar rates to retail stores then yeah, it wouldn't really be that big of an impact.

But as is, the price is set at the highest rate and falls slower than anything else. Let's take a quick look at a game.

Do you remember "Remember Me"? [http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Remember-Me/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8024343082f] That came out for the 360 in August of last year and was entirely forgetable. On the Live store it's $40 to download. On Amazon, it's less than $20 even with two-day shipping. On PC, it's $26.

That's just one example, The first game I picked out of the list that I remembered. Now on Steam, it's $50. But come a couple months and you'll likely be able to pick it up for $10 on a steam sale just like all the other games you could have gotten over the years of steam sales. Xbox live? They may discount it by $10 at most and it'll still be over $30 six months from now.

So when Microsoft tries to get rid of the preowned market, that means we're at their mercy for game prices. That is a probem and will continue to be an issue until/unless their store becomes attractive to buy from. I don't know if that will happen unless Steam's numbers start getting released and it does well.

 

[Qvar]

So when Microsoft tries to get rid of the preowned market, that means we're at their mercy for game prices. That is a probem and will continue to be an issue until/unless their store becomes attractive to buy from. I don't know if that will happen unless Steam's numbers start getting released and it does well.

Which they won't. They won't invite competitors to copy their model.

 

[Lightknight]

So when Microsoft tries to get rid of the preowned market, that means we're at their mercy for game prices. That is a probem and will continue to be an issue until/unless their store becomes attractive to buy from. I don't know if that will happen unless Steam's numbers start getting released and it does well.

Which they won't. They won't invite competitors to copy their model.

Well, somebody has to be looking at Valve's huge expansion all the sudden and wonder just how much they're making. They wouldn't even have to do this to the entire market. They could try this in small test markets just like every other companies try out new products.

If they try it and it succeeds, then it will make business sense for them to do it. Sony and Microsoft should be so lucky to have fans that are well invested in a significant game library on their network.

 

[Jusey1]

I, myself, strongly dislike Steam and refuse to use it as I am against forced Internet Requirement, forced Online Account Requirement, and forced 3rd-Party Requirement.

 

[Lightknight]

I, myself, strongly dislike Steam and refuse to use it as I am against forced Internet Requirement, forced Online Account Requirement, and forced 3rd-Party Requirement.

It isn't forced. You opt into it. It's not like you have to use Steam.

Do you use the iStore by chance?

One of the big reasons that Apple can sell individual songs and Steam can sell games for so little is that the service they provide for consumers also promises vendors that their games won't be stolen/pirated and resold.