I think I figured out why Mirror's Edge's story got butchered.

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Chaos Isaac

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There was a story? Coulda fooled me.

I'm still trying to figure out why in Mirror's edge, I have to run across train tracks instead of jump the ten foot fence.

The beginning of the game was great, the but rest went downhill hard in level design. So many pointless sidepaths I was forced to take when there was simpler ways around.

Also; I am completely baffled by the problems people have with female leads and other things. It's so silly, but seems so founded. It depresses me that humanity is honestly still at this level.
 

Evonisia

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I'd put it down to DICE having bad writers. Having a female protagonist doesn't necessarily shoot a game in the leg, in fact for example Remember Me has an interesting story with a female lead and the closest thing to well... anything other than murder to a man is when she hugs one of the characters. Although to be fair practically all human enemies spout sexist quotations at you despite the fact that this is what... 2080 something?
 

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I absolutely loved Mirros Edge, I really liked the atmosphere and I would never think a game about running and jumping would be that good. It annoys me that there hasnt been a sequel.

I thought the storyline was ok, and I certainly dont think it was bad. And I would not mind playing a female, not at all. I mean why care about such a frivilous thing?
 

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Chaos Isaac said:
There was a story? Coulda fooled me.

I'm still trying to figure out why in Mirror's edge, I have to run across train tracks instead of jump the ten foot fence.

The beginning of the game was great, the but rest went downhill hard in level design. So many pointless sidepaths I was forced to take when there was simpler ways around.

Also; I am completely baffled by the problems people have with female leads and other things. It's so silly, but seems so founded. It depresses me that humanity is honestly still at this level.
Over half the story content was cut out and the level design was great I don't know what you are talking about. Also did it occur to you that climbing over a 10 foot monitored fence would be slow and get you shot in the back?
Evonisia said:
I'd put it down to DICE having bad writers. Having a female protagonist doesn't necessarily shoot a game in the leg, in fact for example Remember Me has an interesting story with a female lead and the closest thing to well... anything other than murder to a man is when she hugs one of the characters. Although to be fair practically all human enemies spout sexist quotations at you despite the fact that this is what... 2080 something?
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
 

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doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
 

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I'm not sure why people are so hard on this story. I don't really need too much of a detailed reason as to why faith hates the gov't. I know that faith is a rebel. I'm old school and that's enough for me. I thought that the story was done well enough.
I haven't seen any games on this site that people actually praise for the story. Not yet anyways.
 

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Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
Again the publisher butchered the story so how is missing content that the writer may have wrote the writers fault?
 

Evonisia

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doomed89 said:
Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
Again the publisher butchered the story so how is missing content that the writer may have wrote the writers fault?
Because like I said there's a massive difference between removing like a paragraph and removing 3 words.

It's either the Publisher's were so desperate to cut things that they removed said 3/4/5 words.
Or they didn't write it.

The latter is much more likely.
 

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Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
Again the publisher butchered the story so how is missing content that the writer may have wrote the writers fault?
Because like I said there's a massive difference between removing like a paragraph and removing 3 words.

It's either the Publisher's were so desperate to cut things that they removed said 3/4/5 words.
Or they didn't write it.

The latter is much more likely.
Of course the publishers didn't write it, they did dictate how it was edited though and the bulk of the story was thrown out. We know these things for facts, how can you blame the writer when the bulk of the story was thrown out for unknown reasons the games story is more incomplete then bad.
 

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Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
The opening cinematic shows the government heavy-handedly punishing protesters, including both her parents. It's heavily-implied that they died in the attack. That isn't reason enough?
 

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The one part where they prove beyond a doubt that the government has sinister intentions is when they intentionally crash a train full of passengers just to try to get Faith.
 

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Voulan said:
The story and the whole concept wasn't bad, it was just incomplete and left many questions unanswered. We were dropped into the story without much explanation at all, other than that "the government turned the world into a clean, crime-free place because of extensive surveillance", but were not told whether this was an inherently bad thing. There was no evidence in the world that suggested sinister intentions at all, since we saw nothing outside of the paths Faith took for her job. We weren't even told if people actually liked this new world, or whether the "government is evil and exploitative" idea is a biased view from the Runners themselves. Most importantly, we have no idea if the Runners were good guys or not - what they deliver and who for was completely left out of the details.

If they cover those details, they'd have a pretty interesting morality-questioning game. However, both sides were completely ambiguous and unexplained, so there was no way the player can anchor themselves in the story at all. Having the freedom to choose is key, I think, to a game that explores these themes.
You shouldn't need to be told that as it's obvious that Big Brother is an inherently bad thing. 1984 ye gaaads.
 

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Amethyst Wind said:
Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
The opening cinematic shows the government heavy-handedly punishing protesters, including both her parents. It's heavily-implied that they died in the attack. That isn't reason enough?
We see them getting bashed by Riot Shields... so no, it's not really justified to launch an operation against the Government without something else to back it up. Real life governments do this and it's not frowned upon to use minor yet physical force against protestors/rioters.

doomed89 said:
Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
Again you can't really blame the writing when the bulk of the story was cut out by the publisher.
I'll blame it because it only takes 1 line to give a reason to hate the Government, but Faith doesn't. Hell it could've even been in the same line as the one where she describes her job at the beginning. There's removing parts, but then there's just blatantly not bothering to include it.

