I take 40k seriously I and I find it fun as Hell

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Erttheking

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Well, maybe I should clear this up a little bit. I don't really have that much exposure to the 40k universe, directly exposure anyway. Really all I've done for that is play the Kill Team and Space Marine video games. That being said, I have this one borderline insane friend (insane in a good way) who loves to go on and on and on about it, to the point where I like to think that I know a fair amount about the universe, in addition to reading a fair chunk of the lore online.

A thing that I notice a lot about 40k online is that people constantly dismiss 40k as too dark to take seriously, I think we remember that thread from way back when asking how people could find 40k's story remotely appealing, when it's constantly dark, it sucks to be everyone and there is next to no hope of survival so why should you bother? Well, maybe it's my inner masochist talking, the one that likes Dark Souls, but that's half of the fun. Standing on the brink of oblivion, with there being a one in a million chance of you actually being able to salvage the terrible situation that your world is in and fighting on anyway is just something that I like.

But really the main point of this thread isn't simply to hammer in my own opinion on a franchise (mostly) it's to kind of make a point. The wonderful thing about fiction is that it's already detached from reality to a certain point. I've watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones and read a good chunk of what's going to happen later on in a Song of Ice and Fire and I can't help but notice that world's where just about everything is screwed seemed to be fairly popular. My theory is that people like dark oppressive worlds because it helps build character, for better or for worst, it shows what people do under the stress of the situation, what lengths they'll go to in order to keep living or to fight for what they'll believe in, and I think that deep down inside we all want to see them beat the odds and come out on top even if we know they won't because we all love an underdog.

Not really sure what point I was trying to make here, I just felt the urge to share this.
 

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It's the variety for me. It can be an apocalyptic horror setting, or a balls out whack fest where soccer hooligan aliens fight dudes armed with laser guitars.
 

Rawne1980

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That's the most fun about it.

It's so dark it's almost a self parody.

But it's also the point to it. It's war, constantly. I'm a massive fan of Warhammer and Warhammer 40k. My book library is mainly Black Library books about those 2. Some of them have some fantastic characters.
 

Zhukov

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It's not the "dark" aspect that turns me off, it's the lack of what I can only call "aesthetic restraint" and the subsequent improbability.

WH40K doesn't actually strike me as dark. Things that try too hard to be grim usually aren't. WH40K just reminds me of heavy metal album covers. Y'know, all skulls and monsters and muscly dudes with axes and whatnot, like it's forgotten that it's just a recording of some hairy guys yelling into a microphone and playing electric guitar. Similarly, WH40K looks like what you'd get if Lego started trying to be grim.
 

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40K is like Judge Dredd - they're both products of the same Britpunk sci-fi mentality, they're both wildly over the top satirical parodies, but they can both work as serious settings, in the hands of the right writers.

Admittedly it has been toned down from the 1st and (to a lesser extent) 2nd editions, but there's still plenty of weirdness like the aforementioned green galactic football hooligans. Yeah, back in the day that was the exact definition of what Orks were.

'Ere we go 'ere we go 'ere we go...

Then again the entire setting was created pretty much solely as an excuse for armies of small metal dudes to fight each other, so it's not really meant to be subtle or realistic. Sometimes it's fun to see how ridiculously OTT it can get.

Like I said, in the hands of the right writers it can work as a serious setting - see the Gaunt's Ghosts series, though Abnett by and large keeps the weird stuff on the periphery. On the other hand in the hands of bad writers it's all very silly and GRIMDARK...

...and homoerotic. I'm fairly certain it's unintentional, but bloody hell, the Horus Heresy novels spend a lot of time dwelling on how "beautiful" all those big muscular primarchs are.

Yeah, you heard me. Space Marines are gay.
 

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Sixcess said:
...and homoerotic. I'm fairly certain it's unintentional, but bloody hell, the Horus Heresy novels spend a lot of time dwelling on how "beautiful" all those big muscular primarchs are.

Yeah, you heard me. Space Marines are gay.
It's not unintentional; the Dark Angels are basically a huge shout-out to a gay 19th-century poet named Lionel Johnson.

OT: You can enjoy Warhammer in a number of different ways, and that's one of the reasons why the setting is so attractive. It's also something that guys like Yatzhee who bash Warhammer seem to miss out on. Depending on what you want it to be, it can be a cutting-edge satire of fascism and militarism, a cliche-ridden guilty pleasure, a heroic science-fantasy epic, a slapstick absurdist comedy (looking at you, Orks) or a deep and thoughtful deconstruction of optimistic sci-fi.

