I really dont get it... (Dark Knight)

[Nerf Ninja]

I am a huge Batman fan and the Nolan films are pretty much exactly what I should want for the character, unfortunately Dark Knight was boring and nonsensical for me. Like I said I'm a fan and fans are impossible to please completely.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

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can i ask some movies that you do like? i wanna see what you compare things to.

Sure,

Defiance is probably my favorite recently made movie, and for sure on my top 10.

Letters From Iwo Jima and Flags of our Fathers are both great movies I really enjoyed.


to move away from the war theme, I watched Identity right after Batman, and was pleasantly surprised at how good it turned out to be.

Was Identity, the psychological thriller with John Cusack? I bloody loved that film. The twist was utter genious.

 

[Mcface]

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can i ask some movies that you do like? i wanna see what you compare things to.

Sure,

Defiance is probably my favorite recently made movie, and for sure on my top 10.

Letters From Iwo Jima and Flags of our Fathers are both great movies I really enjoyed.


to move away from the war theme, I watched Identity right after Batman, and was pleasantly surprised at how good it turned out to be.

Was Identity, the psychological thriller with John Cusack? I bloody loved that film. The twist was utter genious.

Yeah it was.

 

[Ryokugax]

I enjoyed the movie but the repeated lines aren't even the best, THAT'S what pissed me off about it.

Also, Heath performed far beyond the rest of the cast, save perhaps Gary Oldman, which is why everyone whores around him in that role.

 

[VanityGirl]

My main problem was that is was TOO LONG, there were segments that could have been shortened or cut out.
I enjoyed the film though.

 

[Bat Vader]

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/REVIEWS/55996637/1023

I am my own critic.

Good for you, I figured I'd get a professional opinion, from someone who is known for not liking comic book movies. I'm biased for Batman, so I got an unbiased opinion.

A professional opinion is always good.

a "professional opinion" from someone who makes a living off their opinion alone doesn't particularly strike me as a good thing, then again, I'm not a big fan of "professional" critics.

Which is why I always suggest to be your own critic.

 

[Pegghead]

I didn't really like it, I didn't really like Batman Begins, or Tim Burtons batman movies. It's not that I dislike batman it's just that I grew up watching that oh so classic Batman: the movie so I was given the mindset of batman being this bright, colourful character along with the villians (Which they were). Though the hype really pissed me off, Heath Ledger? Who cares about heath ledger, he was a nobody in the films industrie, emmy awar winning? It's a fucking comic book movie, that's what pissed me off so badly with Watchmen.

The Watchmen was said to be unfilmable and yet it seems to have succeeded more than it failed. Nolan's vision of Batman has revitalized a character that, outside the comic book crowd, had absolutely zero crediblity as a viable or important figure. Heath Ledger was the first actor to portrey the Joker as a broken, twisted figure rather than the usual camp with which he was portreyed (As in version of Batman from the '80's or the animated series from more recent memory).

Are any of these things really important? I suppose not in the grand scheme of things, but then if one wants to view media on such a broad canvas then the world must be a fairly bleak place. Each of these things represents a success of sorts and while they may not appeal to all I would hope that people can at least recognize positive qualities when they present themselves.

Besides, to conclude such a diatribe with an indictment against these films because they are based on a comic book seems comicly out of place. The Watchmen, in spite of being a comic book, is held by Time Magazine as one of the 100 greatest novels of all time. Batman is a character that has powered not only a comic for more than five decades, but also spawned countless movies, hundreds of episodes of television, an endless line of toys and other products and stared in more than a handful of games (including the most recent darling Arkham Asylum). Comic books, more than other media, beg to be translated into film because they are by their very nature visual media. And while comic books often portrey fantastical vliians and heroes with undremt of power, the best of them examine the very real issues that people deal with throughout their lives. Make no mistake, comic books have as much value to our culture as any other work of literature, perhaps more when you consider their particular ability to attract the youngest of audiences. And, like any material destined for the silver screen, a comic book movie must be handled with care or risk falling flat on it's face.

Does my typing indicate that I seem to give two shits about peoples fanboy ranting on this forum, at the end of the day it was just a comic book movie, nothing wrong with that, but it was just a bad movie, both from a comic movie and a movie in general (This goes for both the dark knight and watchmen, sure they were alright but fanboys and hype wreck them, in fact this thread alone has made me dislike them both even more)

Honestly, I do not particularly care if you do or do not accept my arguments has having merit. But, I would advise you to distinguis between a fanboy and one who presents a case with verifiable information in it. You may dispute my position, but I hardly think you can dispute my assertions about The Watchmen being on Time's top 100 novels of all time list. That said, having presented my argument with at least what I believe to be a valient effort at civility and proper use of grammar (and my keyboard's punctuation keys), I would at least ask you do the same.

I didn't say Watchmen (The Book) was bad, I've never even read it, and y'know maybe I shouldn't really be talking here as I have read neither watchmen nor the batman comics, I just didn't really enjoy watchmen or the dark night (Spare Rorschach, that guy was awesome, well characterised, well acted, if the whole movie had been about him I would've paid to see it twice). I was just defending my opinion, and this is the internet man, you don't need to type in a Thespian manner. And from the sounds of it you don't like arguing this, I don't like arguing this so how about we just both drop it from here on in?