Oh yeah and the fact that DICE has never wrote a good story is a good point to add as well.
Again the publisher butchered the story so how is missing content that the writer may have wrote the writers fault?
Because like I said there's a massive difference between removing like a paragraph and removing 3 words.

It's either the Publisher's were so desperate to cut things that they removed said 3/4/5 words.
Or they didn't write it.

The latter is much more likely.
Of course the publishers didn't write it, they did dictate how it was edited though and the bulk of the story was thrown out. We know these things for facts, how can you blame the writer when the bulk of the story was thrown out for unknown reasons the games story is more incomplete then bad.
Because you've just ignored my point...

3-5 words, "They [The Government] are facist" or "They [The Government] ruined this". It's not hard, either the Writers didn't bother doing this or the Publishers were desperate enough to remove such a small amount of writing.

XMark said:
The one part where they prove beyond a doubt that the government has sinister intentions is when they intentionally crash a train full of passengers just to try to get Faith.
See, THERE'S something that says the Government do something, but it's after Faith is on the run, not before the events of the game. All it can tell us is that they're a bit desperate to stop Faith.
 

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XMark said:
The one part where they prove beyond a doubt that the government has sinister intentions is when they intentionally crash a train full of passengers just to try to get Faith.
It was empty.

Evonisia said:
Because you've just ignored my point...3-5 words, "They [The Government] are facist" or "They [The Government] ruined this". It's not hard, either the Writers didn't bother doing this or the Publishers were desperate enough to remove such a small amount of writing.
Wait you think the game should of flat out stated that the government was facists and that they ruined this and left it at that... that would be worse story telling then the incomplete story in the game.
 

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doomed89 said:
XMark said:
The one part where they prove beyond a doubt that the government has sinister intentions is when they intentionally crash a train full of passengers just to try to get Faith.
It was empty.

Evonisia said:
Because you've just ignored my point...3-5 words, "They [The Government] are facist" or "They [The Government] ruined this". It's not hard, either the Writers didn't bother doing this or the Publishers were desperate enough to remove such a small amount of writing.
Wait you think the game should of flat out stated that the government was facists and that they ruined this and left it at that... that would be worse story telling then the incomplete story in the game.
To say the Government are facist or have ruined the city is better than just having us fight the Government for absolutely no reason other than "they used expected force on protestors".

Saying the Government have ruined the city would give us a reason to believe that Faith is actually doing something other than something wildly open to interpretation.
 

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Evonisia said:
doomed89 said:
XMark said:
The one part where they prove beyond a doubt that the government has sinister intentions is when they intentionally crash a train full of passengers just to try to get Faith.
It was empty.

Evonisia said:
Because you've just ignored my point...3-5 words, "They [The Government] are facist" or "They [The Government] ruined this". It's not hard, either the Writers didn't bother doing this or the Publishers were desperate enough to remove such a small amount of writing.
Wait you think the game should of flat out stated that the government was facists and that they ruined this and left it at that... that would be worse story telling then the incomplete story in the game.
To say the Government are facist or have ruined the city is better than just having us fight the Government for absolutely no reason other than "they used expected force on protestors".

Saying the Government have ruined the city would give us a reason to believe that Faith is actually doing something other than something wildly open to interpretation.
So them shooting at you, killing your mother and framing your sister is no reason?
 

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I'm glad someone enjoyed it, because I absolutely hated it, and was rather upset with having wasted $5.00 on it during a steam sale.

Also, the story does not give enough evidence to actually show a malicious government, It really is all hearsay. For all I know, You're a drug runner who supplies slaves to Nazi Al' Qaeda Pedophiles.
 

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Jayemsal said:
I'm glad someone enjoyed it, because I absolutely hated it, and was rather upset with having wasted $5.00 on it during a steam sale.

Also, the story does not give enough evidence to actually show a malicious government, It really is all hearsay. For all I know, You're a drug runner who supplies slaves to Nazi Al' Qaeda Pedophiles.
Did you even get past the first mission? And there was a demo why didn't you try it you obviously just aren't a fan of the genre.
 

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doomed89 said:
Jayemsal said:
I'm glad someone enjoyed it, because I absolutely hated it, and was rather upset with having wasted $5.00 on it during a steam sale.

Also, the story does not give enough evidence to actually show a malicious government, It really is all hearsay. For all I know, You're a drug runner who supplies slaves to Nazi Al' Qaeda Pedophiles.
Did you even get past the first mission? And there was a demo why didn't you try it you obviously just aren't a fan of the genre.
Yes, I spent about 5 hours with the game, at which point I promptly dropped it forever.

Also, way to generalize, clearly I hate the entire genre (Whatever genre this is.) because I didn't like your precious game.

It might just be that the game is not the second coming of christ, and some people don't like it.
 

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Jayemsal said:
Yes, I spent about 5 hours with the game, at which point I promptly dropped it forever.

Also, way to generalize, clearly I hate the entire genre (Whatever genre this is.) because I didn't like your precious game.

It might just be that the game is not the second coming of christ, and some people don't like it.
It's a first person platformer and it's the only recent game in it's genre so yeah if you don't like it you pretty much don't like the genre lol.