The really great thing about the setting is that it's just as entertaining if you treat it seriously as it is if you treat it with levity.
 

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Sixcess said:
...and homoerotic. I'm fairly certain it's unintentional, but bloody hell, the Horus Heresy novels spend a lot of time dwelling on how "beautiful" all those big muscular primarchs are.
Yes they are the Fulgrim novel especially, that novel was a giant homoerotic minibus roaming the stars looking for S&M clubs, a few fights and a chance to be on the front cover of a porn mag.

Damn funny though.

For those that have not read it the Emperors Children spent more time hanging around in loincloths oiling themselves and admiring Fulgrims makeup than fighting. Getting rendered in paintings and statues was a higher priority too. Then there was the Deamonic concerts and orgies and everything else.
 

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The seriousness of the setting varies depending on how it's used. Sometimes it's played straight (most Space Marine stuff), sometimes it's played for laughs (Ciaphas Cain books, which are pure distilled awesome by the way). It's one of the things I like about it - there's more than one interpretation of it. Even the darkness of the setting is open to interpretation. Sure, there are things that devour planets for lunch, but there are tens of thousands, if not millions of planets out there, so it's drops in a bucket. Sure, the galaxy is constantly on the brink of destruction, but it has been that way for thousands of years and it's still there.

It's not a setting about how everything is dark and hopeless, it's about how no matter how fucked things get, people will find a way to punch the darkness in the nuts and kick it back to where it came from. At least I see it that way, and it's what I like about it. That and the fact that it takes "...and the kitchen sink" with the Sci-Fi tropes as well as mixing in a healthy dose of fantasy (Space Orks!!!!) to give a setting full of variety. The one thing that saddens me is that the said variety is so rarely utilized and instead we get things like Space Marine...
 

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Funny, I thought 40K's universe ran on insanity, of which its evil gods and their minions seem to thrive on. It's just kind of like Call Of Space Cthulhu Sort Of.
 

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I honestly prefer the jokes framed around the setting to the setting itself. It is one of the rare cases where the fandom of a series interests me more than the series itself. It does interest me still though, and I think good serious work can be done with it, but it is always more fun to point out that there is a bunch of space marines that literally kill you with rock and roll and likely snort more cocaine than the 70's (80's? Damn, I need to work on my pop history references). And that the greatest threat to the universe is an armless failure.
 

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The thing I like about it is that you can blitz through the novels in a few hours and they never cease to just be purely escapist, fantastical nonsense :)
 

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J Tyran said:
Sixcess said:
...and homoerotic. I'm fairly certain it's unintentional, but bloody hell, the Horus Heresy novels spend a lot of time dwelling on how "beautiful" all those big muscular primarchs are.
Yes they are the Fulgrim novel especially, that novel was a giant homoerotic minibus roaming the stars looking for S&M clubs, a few fights and a chance to be on the front cover of a porn mag.

Damn funny though.

For those that have not read it the Emperors Children spent more time hanging around in loincloths oiling themselves and admiring Fulgrims makeup than fighting. Getting rendered in paintings and statues was a higher priority too. Then there was the Deamonic concerts and orgies and everything else.
What's kinda funny is that when they joined Chaos, very little changed (except their organization, that went down the drain).
 

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Hey, We all do what we like

If you like 40K, why worry about what others say about it?
 

Darks63

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I like 40k myself but it hard to take a universe seriously when their machines are repaired though the power of prayer.
 

Easton Dark

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I can't take it seriously.

I just take the base unit of any race and compare their size to an Imperial Guardsman and I just laugh.

It's only dark to me when you consider just how much murder goes on all day erry' day, but other than that, it's really funny.
 

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It can be serious and silly.

If you want super duper serious, try stuff like The First Heretic. If you want silly, there is Guant's Ghosts and CIAPHIAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
It was meant to be a universe built entirely of scenes that belong on heavy metal album covers, not a thought provoking glimpse into the future.
Is there a place in Warhammer 40k where my face is on a pyramid? Because I would totally buy into that. WORSHIP ME DAMN IT!
 

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saintdane05 said:
It can be serious and silly.

If you want silly, there is Guant's Ghosts and CIAPHIAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
Or Creed



Tactical genius has no limits in the 40k universe.
 

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I love 40K because I can take it as seriously or lightly as I want to. It caters to all moods, sad/angry/happy/crazy/heretical.
Easton Dark said:
saintdane05 said:
It can be serious and silly.

If you want silly, there is Guant's Ghosts and CIAPHIAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
Or Creed



Tactical genius has no limits in the 40k universe.