 

[Pegghead]

I went in to it with the mindset that I was going to enjoy it

I just think its extremely wanky to take something which has a reputation of being in a certain style and then taking that, saying phwaa to all the other perfectly good and successful examples of that genre and aiming to be more...artistic so it can avoid relation to its other members of the genre (Its kind of like how whenever a film was made of a picture book say Jumanji it was normally just a good, all-rounder family flick, then some douche from hollywood comes along and says phwaa, I don't want my picture book to be like those films and then they go off and make where the wild things are the movie (GAAAAH I HATE THEM SO MUCH))

You've got me on the fence with this one. I want to hope that Where the Wild Things Are captures the spirit of the book, though every time I see Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs my eyes spew blood, so there's that. I guess I didn't see that much of a deviation from the Batman comics, but then again I was looking at them as darker because those were the comics I liked. Personal taste I suppose.

And yes I can toss out the comicbook argument, let's face it, they're basically just a collection of well drawn pictures surrounded by boofs and bams, also with good character development and freedom to assist the characterisation process, so they serve their purpose and serve it well (Spare the anime ones, that's a whole different ball game)

Eh, respectfully disagree on the "collection of well drawn pictures" bit, but you made a valid point and that's enough for me.

And you sure do talk alot

I know, I'm long-winded. Apologies to anyone it annoys, I'll try to rein it in.

I really don't want to start a flame war but if people on the escapist are gonna contradict me, brother I can go as long as you want.

Not a flame war at all, I just dislike blanket statements without support. I figured it was less rude to quote it and argue against it so you could respond instead of saying, "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE COMICS CHANGED MY LIFE AND ARE THE BEST THING EVARZZZ!!!"

Which isn't true, but you understand my point. No intent to offend, sorry if I did.

Alright, this is a great settlement, now we can stop the constant quotes

(Hugs)

 

[silasbufu]

you're not the only one. I didn't like the movie. And as for the joker. Heath played the part well..but notice how almost everyone is now an MJ fan after he died...yeah..same was with 2pac and many others. It'll go away.

 

[phatty500]

it was alright i really just like the semi chase

 

[Acaroid]

I finally, about 3 hours ago, saw the Dark Knight for the first time with my girlfriend, and in all honesty I can say this is probably the most overrated movie in recent memory (rivaled only by the likes of Slum Dog Millionaire).

Now I had no intention of ever watching this movie, because the Joker "fan base" pissed me off to no end. I think it's safe to say I can tell what kind of person you are if you have anything that says "Why so serious?" and know we have nothing in common, and can never be friends.

Ranting aside, can anyone please point out why this movie is good? Or better yet, explain why people are so obsessed over it? Sure, the "OMGHEATHLEDGER" trend lasted about 2 months, but it still wasn't deserved.

Just wondering if I'm the only person who didn't enjoy this film?

As a batman movie goes it was alright, probably the best to date (atleast top 3), but as a movie in general it wasnt that great....


For all that are saying this was heath ledgers last role, you are wrong, he was in the middle of filming a movie when he passed away, so that would be his last. I guess you could argue this was his last completed role, but anyway.

 

[matsugawa]

I finally, about 3 hours ago, saw the Dark Knight for the first time with my girlfriend, and in all honesty I can say this is probably the most overrated movie ... Just wondering if I'm the only person who didn't enjoy this film?

I think it was a little over-hyped as well. Yes, Heath Ledger did deliver a great performance as the Joker and it had some good action sequences, but everything else just fell short. The plot dragged in places, the structure was a bit wonky, and the dialogue was just awkward. It's as if they had so many ideas for what the movie should be about, but since none of them could have sustained a two-hour movie, they just put them all in one after another as quickly as they could: Joker robs bank, Batman goes to China, Joker roughs up mafia guys, Batman impersonator gets strung up, Joker crashes party, Batman tries to track Joker down, Joker threatens to blow up hospital if squealer isn't killed, Batman sets up super-sonar, Joker turns hostage situation on its ear... these scenes feel more like self-contained vignettes held together only by the theme of "Joker's nuts beyond reason and Batman's resultantly unsure of himself." The problem simply is that Christopher Nolan is a fish out of water if he's not allowed to play around with time.

Batman Begins was what we expect from the guy who made Memento and The Prestige, a non-sequential narrative that's every bit as coherent as a linear one, but at least three times as engaging and suspenseful. It was a fresh take on the Batman mythos that has yet to suffer from diminishing returns like Batman Forever and its subsequently bland-cum-disappointing sequel. I still like Dark Knight, but I'll never call it a superior film to Batman Begins.

 

[The Unknown Stuntman]

the actual line is '' ur going to leave a decision like that up to chance'' dents reply is ''not exactly chance'' nothing revealed there as i believe unless u got a pants actor doing it in which case we did

 

[The Unknown Stuntman]

yes salesman u assume correct i havent sdedn those films and will have to take ur word for it that he was good but as for the 2 films i have seen with him in he was rubbish i am only speaking for my own personel expirience

 

[Eagle Est1986]

I saw it three times when it was at the theatre, including once at the iMax and I enjoyed it every single time. However, I watched it again when it came out on blu-ray and to be honest, it just lost all of the action and atmosphere for me.
I think it may have been one of those films where you needed to see it at the cinema.